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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14754900 - 07/12/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm:
The entire purpose of watercooling is to cool the components as fast as possible.
Who cares if you are exhausting heat to your room, so does air cooling.
The point is the components are being cooled super effectively and usually results in lower average temps/higher overclocking potential.
Yeah they can be a pain and you run the risk of destroying your components from a leak, but that's the risk you take. If you don't like hot air then open a window or buy an AC
As the dog would say :blewmeanie:

Protip: next time install a drain line for your cooling system, makes your life a lot easier
and there is no bug in the BIOS preventing the cpu from hitting > 1.55v, you probably just couldn't get a stable OC

5HT sweet build.. Haf X is an excellent case, sounds like you want a fan controller


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14755088 - 07/12/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think you should reread my posts, you clearly misread, like everything. for example, i mentioned a drain..... as for the bugged bios when i say its bugged thats what i mean....i never said i had "problems" hitting 1.55 i said my bios was bugged and overvolted my shit...bugged.  i had no problems hitting it i was hitting it for 3 years!


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14755170 - 07/12/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did you ever have the cpu in another MB.. perhaps a Gigabyte?


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14755250 - 07/12/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no...when i say the motherboard is bugged, thats what i mean.  evga, motherboard, bugged.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14756307 - 07/12/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Were any of the utilities you used during the OC phase reporting the voltage correctly?  Did the BIOS?  It's pretty much standard to use realtemp so you can be certain you have the right temps as you incrementally increase your bclock/voltages. 

Bloomfield processors do really well the majority of the time, even at higher temps.  When I first started fucking around with my Sabertooth I moved the CPU_OV jumper and didn't realize it automatically put it at 1.5, but I caught it the second I ran CPU-Z & HWMonitor (and AIDA64).


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14758291 - 07/12/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

eleet and the bios "tempature reading" part both showed 1.55v, when i had the bios set to "certain" voltages under 1.55v.  So for example 1.29v will acurately give a voltage of 1.29v but if i go to 1.30v poof i get 1.55v, the same is true if i went to 1.28v, poof 1.55v.  This is how i got fucked and had it running at 1.55v for 3 years, if you set your bios to a certain voltage you dam well expect it to run at that when it boots up. It shows a certain voltage on one screen in the bios, you don't expect to have to go looking at another screen to doublecheck this preschool written shit.  My memory was also overvolted a bit as well.  Microsoft says anything over 1.65 can lead to damage to the memory controller, well it was at 1.68.  Now give or take a few points for error sure but that still makes me uneasy. And who knows if its over or under especially when its a buggy bios like this.  Its a serious fuckup on evga's part.  It is a bios/hardware bug in the board no doubt about it.  And it wasn't just 1 mb, they set me a refurb and it did the same dam thing, i even have video's going from eleet, to the bios, to the voltage ect ect documenting the entire thing.

because at the time i thought i had cpu damage and i was going to make them buy me a new one over this crap.  I started getting bluescreens out of the blue no pun intended.  Which to me shows a degraded cpu, as it was one of the bluescreens related to the cpu.  So thats actually what made me switch to watercooling to prolong the life of my cpu,


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14764686 - 07/13/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well.  the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now




the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this

leak + motherboard = FRIED


I mean it's like a disaster waiting to happen. I guess it's fine until you have a loose tube, then snap crackle pop and not the candy

I have 5 fans in one of my computers, it was cheap and easy to install but probably a waste of time there is nothing heavy duty in there. the whole case stays cool though, the other computer, the dell, gets hot as shit. I'm sure there's are ways around cooling with water that work just as well


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14764697 - 07/13/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah they can be a pain and you run the risk of destroying your components from a leak, but that's the risk you take.




being the main thing I took away from that statement


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: imachavel]
    #14766413 - 07/14/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this: leak + motherboard = FRIED

What people are you talking about?  I don't know anybody that has built a water cooled computer that hasn't taken precautions to avoid frying their electronics due to leaks.  They add stabilizers to the water and use more expensive metals to mitigate galvanic corrosion, they put ties and clamps on the tubes, they test the water loops before assembling the electronics, they use expensive tubing that is chemically inert, etc.  Perhaps the layman doesn't think about water leaks with water cooling, but the layman generally isn't building (or buying) a water cooled system.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14766764 - 07/14/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is that a full size tower? I regret going with a mid-size on my recent build.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14766771 - 07/14/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I got the same problem with noise, have one 200mm fan and five 120mm fans playin crysis 2 thing fuckin gets loud but my temps are solid.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: imachavel]
    #14772070 - 07/15/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well.  the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now




the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this

leak + motherboard = FRIED


I mean it's like a disaster waiting to happen. I guess it's fine until you have a loose tube, then snap crackle pop and not the candy

I have 5 fans in one of my computers, it was cheap and easy to install but probably a waste of time there is nothing heavy duty in there. the whole case stays cool though, the other computer, the dell, gets hot as shit. I'm sure there's are ways around cooling with water that work just as well





Yea, the people that go uber crazy with OC'ing everything, putting water on all their components, and making their PC's look like works of art use water that is relatively non-conductive.  Pure water doesn't conduct electricity and additives put in the stuff is also made to prevent this.  On top of all of that, water cooling components are very good quality and people run plenty of tests to ensure there are no leaks.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14772423 - 07/15/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I started a project, but never got it out of the design phase, to make heat pipes out of common water cooling parts (minus the tubing and the water) to see how efficient I could get the cooling.  The idea was to put a radiator at the top of the case, along with copper tubing down to the water block. Finally, a refrigerant, at the proper pressure would be used for heat transfer.  In theory, I should be able to get close to 100% efficiency in the thermal transfer between the water block and the radiator.  (The refrigerant would collect and boil at the water block, evaporate, condense in the radiator, and drip back down to the water block.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14790725 - 07/19/11 04:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14790789 - 07/19/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Slightly off topic, I just wanted to share one of the cleanest, most badass water cooling builds I've seen
http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=25365





Wow!  That is sweet.  Here is his build log for the mod.  Impressive skill.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14792022 - 07/19/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just blew through an hour of my fucking free-time reading that build log.  :crankey:

It's a nice mod for sure, but it took a damn long time and with all the "shout-outs" does he get those parts for free?  The pic of the rigs he has at home are insane... especially that Mercedes one.  Over the top with the cooling!  Blocks on the RAM and using 480's in Feb/2011?  The dude is an amazing craftsman and you can tell he likes the work and the product more than anything else, but I'm just wondering what the purpose is to go completely berserk on cost with all that cooling (not to mention time) and stick older components in it?  Is quad-sli even worth it?

My favorite part of water cooling is when people use more streamlined styles.  That case is simple yet it augments the feel of the build quite a bit.  Powder coating... fucking-a the case will outlive the components by a century.  My favorite part of the log was him replacing the front of those reservoirs.  Those logos did look like shit.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14794266 - 07/19/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> does he get those parts for free?

It sounds like he does.  Once you have established a history as a top notch modder or reviewer or whatever, the manufacturers will send you free samples because you are always getting a lot of publicity in their niche market, thus it is a very cheap form of targeted advertising.

> Is quad-sli even worth it?

In almost every situation, no.  If you have money to burn, and nothing better to blow it on, and want something that looks impressive, then why not.  If you are using the cards as co-processors (for math/science), then it might be worth it.  For a high end gaming rig... overkill, and sometimes detrimental to performance.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14806741 - 07/22/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of guys build rigs like that for the E-peen/benchmark score factor, most of them running Quad SLI is usually to turn them into 24/7 folding machines.
4x480s all folding simultaneously, that's a lot of CUDA power.
Some of these crazies have multiple rigs dedicated to folding, folding 'farms' they call them.
I laugh at what their power bills are probably like. But then, they can probably afford it if they can afford that hardware.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14809591 - 07/22/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed a LOT of people on OC forums have folding sigs.  They do seem like people that have a lot of money or a lot of debt since they're buying the newest hardware the second it comes out.  :shrug:


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14809605 - 07/22/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I don't get that, shit always drops to a reasoanable price within six months to a year. I guess if I had the money I'd be running with 4 cards and what not too. PS: Just got my solid state drive in:grin:


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