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Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th)
#14738531 - 07/08/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 HAF X Tower: Awesome size and inherently comes built to do water cooling, but I can't get into that until the later Sandy's come out. It has 1 200mm fan up top as an exhaust and their is a spot for another so I am putting a 200mm fan up near the front that performs better than the one that came with the tower.
 Two of these in crossfire and sadly they both sag down. This causes you to have to lift up on the end toward the front of the tower to tighten the thumbscrews to the case(the amount of the card that hangs forward of the PCI slot is insane and the squirrel cage fan is there). So my first card gets zero air because they're literally pinched together.
 This comes with the HAF X as well so I'm going to use it to spread the cards so air can reach the primary GPU, and this does a nice job of keeping the PCI slot from being under a heavy load.
 After the bracket has the cards secure, and gives them some space for air to travel, I'll be equipping the GPU Duct/Fan.
 The Scythe Ultra Kaze (3000rpm // 133.6 cfm // loud as fuck) is what will be in the duct blasting away at my 6970's and this also fixes two problems because the brick-sized cards cover my northbridge heatsink and the duct is designed to push the air at about a 45 degree angle out of the duct and not straight. Either way 133.6 cfm where I never had them before is going to be awesome.
 Here's the 200mm that will fit nicely up top until I get a large radiator next upgrade. It's lame because you can't turn off the LED, when the red 220 (or something) fan on the front of the case has this functionality. So it'll give another ~120 cfm of exhaust from the top, and I love that idea because it's less messy with dust. A lot of people go nuts with positive pressure but I'm not one of them.
I have a 200mm fan that has a shroud on the side cover so it moves air in a certain direction. Originally the fan would push air towards the front of the video cards (or if the cards aren't small a large area of the motherboard), but it pushes right into the intake air from the front fan. Since my cards don't have access to that air I turned the shroud so it blows air toward the rear of the GPU's and the exhaust fan in the back (*** Seems dumbs but I'm not finished!***)
Anyways, I have zero time so I'm going to stay up late as fuck and get these things installed, well clean first, then install. After that I'm upgrading from a shitty Xigmatek Dark Knight heatsink/fan to the new Corsair H80. It's hot as fuck in my new house and I hated having the PC in the basement since I like watching iTunes from it and not my laptop. Going to use Noctua TIM on my i7-950. Here's to hoping my 3.8 OC will be manageable again... I almost ordered a couple more of those Scythe fans since gentle typhoons are nowhere, but these seem pretty good lookin at them. Updates soon!
Update: Installed the H80, GPU bracket, GPU duct with Scythe Ultra Kaze, and have been running prime95(64-bit) with large FFT for 1.5 hours at stock settings and my temps are only 57 oC. Not the greatest but much better than my prior heatsink/fan. The instructions sucked major ass and were only pictures, my prior heatsinks used different attachment methods and because this particular model is also compatible with socket 2011 there are two different sized screws that go into the motherboard. Neither are labeled and they look very similar in the instructions so I fucked up the TIM that was already on the block. I had to use the Noctua shit I bought, and was uncertain of the viscosity so I put a small drop on and moved the block as much as I could but you can't move it really and there were areas with no TIM between the block/cpu. There was a nice amount and total coverage after placing very small dots of the TIM in the shape of a 5 sided die.
I completely underestimated the fucking noise of these fans. My computer sounds like a damn air conditioner or some shit. Also, without the Corsair Link unit (which isn't available yet) you have to open the case to press a button to adjust the fan control... annoying. My radiator had two bent fins as well, but it wasn't major and I straightened them out.






It was mega late when I finished so I didn't fuck with cable management. I also didn't have any molex connections available for the pump in the block, so that was a PITA. Overall, I'm very happy so far but I'll have to see what happens with the OC.
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Edited by 5HTSynaptrip (07/09/11 01:36 PM)
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#14739526 - 07/09/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the bad thing nobody talks about with watercooling is that it basically doubles the heat that comes from your computer, and i myself hate heat except in the wintertime its nice to turn it into a free heater. anyways nice build, if you ever need fans again you should check out yate loons, i got about 4 of them for about 8 bucks and they work great with a solid casing, only downside to them was no grill but i built them myself out of nylon screen.
oh and while your in there you might as well repaste your northbridge, i always end up with extra paste that never gets used anyway
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14739551 - 07/09/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: the bad thing nobody talks about with watercooling is that it basically doubles the heat that comes from your computer
How is that? I don't see how the water cooling system itself dissipates another 350-500W on top of that the machine itself.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
#14739558 - 07/09/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well. the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14739673 - 07/09/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The heat will dissipate from the case anyway. Otherwise the case would keep heating up until it reaches the temperature of the core of the sun I guess the difference is that a water cooling system dumps the heat in a more specific location, which makes it seem like the machine produces more heat. In reality, this is not the case.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
#14741048 - 07/09/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Install pics added to the first post. I didn't follow the directions by putting the fans so they'd blow air in the case because I have more exhaust than intake, and many HAF X owners find this works well for them. It's a pain in the ass fucking with this shit so if I get it back to 3.8 and temps are significantly better than before I'll be happy.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
#14742212 - 07/09/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: The heat will dissipate from the case anyway. Otherwise the case would keep heating up until it reaches the temperature of the core of the sun I guess the difference is that a water cooling system dumps the heat in a more specific location, which makes it seem like the machine produces more heat. In reality, this is not the case.
not true entirely, the reason people use watercooling is because it "lowers" tempature, that means its removing more heat from the cpu, gpu, ect. This heat travels directly from the cpu, to water, to a radiator, which means the case itself is removed from the picture. As we all know cases tend to "hold" tempature in, as well as the case itself absorbing some of the heat. in essence, watercooling is kind of like a boiler system.
I went from air, to water cooling, and in doing so i went from a computer, to a space heater. I can feel the difference ever single day the second i walk into my room. There is a difference between air and water, and water does increase the heat that enters my room, and results in my room being hot enough not only for me to notice, but to also be bothered.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14744649 - 07/10/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think you notice the heat more from water if your tower doesn't have ample space/airflow. Like I said in my previous post, the instructions for the fan direction for the H80 (and all HX series) is to have them pull air in from outside. Since I have almost 300cfm of exhaust the heat is spread out quite a bit, but it's still heat(energy) so it doesn't just disappear.
My living room is a bit crowded from my huge ass sectional couch, coffee table, entertainment stand, and computer desk (it got old using HDMI from my laptop for iTunes and with a 9 month old I need the PC in the room she's in when doing homework). Since bringing the PC upstairs it is a fucking horrible space heater. In our old house I had it in our bedroom and we'd have to open the window in winter.
Anyways, water just has a higher heat capacity so it can cool more effectively than air blowing all over the place. So all it does is lower temperatures at whatever area you have a block applied. It may feel like more heat is being removed in the short-term, but after you turn the PC off the heat in the case/components dissipates to the surroundings so the total heat energy still moves into the system around it. If you had a cooling mechanism that didn't do its job, then the component would get really hot (possibly fail) and shutdown so the heat would again dissipate slowly and you wouldn't realize it as easily.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#14747144 - 07/10/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nobodys saying the heat just magically disappears, you have lots of metal that absorbs the heat, basically your case is one big heatsink. Its kind of like, why do people put insulation in a house? it holds cold in during the summer and heat in during the winter. Does the cold or heat just magically disappear no, it slowly exits, "slowly". Water cooling, takes the heat, fast, to a radiator, thats designed, to fastly get rid of it.
lastly, lets say your running a stock heatsink on your cpu, your prolly going to be running around 50C or more, now lets say when you throw watercooling on it drops it to 23C, that means your removing an extra 27C from the cpu at all times, thats going directly to a radiator, directly into your air, fast. On your stock heatsink, that extra 27C is sitting on your cpu doing nothing, and your motherboard monitor that says 50C proves it. Sure your cpu is only going to be able to put out a certain amount of heat i get that, but watercooling is going to capture alot more of it, and take it alot faster, to your air, because thats what its designed to do, thats why people pay big bucks for it.
So in short, air is going to remove heat from the cpu down to 50C in this example, thats what is getting removed, and its a constint, water brings you down to 23C, thats removing more heat right? i mean you tell me where is that 27C going? Where's it at with the computer on air? And now down to my "main point" is your room going to be hotter on water? Yes. so why this long drawn out discussion, ill never know.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14751488 - 07/11/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where is that 27C going? It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high. It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air.
It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either. The key is your question of where is the 27C going. Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14751636 - 07/11/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: oh and while your in there you might as well repaste your northbridge, i always end up with extra paste that never gets used anyway
Are you talking about putting the silicone heatsink glue along the north bridge? Never thought of that before.
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
#14751729 - 07/11/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No not glue, just thermal paste
i use arctic silver ceramique
and to the people arguing that liquid cooling can make your room hotter...
no it cant
the only extra heat will be 20 or 30w worth from the pump
the case may "hold in heat" but eventually its gonna get out
water cooling just gets it out faster
and if your that concerned with the temp of your room run the radiator out your window then theres no heat in the room from the PC
If u need any help with watercooling or PC cooling in general hit me up, ive built at least 50 bad ass all custom water cooled and phase change cooled PCs
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: NobodyImportant]
#14751759 - 07/11/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yah it's the same thing I mean, it goes between heatsink/processor.
Compound, glue, paste, adhesive, whatever :P
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#14753067 - 07/11/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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5HTSynaptrip said: Where is that 27C going? It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high. It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air.
It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either. The key is your question of where is the 27C going. Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.
it keeps it from going that high because,its removing it. its removing it to,your room. now your trying to tell me it magically disappears. That heat is going to your room instead of sitting in the case/on the cpu. Air removes less, to your room. Your right it is pretty simple. Oh and i don't have to google anything because im sitting here with watercooling right infront of my face.
let me ask you something, why do you have so many fans in your case?
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14753577 - 07/11/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess some of the 2011 have the northbridge on the cpu now  Quote:
makaveli8x8 said:
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5HTSynaptrip said: Where is that 27C going? It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high. It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air.
It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either. The key is your question of where is the 27C going. Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.
it keeps it from going that high because,its removing it. its removing it to,your room. now your trying to tell me it magically disappears. That heat is going to your room instead of sitting in the case/on the cpu. Air removes less, to your room. Your right it is pretty simple. Oh and i don't have to google anything because im sitting here with watercooling right infront of my face.
let me ask you something, why do you have so many fans in your case?
Pics!
I want to build a water-cooled system, but haven't had a chance to yet!
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
#14754119 - 07/11/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yah it was a fun project but i dread the day i have to change the water, i should have had a drain tube put in there but i wanted to save money and now i pay. cutting the tubes kind of sucked to, i thought an razorblade would do the trick but i had to keep shaving the end to get it straight. and this case was made for watercooling but it turned out to be a bitch finding a place for that pump, i just barely got it to fit where its at
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14754206 - 07/11/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is pretty sweet too!
What is the processor speed and what is it over-clocked to?
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
#14754249 - 07/11/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although yes some of the heat is contained in the actual heatsink and copper CPU shell the CPU is producing large amounts of heat and the actual amount of heat that the CPU and other componets produce is equal the amount of heat that leaves the case, minus the initial start up when the heatsink is cold
water cooling adds no more heat to the room than standard cooling
heres one i made a few years back
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
#14754315 - 07/11/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: That is pretty sweet too!
What is the processor speed and what is it over-clocked to?
its a 920 I7, stock is 2.66 and its running at 3.6
evga and there shitty motherboard had a glitch in the bios that resulted in the cpu running at 1.55 volts for its first 2-3 years of life so i think that fucked with my overclocking potential.
and for the people still saying watercooling doesn't make the room hotter i again ask where is the 27C going? and why does your computer case have fans?
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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14754701 - 07/12/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the heat is leaving the case
and watercooling may heat up the room a little quicker from the time you turn the PC on but for the PC to continuously pick up heat that wasnt released it would eventually get to rediculous temperatres, it would have to be heavily insulated any normal air cooling will get rid of 100% of the heat produced by the PC not including the little bit of heat that stays compared to when you boot it when its cold.
really high right now so idk of that makes complete sense but its simple thermodynaics
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