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mafiaconfidant
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Green mold possibly on BRF Cake
#14735723 - 07/08/11 11:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone,
So I have a few cakes sitting in my SGFC, and all are fruiting nicely. One however (the one with the most mushies unfortunately) developed a large green spot after I birthed it by dunking and rolling. I cut this spot off and continued with my business, watching that cake carefully. Now, where I cut off the previous green spot, there is now more green. This time, though, it is darker green and a little slimey to the touch.
I've taken a picture, but since all I have is my god-awful webcam, the quality is horrendous and you can't even see the green spot. I will post the picture still though, although I doubt it will be of much use. In the picture, the green spot is in the lower left hand corner, where you may be able to see the part that I've already cut out.

I don't know if this is a contaminant like green mold or if its some gnarly bruising from me cutting off the other green part before. If it is green mold, is there anything I can do to save the cake, or should I just pick my fruits asap and toss the cake?
Thanks in advance, all advice appreciated.
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jamisoncrzy
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Cant really tell from your pic. Can you upload another one?
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: jamisoncrzy]
#14736610 - 07/08/11 02:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am 90% that is mold. No matter what pull it out ASAP! If you want to try and salvage it you can make a crappy single fruiting chamber for it out of a small plastic container or even a 2 L bottle if you need to. Just get it away from everything else.
You have a couple options though:
Harvest the mushrooms now and put itno sep fruiting chamber (safest)
Let the mushrooms grow and see what happens (least safe since they could get contams on them)
Cut out the moldy section and let the mushrooms mature another day or two (fairly safe but after you harvest you have to toss it, it will contam before it flushes again with a chunk cut out)
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Contaminated substrate is thrown out. Beware though as the cakes tend to "blue" later on in the fruiting process and this can be mistaken for green. However this I do not know in your case.
Contaminations are dealt with swiftly and correctly by tossing such cakes, before risking contaminating ones grow area further.
Moving around cakes or substrate with contaminations will spread spores further and you will have more problems later.
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EntheogenicPeace said: Hard to tell from pic (as you acknowledge), but if it's slimy & green, then it should go. One contaminated cake (amid several other healthy ones) is futile to try to get any further yields out of. Plus, it looks like you about ready to harvest... in which case do so & then get rid of it.
If it still has a day or two to go b4 the veils tear, though, you could (carefully & in a separate area) cut out the contaminated part if only on the surface & not throughout. Drop that part into 70% iso. alc. or a dilute ammonia solution right away to prevent unnecessary spreading of spores. Sprinkle a little baking soda & then some verm (leave it dry here) over the cut-out spot. Keep the cake in a mini FC (away from your main growing area as a precaution) for the day or two until ready to harvest, & then toss once the fruits are removed.
Or just throw the cake out instead of being an idiot nad fruiting contaminated substrate. There is no reason for this; I have yet to hear a good and experienced grower risking contamination for 2-3 shitty shrooms. Well except for you just now.
Smushroom; youd be more than dumb to second bullshit; there is simply no gaining in fucking around with contaminations. Dont.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: kdmmontana]
#14736819 - 07/08/11 03:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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k00laid
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if you want to choose option 2 and ejaculate trichoderma spores in massive quantities all over your home, making future cultivation endeavors infinitely harder, for 1/4 a pound of dried fruits.
doesnt seem worth it to me.
but there are people on here who drag out their coir substrates to like 4+ flushes.
it baffles me.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14736878 - 07/08/11 03:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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k00laid
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cutting out the green from a substrate is not the same as removing all the trichoderma from the substrate.
the green is just the spores, there is trich FEASTING upon your mycelium no matter how much green you remove.
it will be back, and bigger.
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ISOfantastic
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EntheogenicPeace said: battle soda


Honestly tho, I toss my contams. Green, red, slimy, smelly, they go to compost. Trichoderma mycelium is white like cube myc. Impossible to tell without a very experienced eye unless its on a big sub...sometimes not even then. Koolaid is right IMO.
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k00laid
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: ISOfantastic]
#14736915 - 07/08/11 03:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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its just about preferences i guess.
people will cut their substrate up to remove trich no matter what i say.
i just dont see the point.
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Smushroom
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14736952 - 07/08/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are MILLIONS of mold spores in your house no matter how clean you are. I can have 10 loaves of moldy bread in my kitchen and as long as I follow basic sanitation steps and keep my grow well sealed I can still avoid contamination.
Personally I'd harvest the mushrooms on there right now and toss the cake. I gave him the options and told him the risk.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: Smushroom]
#14736970 - 07/08/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Smushroom said: There are MILLIONS of mold spores in your house no matter how clean you are. I can have 10 loaves of moldy bread in my kitchen and as long as I follow basic sanitation steps and keep my grow well sealed I can still avoid contamination.
 Although fully colonized subs and cakes are resistant enough to contam for open air.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14736975 - 07/08/11 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14737035 - 07/08/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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k00laid said: its just about preferences i guess.
people will cut their substrate up to remove trich no matter what i say.
i just dont see the point.
Agreed.
Fucking around with infected substrate is far away from standard procedure. Thats enough reason to toss them. This is not a rule of ones personal preference; this is standard procedure. Contaminated substrate is tossed to avoid further contaminations and simply because its disgusting as well.
Ive said what needs to be said, I could sit here and drag and drop stupid quotes from all over, lets just say its not needed.
What I dont fucking like is supposedly experienced growers sitting here and advicing new growers how to go off protocol; our mission here is to guide people into proper routine; not lead them away from it.
Thus people who mentions cutting, soiling, fruiting contaminated substrate, soil and cakes or any combination thereof (and any varations) are wrong. This ridicolous crap starts to piss me off for real.
There are simple, proper and proven guidelines for dealing with contaminated substrate, how to follow sterile tech. and so on and so on and new growers will suffer greatly reading such crap as being presented here by several people.
Contaminated cakes, substrates and alike are tossed. End of fucking fairy tale. 
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kdmmontana


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cutting out the green from a substrate is not the same as removing all the trichoderma from the substrate.
the green is just the spores, there is trich FEASTING upon your mycelium no matter how much green you remove.
it will be back, and bigger.
Ok, yeah, I see what your saying bc I've certainly experienced that b4 when trying to prolong the life of coir-based bulk subs for an additional flush (which I no longer do)... the different shade of white along with the (cubes) mycelia in addition to the various green hues.
However, from my experience when dealing with a little patch on the surface somewhere at a relatively early stage (prior to 1st flush), that inevitable & pervasive overtaking that occurs in this coir-based material does happen any faster relative to a substrate not experiencing that little "attack" upfront (which I repel with battle soda), & certainly not b4 getting at least 1 if not 2 flushes.
That being said, if you had numerous bulk substrates & were running a commercial farm (regardless of species), I don't doubt that the people would not use the minority of afflicted ones... but in the example I gave of only two bulk substrates, then I'm gonna do it bc the difference between 1/4 lb. & 1/2 lb. is important to me.
This has nothing to do with your personal experience in the matter; new growers should learn from the bottom and thus using your methods will teach them mushroom growing; the wrong way from the start.
You will duly note that the reason I am slashing you sideways with my hanzo sword is not because I care about your methods or that I give crap about your contaminated substrates; its because you tell new growers bad things about how to learn this from the grounds.
Your rating and my cursing here does not reflect your personal advances; they reflect a certain standpoint many shroomery members have and that is to not teach new growers anything else than practical, proven and sound guidelines for the beginning stages of growing mushrooms.
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k00laid
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: kdmmontana]
#14737067 - 07/08/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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it was RR who said that the species cubensis develops amazingly bad habits among cultivators, because they will grow in the WORST of conditions.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14737121 - 07/08/11 04:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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k00laid said: it was RR who said that the species cubensis develops amazingly bad habits among cultivators, because they will grow in the WORST of conditions.
Depends; IMO a lot of cultivators are looking for fast yields for a certain reason. A lot of them also seem to suffer from an acute shortage of money, time and patience. I went into this with amazingly high expectations and demands and Ive spent 90 % of my time studying the process along the way.
I find myself staring at jars, photographing and duly noting everything. Its just my way and I decided later to create a small heritage which all people interested in mushroom growing can enjoy. That and becoming a damn fine grower.
Stress and short-cuts are as someone said; not meant for this hobby at all. Ive had the luck of not getting stuck and the knowledge that I can start over anywhere, with nothing but supplies worth 50$ and my two hands with a backbone full of experience makes me sleep good at night.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: kdmmontana]
#14737345 - 07/08/11 05:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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k00laid
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ive pushed a salt paste down into a trich spot before, it slowed it down a little bit. i guess.
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14737403 - 07/08/11 05:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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kdmmontana


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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: k00laid]
#14739402 - 07/09/11 02:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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The point here is what other people read. They should read; "toss it", and here they read "no its no biggie, just cut it I guess" which is wrong.
In whatever case, advanced microbiology, experimental practice and alike is far above paygrade for new growers, so I still hold my ground. Contaminated substrate (for which I will let you continue the discussion about) is tossed. End of story. If one suffers from such issues; then failure is at best the decription anyway. There is no saving a contaminated project and the aim is still to reach bullseye; no contamination and thats not done with the "cutting method" at all.
I know a lot of people see weight of yield or any fruits at all as a success; I think in reverse; a healthy and nice substrate is a first sign of success:)
New growers should learn that and wait for a long time before practicing experimental techniques. Thats what I think.
Im glad to see a nice discussion though:)
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: kdmmontana]
#14740660 - 07/09/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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kdmmontana


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The point here is what other people read. They should read; "toss it", and here they read "no its no biggie, just cut it I guess" which is wrong.
I pretty much did say your first quote (see in the original reply), & I certainly didn't say your second one. But again, I concede that for someone who is just starting out & doesn't have a lot of experience in this hobby, my answer may have been inappropriate.
P.S. On a lighter note, here is a thread about using homemade electrodes & UV lamps to try & kill Trich w/o seriously harming the mushroom mycelia. I think II'll just link this next time I see an unanswered question about contamination.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-magic-mushrooms/73539-killing-trichoderma-electrolisis-short-journal-plus-homemade-device.html
The only thing I want to avoid is a petty argument over contamination getting out of hand; unclear topics such as this one about substrates tend to spread and pop up all over later. I do believe its much possible to save a project in the ways you describe, but for the general grower; this is not an option. For the new grower; certainly not.
My tone and fiery temper comes from the fact that we see tons of new growers coming in with an array of questions; setups that are less than adequate or too expensive. The latter tend to suffer from bad information or simply cannot hold it together. I support newer growers in their attempts with the PF TEK; while many of them get bombarded with a shitload of misinformation; cool "TEKS" etc etc which only furthers the confusion. This is no ones particular fault. It just happens.
I have been here for about 6 months and I have sat and read and read and studied and in the end I got beaten up for being an asshole here the first month; thus I said: Kung FU it shall be; I will be proper so the reason that I am so hard-ball on some issues is because I almost got thrown out in the beginning. I decided to shape up considerably and try to help new growers, while I came back to finish up a project spanning over the last 8 months.
THanks for a nice reply anyways:)
As for UV lamps and electrodes; *sigh* okay Ill read the damn thing:P
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Re: Green mold possibly on BRF Cake [Re: kdmmontana]
#14741890 - 07/09/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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mafiaconfidant
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Alright, well I harvested the fruits off that cake, and I've tossed it. The green spot didn't seem to get any bigger since when I made this thread, but I figured it still wasn't worth the risk, and seeing as this would be the second time on the "cut it and hope for the best" method, I chose to just forgo all that and toss the cake. All other cakes appear healthy at this time.
Thank you all for the advice.
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