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Anonymous #1
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Who wore a wire?
#14733009 - 07/07/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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(I replaced the names with fake names to clear up redundancy of "friend" and "friend of a friend")
So, yesterday I get a call from Bob who said that he got a call from John saying its been going around that Bob wore a wire on Sam. Sam got busted and went to his lawyer to get his "discovery package" as they call it with all the evidence against him.
I was completely amazed that this information came to light as Bob has ever been caught for anything drug related and the only reason Bob has to snitch is that Sam and him had a falling out, and he has a couple kids and lives just above the poverty line.
I don't know who to believe in this situation. I went over to Bob's to confront him directly about the accusations. Sam is laying low, he shut of his phone and is living in another location until his trial so at the moment I can't find it out from the horse's mouth. But I have second hand information from other friends that Sam has indeed implicated Bob as the snitch based on the wire taping audio transmissions.
Anyways, so I go to Bob's to see what he has to say. He denied all involvement with working with the police and he seemed convincing. Threatening violence and wanting to speak with Sam. I've known both of them all my life and he never was the person who would do something like this. As in rat someone out. He himself did not get busted for anything. But in this day and age you can volunteer out of the blue to rat someone out. I don't know who to believe.
One of the things that made me believe Bob was telling the truth was that he was saying things like. "Why would I do that when I myself was selling him percs every once in a while while this was going on?" They had a falling out, but would sell each other small amounts of drugs. He gave convincing arguments that he didn't snitch at all. And I never read in the newspaper that he got busted or heard anything. His wife was equally as flabbergasted about the information.
Even before this Sam told me directly that he thinks it was a younger female who got busted herself that ratted him out.
But this is what doesn't add up. Why would Sam say it was Bob when it really wasn't? Why would he put that over his head for the world not to trust Bob?
I was talking to my friend and he said when you go over the discovery package, you only listen to audio tapes and video tapes, you never have in writing who is the snitch. Is that true? Could it be that it is another male figure? We all know cops lie to get their man. Could they have consoled with Bob that no one would ever find out that he snitched just to get him to go along with it? And if he does go to trial wouldn't Bob be summoned to take the stand? Could this convincing show of rage not be directed towards the accusations but at the fact that the police lied and he is pissed that Sam has found out due to Sam fighting the charges and finding out who ratted him out.
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Anonymous #2
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I'm pretty sure confidential informants will stay confidential. I'm not sure whether you get to hear the recording or not, but I would believe so.
How do you know Bob hasn't gotten in any trouble? Usually, when somebody is set up to be a CI, they don't appear on any state court websites until a long time after. If you've really known this guy your whole life, and are friends with both of them, your best judgement is all you can rely on at this point. Doesn't sound like your buddy snitched though. I've "fallen out" with plenty of my friends, who deal, and that's just that. I've thought about ratting them out, but even former friends deserve better than that.
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The Influence
Free Sheeks



Registered: 03/30/11
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A discovery is a compilation of all the evidence against said person....meaning most of it is paper, if indeed a wire was worn the attorny could request a copy of it, but if Sam said it was only recordings then he is full of shit......I have been incarcerated multiple times and even sent to prison for selling narcotics to an under cover officer, and every case I ever had my discovery was mainly a thick manila envelope full of transcripts, police reports etc. anonymous#2 was correct about a CI, as they are given a number to reference them in the discovery, although the defendents attorny if the case goes to trial can request the CI to be brought forth to question their reliability. So it sounds like "sam" wants to drag "bobs" good name through the mud?
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Anonymous #1
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Anon#2 - I don't know for certain he didn't get caught doing anything. My best judgment at the moment is cloudy. He may very well be a scape goat, but why would Sam make this shit up? This is what I don't understand. I didn't mention this in the original post but, Sam was the kind of dealer who would only sell a minimum amount of a quarter ounce. One night Bob called him for a joint to two to get high for the night which Sam refused to do. They got into an argument and this is ground zero for the falling out. Stupid, I know.
Even though they would interact a few times before him getting busted. Possible motive to work for the cops? I don't know.
The Influence -- Interesting that you mention that. I contacted a friend of a friend who caught busted dealing drugs, and asked him about the contents of the "discovery package". He said pretty much the same thing you did. So now I want to get a hold of "Sam" and ask him if he has in writing that our mutual friend is 100 percent confirmed the snitch.
He was active on Facebook 9 hours ago. I sent him a message requesting he contact me about the confirmation on the informant. Which is probably in his best interest not to do, but if he is in fact running his name through the mud that is really shitty and needs cleared up before the situation escalates. If Sam ignores my questions or dodges the question, that is reasonable suspicion to doubt his claim.
Even if our friend was the snitch. He probably wouldn't admit it to me. Another twist into the actions of Bob. Sam has a new phone number and Bob doesn't have the number. Even though it is off at the moment he never requested the number, and only lives a few blocks away and not once since being accused did he go to his house to see if he was there to talk to him.
Liars tend to go on the defensive, people who are innocent tend to go on the offensive. If you were wrongly accused, wouldn't you want to see the person who said these things face to face?
Edited by Anonymous (07/07/11 10:55 PM)
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Anonymous #2
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I mean. It is extremely illegal to intimidate a witness. There are good reasons that somebody is staying from somebody else. I would steer clear of the whole situation if I were you. Wait to be contacted, otherwise you might get tangled in a sticky web.
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Anonymous #1
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Very true.
Just got the message back on Facebook from the guy who's facing time. The other guy's name was all over the CI report and he did indeed rat him out. Wow, what a sneaky little bastard.
It all makes sense now. His actions and mannerisms when I talked to him. Also, his girl saying when I was at their house, "you should leave if you are going to accuse people". When I wasn't even saying he did it, I was just relaying what I was told from someone else. She wanted me to leave because I was asking questions and poking around. Classic lying scenario.
I wonder why the fuck he would rat him out like that!?!?!?!?!? Money, revenge or time off, I do not know. I'll probably never know but yeah the guy did rat him out. The dumb fuck probably trusted the cops when they said no one would find out. I'm such a moron for beliving that Sam just throw his name up out of the blue. LOL
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The Influence
Free Sheeks



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Snitching is a sad fact of life, the time I was sentenced to state prison for 4 years of confinment followed by four years of extendend supervision for selling 12 vicodin and one ounce of weed and was a party to the crime of the sale of cocaine, the CI was wanted for 3 counts of second degree sexual assult of a child, and they gave a deal to this guy to set people up, granted I had quite an exstensive criminal record but four years???? This guy got 1 year in county jail and five years probation for sexual assulting little kids. I got lucky being young (22 at the time) and first time trip to the joint was allowed to do "Bootcamp" and only did a year and half, funny thing is a co-defendent who is also my best friend got out of prison a couple months after I did (this was three years ago) and as I was sitting in the cab of his truck while he was pumping gas, I hear the pump stop as the tank was full and turn to look for him and he is about 30 yards back in the parking lot piss pounding this child molesting snitch fuck, and of course I might of slipped and stepped on his face a couple times while trying to restrain my friend, who was later arrested and reincarcerated for two years, but you know what he took his bid and kept his mouth shut never once mentionted me slipping on the guys face.....kind of a long personal story, but a true one (have no reason to make this all up) but I guess the moral here is keep your circle tight, keep that snitch fuck out of your life or it will come back and bite you.
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Vitalux
Stranger from the next universe



Registered: 02/15/11
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
I don't know who to believe in this situation.
From my experience, give Bob the benefit of the doubt. 
Time has a way of making everything come out in the wash.
All infighting and internal suspicion causes is a witch hunt. Experience has taught me, when someone is on a witch hunt, a lot of innocent people get burned.  Life-long friendships are lost. 
Just tell Sam to laugh it off, the system, the police, the courts, are just trying to scam money out of him. Its is a system that plays people against each other, divides fools and wins.
So worse cases scenario, Sam gets to go to jail, eat good, and jerk off all day watching television while the rest of the slaves outside of the gates have to work .
Its all just mindset
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vandago



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Re: Who wore a wire? [Re: Vitalux]
#14744647 - 07/10/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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eat good, and jerk off all day watching television while the rest of the slaves outside of the gates have to work .
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