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Offlinemyc0nob
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Cubes, temp and watering verm
    #14730261 - 07/07/11 09:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I know this is a question that's been asked a lot, but I can't seem to find any short answer (if it's there and I overlooked it, it's okay to kick me a bit, as long as you link me to the text :wink:)

Anyway, it's summer and it's HOT! It's typical for the temp inside the terraium to be about 86, to lower it, I'll have to build something like a chiller with a peltier element and water pump and stuff, which I'd love to avoid (obviously), last night was colder, maybe 77 and over the night many of my pins said SHROOM (the sound a mushroom cap makes when it grows fast past you lol).. Could that be because of the lower temp?
I'm also doing something a bit unorthodox (maybe??):
I've placed my cake on a moist layer of verm, and I notice this really heavy myc growth into it, like, thick nice threads of myc poking through and everything, so I figured.. My babes likes water..
So I'm "watering" this verm with 10 to 20 CC's of preboiled water once a day (I have a corner of the tray with no verm so I can see if I'm watering it to the point there it's forming a pool)..

I'm wondering.. Is it the lower temp or the watering that made my pins explode over night? Is it okay to water the verm so it remains at about FC (any water that flows into the spot with no verm would suggest that it's too much), your thoughts on watering verm and temps thank you :smile:

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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: myc0nob]
    #14730674 - 07/07/11 11:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms actually do there best growing at night time - its part of their day night cycle. Maybe others have some links on this. :sun:

The wet verm shouldnt be a problem as long as it doesnt start pooling..:shrug:

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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: deadmandave]
    #14730753 - 07/07/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Aaah, I wonder how I didn't notice that before ^__^ Thanks :smile:

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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: myc0nob]
    #14731145 - 07/07/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Also, the myc is going rhizomorph on the verm b/c of the lack of nutes. It has just enough to sustain on the verm with the intial moisture but the lack of complex nutrients causes the myc to go into hyperdrive in search of nutrients, thus causing the rhizomorphic growth on the verm.

Also, a chiller would GREATLY benefit your situation. I notice substantial performance increases even from dropping my grow room from 76 F to 70 F. Oscillating fans are also beneficial as they help to keep the air moving which translates into generally fresher air for the litl' uns.


Alot of people (including myself), at one point in time, have been guilty of putting so much focus on substrate ingredients that they forget about environmental factors. IMO, environment trumps substrate composition.


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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: wally_world]
    #14732216 - 07/07/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

RR has been stating that temps up to 90F for fruiting are absolutely fine for cubes and actually give you faster growing fruits.

RR Quote

"Many growers in areas without air conditioning including my own, have found that cubes will fruit just fine in 90+ degree temperatures. In fact, you can fruit in temperatures that would turn a colonizing substrate into a bacterial blob. I strongly disagree that a temperature drop is required for fruiting. 75f may help to get those massive pinsets that cover every square inch of the casing surface, but at 90f you'll get plenty of fruits and the ones you do get will grow much larger. I doubt total yield is affected at all, so don't sweat it, you'll be fine.
RR "

WW, what performance increases exactly are you referring to?

Thread that I read the above info..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5673889#5673889

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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: SpookerShroom]
    #14732414 - 07/07/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Very nice, good info Spooker.

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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: deadmandave]
    #14733659 - 07/07/11 09:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Better pinsets, larger and thicker mushrooms, and more dry weight.

Yes, I realize that cubensis refers to being from Cuba and that it gets well above 90 degrees there.

However, that is in the wild. We are not growing in the wild, which changes a few major principles.

Having temperatures that high in a controlled environment is begging for contamination. In their natural habitat, there is a plethora of competitor microbes to keep the bad microbes (cobweb, trich, bacillus) in check.

This is not to mention the state of air exchange the mushrooms receive in the wild could never be replicated, among other things.

And, b/c we are growing these mushrooms outside of their natural habitat, the best thing we can do is provide OPTIMAL conditions. And we are able to do that b/c we are growing in a controlled environment so it's best to take advantage of that.


"I strongly disagree that a temperature drop is required for fruiting. 75f may help to get those massive pinsets that cover every square inch of the casing surface, but at 90f you'll get plenty of fruits and the ones you do get will grow much larger. I doubt total yield is affected at all, so don't sweat it, you'll be fine."
-RR

I think you misunderstood RR there. I never stated that a temperature drop was necessary to fruit cubes, and he confirms what I was saying in the first place in this quote you referenced.

Also, keep in mind that (depeneding on how big/thick your substrate is) the actual temp of your substrate will be 5-8F HIGHER than what your thermometer is reading. Personally, I grow in bags that can prove to have a thick block of substrate in them so I keep my room at 70. Someone growing some thin trays could possibly get away with 72-74F avg temp.

However, I do disagree with RR that total yield is unaffected as I have seen otherwise from personal experience. The correct temp and proper FAE is crucial to getting the most of your substrate.


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Re: Cubes, temp and watering verm [Re: wally_world]
    #14735198 - 07/08/11 07:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the replies, and thank you for the link Spooker, I've read it through, seems there is no real consensus on the subject of high fruiting temps, but I can see that my own yield are fairly less than what I've seen other newbs do, I think I'll try to experiment with lower temps :smile:

As far as FAE goes, since I've built a poor mans pod, the RH is 100% and myc no longer grows outside the stems of shrooms :smile:

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