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undermyknife
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MAOI
#14715406 - 07/04/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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do any of you use them with your mush and if so how much of what and when ? i know a good example is passionflower which i am interested in, have anyone here used passion flower? thanks^_^
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HarryL
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Don't do polls and Never ventured into passion flowers... Think some folks use Syrian rue, b caapi
Use the Search the Forum at the bottom of the forum, will find plenty of threads
Think the question is Why? Mushroom trip not intense enough or just interested?
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undermyknife
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Re: MAOI [Re: HarryL]
#14715517 - 07/04/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bored=random poll
and yes just interested is all, and ive heard they help give a kick to mush when they been kept to long
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Dawks
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Shrooms + MAOI is commonly referred to as Psilohuasca. Never done it personally but I've heard it's extremely intense, maybe because shrooms contain a small amounts of DMT? (as well the MAOI potentiating the psilocin of course)
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Moo456
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I have done it many times and highly recommend it. 2.5g of syrian rue is good for this. It makes it about 2x a strong and makes it more ayahuasca like.
I only recommend it if you're willing to stay away from MAOI restricted foods for 12 hours though.
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Cesar
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Re: MAOI [Re: Dawks]
#14717380 - 07/04/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dawks said: maybe because shrooms contain a small amounts of DMT?
Not exactly. the chemical structure of Psilocybin/psilocin are similar to DMT so a portion of it is destroyed by the MAO's in the stomach, so taking an MAO inhibitor allows you to absorb the full load. Depending on individual biochemistry it can double or even square your dose, so for example if you take 2g it will feel like 6g, take 3g you'll feel 9g and so on.
OP make sure to start with a small dose, not only because they potentiate the trip but also MAOI's can be slightly psychedelic on their own (depending on how much you take).
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MoxyOx
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Re: MAOI [Re: Cesar]
#14718335 - 07/04/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Syrian rue is a nice booster. It's somewhat unexpected and strange in its effects though, so do take care with it.
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Dawks
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Re: MAOI [Re: Cesar]
#14718374 - 07/04/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cesar said:
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Dawks said: maybe because shrooms contain a small amounts of DMT?
Not exactly. the chemical structure of Psilocybin/psilocin are similar to DMT so a portion of it is destroyed by the MAO's in the stomach, so taking an MAO inhibitor allows you to absorb the full load.
MAO doesn't just occur in the stomach, it occurs all through the CNS. That's why MAOI's can lengthen the experience, because they prevent he breakdown of psilocin in the brain (as well as preventing the breakdown of natural neurotransmitters such as Serotonin, melatonin, norepinephrine, epinephrine, dopamine, tyramine, and tryptamine).
Psychedelic mushrooms do indeed contain trance amounts of DMT. I was merely offering this as a suggestion to why the effects of psilohuasca may be so "different" when compared normal tripping.
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Cesar
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Re: MAOI [Re: Dawks]
#14718507 - 07/05/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dawks said: Psychedelic mushrooms do indeed contain trance amounts of DMT.
Source?
I've never heard this before.
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Dawks
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Re: MAOI [Re: Cesar]
#14718704 - 07/05/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cesar said:
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Dawks said: Psychedelic mushrooms do indeed contain trance amounts of DMT.
Source?
I've never heard this before.
The biosynthesis pathway for psilocin/psilocybin is:
tryptophan -> tryptamine -> N-methyltryptamine -> N,N-dimethyltryptamine -> psilocin -> psilocybin.
I'd search you up an authentic scientific journal entry about it but I've gotta go now. I'm sure you can find it if you look around, just look for information regarding "psilocin (4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine) biosynthesis".
Basically anything needs that contains psilocin/psilocybin also contains DMT as it's a necessary component of its production.
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undermyknife
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Re: MAOI [Re: Dawks]
#14720048 - 07/05/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks everyone for your input, ive read the Spirit molecule, by straussman and his little passage about dmt containing plants and the use of a MAOI to actually bring it all together for tribal usage was a fascinating thing to learn then browsing on the shroomery it connected the dots that Mushrooms contain DMT as well and MAOIs' work with them.
now ive never ingested pure DMT or had the privelege to consume ayahuasca, how does the mush trip differ from one without an MAOI???
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JilPil



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so if i go buy some syrian rue and grind it up and add it to my lemon tek then it will be more intense of a lemon teked mushroom trip?
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awakendone


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undermyknife said: how does the mush trip differ from one without an MAOI???
the big difference i notice is with the cev's/oev's. when i take mushrooms alone i will see pretty much see the same type of things throughout the entire trip. with maoi added the visuals are constantly changing and going through so many different phases, they are much more intricate and complex. also rue seems to add a somewhat darker vibe to the trip ime.
idk what your experience is with mushrooms, but i highly recommend that you are familiar with them by themselves before messing around with rue.
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Re: MAOI [Re: JilPil]
#14720235 - 07/05/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ahmcarri said: so if i go buy some syrian rue and grind it up and add it to my lemon tek then it will be more intense of a lemon teked mushroom trip?
yes! i do this all the time. but you want to take them 40-60 min before the LT.
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JilPil



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awakendone said:
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ahmcarri said: so if i go buy some syrian rue and grind it up and add it to my lemon tek then it will be more intense of a lemon teked mushroom trip?
yes! i do this all the time. but you want to take them 40-60 min before the LT.
sweeeeeettt ordered hella seeds just now  thankyou mr depeche mode guy
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gornyhuy
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Re: MAOI [Re: JilPil]
#14720888 - 07/05/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Proceed with caution, maoi + shrooms are not to be taken lightly. Do you homework first, and then
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undermyknife
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so in your opinion Syrian Rue is the most potent of the MAOI's? bc im really interested in Passion flower, because of its diverse applications and its amazing to look at lol
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Cynosure
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I ingested a Syrian rue extract about 30 minutes before my last shroom trip. I took about 175-200mg of MAOI alkaloids and 3.5g of shrooms. The trip was definitely intense, but not overwhelming. It was one of the best and deepest trips I've had up to this point.
Next time I try this combination, I will probably up my MAOI to 300mg and stay at an eighth of shrooms.
The visuals were incredible. The trip lasted about 10 hours. The last 2 hours were pretty rough.. very depressing, heavy thoughts. I wasn't able to sleep for 3 more hours afterward.
Three others, who are less experienced than I with psychedelics, also had this exact same dose (they didn't really know what to expect, but wanted in). They all held up very well. There were lots of positive vibes. Everyone got a bit spooked when we went for a walk,and I was the only one who remembered how to get back home, but a little positive chatting, reassuring, and confidence kept them on track.
EDIT* - Lots of cannabis was also smoked throughout the entire experience.. I highly recommend it!
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Edited by Cynosure (07/05/11 09:54 PM)
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Hygrocybe
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Nutmeg works as an MAOI, and it can be used safely despite its reputation.
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