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MIT, is it really that good?
    #14720421 - 07/05/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One thing i noticed - they havent got that many students, but the college is quite big itself :awesome:

Any shroomerite went to MIT, let us know, or perhaps you know someone who went.

If i had spare 100,000 dollars i would go and do a masters course in physics :alf:


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: desant]
    #14720635 - 07/05/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

MIT charges 100,000$ for a masters in physics?  Are you sure?  In the sciences you can generally teach and get tuition covered plus a stipend due to the US grants and programs that basically pay schools to take students.

Its good in some things and not so good in others, I'm sure.  Asking if an entire university is "that good" is kinda silly because by their very nature, universities cover a gigantic spectrum of coursework that they cannot devote equal resources to and be too exceptional in any one area.

One thing I've found is that those impressed by the institution granting someone their degree generally aren't too familiar with higher education or the subject matter themselves.  Some otherwise unremarkable state schools have great programs in a particular area while some famous and old schools have programs that aren't anything special compared to other state schools.

I'm going to some ordinary state school with no particular recognition in my subject area and have found it fine, while I went to a school with a much better reputation (Berkley- over the summer, but with the regular profs) and found it no different than the one I attend, except in resources available (since they're just a bigger institution and have much more resources for research).


In science, often the "big names" don't seem that great unless your a graduate student where you can really take advantage of the extra resources and diversity of their programs.  As an undergrad just getting a bachlors, I kinda doubt you benefit too much.

(another thing, its easy to do reasearch as an undergrad at my school and pretty much pick your project, while at some of the more well-known schools it can be more difficult due to the greater demand.  Some larger private schools with decent science departments do have pretty good setups for undergrads though_


Basically, as an undergrad, you want a school that you like and is compotent, with the coursework and facilities you'd need.  Other than that, I really think you get what you put in. (maybe that's just me poo pooing more renowned schools though since I'm at a very average state school)

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: johnm214]
    #14720671 - 07/05/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mit i believe, is great for a tech degree. i think if you want to learn how to develop a new operating system, be a network engineer/administrator, i don't know tons of stuff, that is the place to do it.

i'm not sure if they will hire you at intel with an mit degree, you might need a masters degree, but still with mit I think you can go pretty far. why not make 100 grand a year. you can semi retire early, go back to college, get your degree in electronic engineering, and then go back and reapply at intel :thumbup:


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: imachavel]
    #14723777 - 07/06/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Evaluating universities is always a tricky business. It all depends on what you're looking at: number of publications, cumulative citation score, number of Nobel prizes awarded to personnel, etc. etc. As to MIT, yeah, they sure have a reputation for quality, but it certainly isn't relevant in all subjects. For example, they do some technology-related business research as well, and while it's fairly good overall, it certainly isn't stellar by any means. So it depends on the discipline you're looking at and the criteria you use. But in general, a degree from MIT doesn't look bad on your CV.

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: desant]
    #14724354 - 07/06/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> If i had spare 100,000 dollars i would go and do a masters course in physics

No, it is a huge waste of your money.  What are you going to do with a MS in physics?  It is a worthless degree.  At best, you will end up a high school science teacher.  Go to a decent and affordable university for your masters, then spend money on a PhD.  With a PhD in physics from MIT, you have a degree that is worth something... maybe not 100K, but better than nothing.

> But in general, a degree from MIT doesn't look bad on your CV.

It doesn't look bad, but I will take a PhD from BFE over a MS from MIT... and there are a lot of starving physics majors out there, thus supply and demand is in the employer's favor.


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: Seuss]
    #14724358 - 07/06/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> But in general, a degree from MIT doesn't look bad on your CV.

It doesn't look bad, but I will take a PhD from BFE over a MS from MIT... and there are a lot of starving physics majors out there, thus supply and demand is in the employer's favor.



Well, yeah, in the end, it is never one 'unique selling point' that brings you success; it's the entire package you bring to the table.

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: Seuss]
    #14724983 - 07/06/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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and there are a lot of starving physics majors out there




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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14725175 - 07/06/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course, unless you put your skills and abilities to use and develop new propulsion or new healing technicue and become richer that B Gates


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: desant]
    #14725358 - 07/06/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, MIT is good in that they have x criteria students should meet in order to get accepted.  I've gone to two universities and one college.  The first was in Virginia when I was in the Navy and I only took 3 courses there because they sent people to my ship to teach, but hey any credit is better than no credit and it was free.  When I got out of the Navy I had no more income and nowhere to live so I had to get a job before my savings dwindled, because my enlistment ended at a bad time so I couldn't go visit the schools I considered (and had been accepted to) at that time which were all state universities. 

A couple years later I started at a state university and studied there three years.  Surgical accident and dwindling interest in my major, and more importantly a dislike for large populations state universities have, caused me to stop my studies from unemployment.  It's pretty stressful deciding whether or not to change majors that late in the game since I'd be easily done with graduate shit by now, but I dreaded going to class and didn't want to do that type of work.  My classmates were 4-6 years younger than I was and many of them, not to sound egotistical/narcissistic, seemed lazy, rude, and had shitty work ethics when it came to academia. 

So, after getting back on my feet and caught up on debt from no income I applied to a private college a friend had been at for a year, my best friend actually and our minds are practically identical so I knew I'd at least like the college if not love it.  I'm lucky it's close (well 1 hour commute one way :crankey: ) and it's a liberal arts college.  While I wasn't keen with getting a degree in arts when I was getting a bachelor of science before, it ended up being really interesting and broadened my knowledge a lot since I'd already taken all the required courses for the B.S. in my previous major.  It's incredible though to be at a college that doesn't have graffiti on it, shit destroyed, assholes acting like fucking children, and professors too busy to notice you.  No class of mine has over 30 students, my advisor teaches a course I take every semester and intimately works with me, and while there are unbelievably stupid amounts of extra work at this college it demands an incredible amount of effort that truly pays off and exposes me to methods/information I never glimpsed at the state uni I went to.

Even in classes like Gen. Chem. you write lab reports in ACS format, psych papers in APA, and take no ScanTron tests because professors have time to grade 30 papers.  So imagine me hopping into a new college having written papers/reports in a given format maybe once a semester for a class and having to do it for every lab (and by then I was past Gen. Chem. so I was like wtf...).  The only exam I've taken that has been multiple choice/scantron was the ACS exam and that's because it's for ACS certification ( lol @ how the bastards make the simplest shit tricky by some fucking minute detail). 

The best thing about college for me, even though I have to take over an entire year to satisfy 60 credit hr for the degree as per the college req.'s, is that the students love to learn and class averages are 85-90+% on exams.  I can gather sources, write papers, design experiments, and perform all the calculations like nothing now because I had to do it every fucking week.  Sure it made me nuts the first semester, but looking back and remember fill in the blank lab reports just makes me sick and it certainly didn't prepare me.


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14725476 - 07/06/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea yea, well, i went to a uni for my bachelors of art and although i passed everything and graduated i find that studying was anything but on my mind. parties, pussy and weed, thats what i lived for , for 3 years...


When i went to do my masters in science few years back i didnt finish it, due to bad health, did half of it, one thing i remember, graduate school had a more mature audience, less people per class and Everyone was studying hard.

I feel like doing masters again and then maybe a PhD

But i would need like... 100 grand for all of it, and again, if i had that money i would go do ATPL, my true dream


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: desant]
    #14725783 - 07/06/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this is why when I went to school, I made sure not to go live on a dorm. everyone asked me to do so, saying it would be so much better. but prior to attending uni I had hung out with tons of people at uni in their dorm, and did nothing but party. I didn't want to risk this, so I just attended community college. It was great, I was focused, and had a blast just learning and not getting blasted before class or whatever. I kind of dropped out, getting only an associates degree, then moving on to vocational school. Oh well, better then nothing :shrug:, at one point I had a $15 an hour job.

I guess an associates won't get me into merryl lynch as a stock brocker, but whatever, I wouldn't want to do that anyway :confused: at this rate I might not retire a millionaire, but I know every 3-5 years I can move up a position and get a raise, just because of the minor degree, and the fact that it gets your foot in the door, to help you get experience, to get a better job. A lot of that is half the problem, and who knows I might get lucky, crazy things happen.

last year I had an interview for an IT consulting job, that payed $50 an hour. it was a friend of my dads, and I barely know how to turn on a computer, none the less join multiple domains to one domain controller, understand i.p. subnetting ipv4 scale, know security and port forwarding etc. I failed the interview big time, but just saying you can walk into some cool situations with an associates. like I said, it's not a masters but it's better then nothing, and you can always go back to school :shrug:


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: imachavel]
    #14725873 - 07/06/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

American universities should offer financial aid to international students


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: desant]
    #14725884 - 07/06/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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American universities should offer financial aid to international students




They do.  There are copious amounts of scholarships for international students.  They dont generally favor light skinned, english speaking internationals though...  If you get a good degree and do some good research, you can fairly easily get your PhD paid for here in the states - no matter what your minority status is.

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14727541 - 07/06/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you get a good degree and do some good research, you can fairly easily get your PhD paid for here in the states - no matter what your minority status is.




Typically PhD positions are paid in the US and Europe.  So assuming you get into a PhD program, you will actually be making money while you finish it.

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14729238 - 07/06/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wpi is similar but smaller

http://www.wpi.edu/


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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: RODIpure]
    #14730222 - 07/07/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

WPI is a good school, but isn't recognized as being nearly in the same class as MIT.  Caltech is the traditional nemesis of MIT, and it's quite a bit smaller.  It's been ranked as the #1 in research in the world.

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Re: MIT, is it really that good? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14731458 - 07/07/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
If you get a good degree and do some good research, you can fairly easily get your PhD paid for here in the states - no matter what your minority status is.



Typically PhD positions are paid in the US and Europe.  So assuming you get into a PhD program, you will actually be making money while you finish it.



Yup, I can vouch for that. Here in NL, the pay isn't astronomically high, but it's definitely a perfectly good living.

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