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sandman420
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
#14719825 - 07/05/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take note kids: Rinsing isn't cleaning. Scrubbing with a brush/sponge in soap and warm water is cleaning.
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mr_squee
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
#14719941 - 07/05/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think you can really 'eyeball' humidity. Condensation is an indicator of a temperature differential through a surface (the wall of your fc) so if its warmer inside than outside you will get condensation but that doesn't indicate correct humidity.
Suggesting you get a Hygrometer isn't flaming and I do suggest it but if you really don't want to (or can't) then you should just make sure your fc is constructed exactly right, because if it is your humidity should be within the correct parameters. Both my sgfcs hold 99% humidity no probs and are regulation with the correct hole spacing and level of perlite.
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mafiaconfidant
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sandman420]
#14719945 - 07/05/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suppose I should add that I did scrub the bucket with a brush and warm water during the rinsing process.
Edit: Well I have the 1/4" holes spaces two inches apart on all six sides with ~4.5" of damp perlite on the bottom with cakes sitting on tin foil on top of the perlite. When I mist, its kind of hard not to get the mist directly on the cakes which I remember reading somewhere is not good? Don't know if that's true or not, but if it is how do you suggest I mist the cakes?
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kdmmontana


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
#14719965 - 07/05/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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mafiaconfidant said: Well, they appear to be growing fine at this point. They also no longer smell like lemons in any way...they only smell like mushrooms now. I think that the extremely low level of the cleaning agent will not be a problem. I looked up the MSDS on Mr. Clean, and the ld50 in rats is >5g / kg, which is obviously a dose I will be no where near.
I realize it wasn't the best idea, but I didn't exactly think that they would absorb it, because I didn't think there was anything left in there besides water. To whoever asked if I would eat my dinner out of that bucket, the answer is yes because it has been thoroughly cleaned even though it once held mop water. At the time of the dunk, I had nothing else that I could of reasonably dunked them in.
Since I've already started this thread, and don't care to start another, I just have one simple question about the sgfc: Are there detectable signs (condensation, tactile differences in temperature / humidity) of the humidity being at the right level. I don't have a hygrometer, and because of lack of funds am unable to get one right now so I'm kind of eyeballing the humidity. I don't care for anyones flames about how much I need a hygrometer, because I am simply unable to get one, so any answer to my question would be appreciated.
Thanks
One can go wothout a hygrometer, some people prefer them, others dont; a hygrometer can be a good tool but sometimes humidity becomes a over-emphasized issue(altough this is an important factor, humidity can be controlled manually in other ways). Your FC ussually needs between 3-4 mistings per day and thats enough for at least 10 cakes. The fallacy of the idea that a loss of humidity is fatal is a bit vain, as you would have to go to such neglect to get there that you obviously wouldnt care anyway. FAE and light are very important factors to take into consideration.
Try to find a balance between all three and you can use your finger in the air to determine the conditions. IMO do not trust mechanics, rather learn to know signs of different offsets first. I am not saying you cannot use a Hygrometer, but it usually only tells you that its time to mist and most times new growers end up with a FC full of water with no air or not enough light. I have seen many. Humidity is important but sometimes people get stuck on that issue. Water is essential but with a good dunking your cakes will hardly dry out in the first three days anyways and the most important part is to keep pins wet. Your cakes as is, will keep moisture on their own many times.
Eg. I use a closet setup with a fan to provide more FAE (I have to supply it manually) which gives me ample space to spray my FC down a bit more, but at the same time this causes me some stress as I have to keep humidity levels up because of higher FAE and evaporation. Most setups neglect the fact that regular room air flow is not enough to disperse the water and thus they over-water their FC; causing FAE issues and stalled growth. The regular solution most people mention is to drill more holes, which is true but increasing FAE manually will also work. This is why casings are so important as they suck up much of the moisture and retain it, thus making it less necessary to water as the cakes will hold more moisture. Uncased cakes suffer greatly in a FC with too high humidity as they "suffocate" from air shortage and the light only makes it worse. Humidity is important, but in balance.
Finding a balance of all three factors is important, and thus altering the setups needs can be a vital tool; eg icreasing airflow or less watering will alter the need as a whole and may make it easier to control. I do it all backwards. I boom my fan and make sure i water much more, however I rarely run into moisture problems because of the increased FAE. More holes would not help me as my FC is in my closet and because I have manual FAE (the fan) I have to water more.
Vice versa, a setup that utilizes regular room airflow would not fry as wuick but would instead most likely suffer from CO2/airflow issues and this causing humidity issues along the way.
Edited by kdmmontana (07/05/11 11:26 AM)
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
#14720004 - 07/05/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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As long as your FAE is high enough and you dont drown your cakes its no problem; make sure you case your cakes as this will lessen the need to water them. The vermiculite will hold more water thus giving the cakes a natural water source aside from the air humidity. Its fine to spray directly on the cakes but misting in the air is more than enough at most times, providing your cakes are wet.
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orison
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#14720029 - 07/05/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I once sprayed a cake with WIndex.. , but luckly I didnt do more than a single mist... It was unaffected by it. Not saying it didn't damage it at all because I rinsed it off but it grew fine after that..
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kdmmontana


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
#14720036 - 07/05/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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orison319 said: I once sprayed a cake with WIndex.. , but luckly I didnt do more than a single mist... It was unaffected by it. Not saying it didn't damage it at all because I rinsed it off but it grew fine after that..
hehe...
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orison
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#14720065 - 07/05/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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never keep bottles that look alike, close to each other.. 
Ive misted my weed once with windex too.. 
Now I keep that Windex in the kitchen and spray my window rags their.. I havent had an accident in a while..
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
#14721261 - 07/05/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
#14725541 - 07/06/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bellymonster26 said: I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was
no its fine, I thought Skittles was some kind of candy or something:P:P What the hell are Skittles anyway?
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#14726172 - 07/06/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are candy. The person wants their cakes to smell and taste like candy.
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orison
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
#14729503 - 07/07/11 01:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bellymonster26 said: I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: scatmanrav]
#14729624 - 07/07/11 01:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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scatmanrav said: They are candy. The person wants their cakes to smell and taste like candy.
yes!
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kdmmontana


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
#14730233 - 07/07/11 08:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hahahaha...
"are you mocking me?"
"No"..
..later..
"Are you on drugs.."
"no, I dont take drugs"
"Im gonna hold you on contempt of court.."
Love the judge, the old man from the Pet Sematary! I love his voice and the way he comes off as a dirty old man, " stay awaayyy from thaaat roooaad.."...
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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#14732808 - 07/07/11 07:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I figure I might as well bump my own thread with more questions rather than create a whole new thread.
1 of my 3 cakes appears to almost be ready for harvest much sooner than the other 2. I plan to harvest when the cap starts to flatten out just a little more (right now, it's a wide cone with the veil already broken), unless someone suggests harvesting sooner.
Also, every fruit on every cake shows a lot of bruising right at the base of the stem where the fruit meets the cake. I'm wondering if this is a normal occurrence, and if I should be worried about it at all. Also, all fruits are much narrower at the base of the stem, then widening out to a uniform diameter after just barely a centimeter or so, and I don't know if this is normal or not either.
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