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Lobotomy anyone?
    #14717645 - 07/04/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #14718597 - 07/05/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone know if this actually works or if its placebo effect?

i don't like it. if something like that can "change" us mentally
they're probably gonna start programming us


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #14718809 - 07/05/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #14718814 - 07/05/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

TMS is a technology/concept in its infancy. There appear to be effects, but they are still relatively ill-understood. I hold high hopes for this sort of technology though. Compare it to the early cutting tools made out of flint: they were crude, but effective to some ends. But they are the forerunner of the extremely sharp and precise cutting tools we use today. TMS for me is the flint tool, which may evolve in extremely precise and effective technologies that could be used for treatment of neurological ailments as well as part of a BMI.

I know there's a clinic not too far from where I live that experiments with TMS. It employs a number of psychologists; my ex-gf considered working there, but decided against it in the end. But as far as we could tell at that point, their business ethics were pretty sound and they were making a useful contribution to advancements in the field. But to the best of my knowledge, TMS cannot really be 'sold' at this point as an effective treatment; it's too much in its infancy still.

Btw, comparing this technology with lobotomy is like comparing a BB-gun with a thermonuclear weapon.

Edited by koraks (07/05/11 03:30 AM)

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14718994 - 07/05/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"A new way back to the true you" :nonono:


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #14719041 - 07/05/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

TMS has been used for a relatively brief amount of time.  I've seen it presented at scientific meetings.  It sorta looks like a strong MRI.  It's definitely marketed and there are clinics were treatments can be purchased.

It looks like it "works" but it doesn't provide dramatic effects.  The literature seems to report difficulties with blinding, which may account for its usefulness.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: badchad]
    #14719076 - 07/05/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ill take a lobotomy so i dont have to experience this life anymore.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #14719078 - 07/05/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LustfulLinsanity said:
Ill take a lobotomy so i dont have to experience this life anymore.



lobotomy =/= bullet to the brain. Although that helps too.

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14719177 - 07/05/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lobotomy = zombie status. Comon havnt you ever read "one who flew over the cookoo's nest"


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14719187 - 07/05/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No thank you.


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14719189 - 07/05/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
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LustfulLinsanity said:
Ill take a lobotomy so i dont have to experience this life anymore.



lobotomy =/= bullet to the brain. Although that helps too.




Often, it does.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #14719190 - 07/05/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No; seen the movie a couple of times. A bullet to the brain is more effective though. No more suffering, more or less guaranteed. Unless the Bible is right.
:grammarnazi: cuckoo :crankey:

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14719203 - 07/05/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well i wont deny that a bullet to the brain is more effective at reducing the capacity to perceive life, yet a lobotomy is almost as effective


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #14719206 - 07/05/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Still, I choose neither.

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: blujay]
    #14719219 - 07/05/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)





To put his decision in context, Rosemary Kennedy was given a lobotomy in the 1940s, when it was hailed by "respected" medical authorities as a "miracle cure," about the time a physician was given a Nobel Prize for his work in psycho-surgery, at a time when tens of thousands of mental patients were recommended for such treatment (50,000 in the U.S. alone).

Most lobotomy procedures were done in the United States, where approximately 40,000 people were lobotomized. In Great Britain, 17,000 lobotomies were performed, and the three Nordic countries of Finland, Norway and Sweden had a combined figure of approximately 9,300 lobotomies.[50] Scandinavian hospitals lobotomized 2.5 times as many people per capita as hospitals in the US.[51] Sweden lobotomized at least 4,500 people between 1944 and 1966, mainly women. This figure includes young children.[52] In Norway there were 2,500 known lobotomies.[53] In Denmark there were 4,500 known lobotomies, mainly young women, as well as mentally retarded children.

Freeman performed nearly 2,500 lobotomies in 23 states,[3] mostly based on scanty and flimsy evidence for its scientific basis,[4][5] but more significantly he popularized the lobotomy. A neurologist without surgical training, he initially worked with several surgeons, including James W. Watts.



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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: koraks]
    #14719223 - 07/05/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
No; seen the movie a couple of times. A bullet to the brain is more effective though. No more suffering, more or less guaranteed. Unless the Bible is right.
:grammarnazi: cuckoo :crankey:




Surprisingly people apparently survive that shit... I think I would rather not.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: blujay]
    #14719224 - 07/05/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Makes you wonder what's wrong with people to actually destroy brain tissue that they have no fucking clue of how it actually works.

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: blujay]
    #14719229 - 07/05/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ya im sure hammering a screw driver into someone's frontal lobe through their nostrils would be considered a "miracle cure"


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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #14719233 - 07/05/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The ancient Egyptians believed that too though. They took it a step further, removed the brain through that route altogether in order to prepare the 'patient' for eternal life. Granted, they waited until (s)he had died, but still.

Edited by koraks (07/05/11 07:25 AM)

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Re: Lobotomy anyone? [Re: nice1]
    #14719351 - 07/05/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Haha, the can of Special Brew makes that picture perfect.

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