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Offlinemafiaconfidant
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Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes?
    #14717064 - 07/04/11 06:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, so I did the PF tek, and yesterday I did my dunk and roll right before birthing my cakes into the sgfc.  I dunked them in a bucket which has been used to hold mop water before (with like Mr. Clean or something used as the cleaning agent.  I rinsed out the bucket multiple times, and let just water soak in it for a few hours, then dumped the water, then refilled it again and placed my cakes in there for 24 hours, thinking all would be well.

So today I placed my cakes into the sgfc, and when I went to give them their second misting / fanning of the day the sgfc and the birthed cakes smelled like lemon cleaning fluid.  Certainly, having these things in my mushrooms is not good but I feel like I rinsed enough of it out so that it shouldn't be a problem and I was just looking for more experienced peoples opinions before I potentially poison myself.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717075 - 07/04/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

jus roll with it, small doses for starters to be sure


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Rafiikii]
    #14717700 - 07/04/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey you never know maybe you just found the holy grail to insta potency to add to the mix lolz. Things will prolly knock your dick in the dirt =P:smile:


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: capnjack98]
    #14717722 - 07/04/11 09:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hah, maybe - but OP should maybe not use manky mop buckets for teks.  You're cultivating for consumption remember. Would you cook your dinner in that bucket?

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717739 - 07/04/11 09:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I wont sit here and tell you that you are some moron, but that was pretty dumb; never use household cleaning stuff for your grows...:facepalm: Toss the damn cakes...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14717936 - 07/04/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you cleaned the bucket as well as you say, I don't see how there could be a problem.  Though, it is weird that they smelled like that to be for sure.  I'd do what someone else said, when you eat, eat in small bits.  Strange.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mr_squee]
    #14717954 - 07/04/11 10:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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mr_squee said:
hah, maybe - but OP should maybe not use manky mop buckets for teks.  You're cultivating for consumption remember. Would you cook your dinner in that bucket?




my thoughts exactly


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717998 - 07/04/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well at least they'll have a nice lemony flavor lolzzz  :goodluck:


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sage1o1] * 1
    #14718378 - 07/04/11 11:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the chemical reasidues would most probably kill the cakes anyway, do this OP; let them sit for two or three days and if they die, be sad and if they live dont use them anyway. I wouldnt..

Besides, its not worth going sick for a couple of cakes...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14718443 - 07/05/11 12:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed if bad enough to harm you, it would kill the cakes. Next time, dunk in the jars themselves. Eat the fruits. dont worry.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14718497 - 07/05/11 12:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hey what if you soaked the water you use in skittles and let the skittles disolve in the water and use that water for the cakes? you think the cakes would smell or taste like skittles?

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14718577 - 07/05/11 01:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I kinda wanna try that lmao, magic skittle shrooms lolzzz


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Captain Chaos]
    #14718620 - 07/05/11 01:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Captain Chaos said:
I kinda wanna try that lmao, magic skittle shrooms lolzzz




:awewtf:

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: VaeVictum]
    #14718693 - 07/05/11 02:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

1) The chems in most cleaning products won't hurt you at all in small doses.

2) Mushrooms aren't going to readily absorb chems the myc can't digest.

3) Depending on the type of plastic the bucket is made of you may have a very small amount of residual chems in there after washing. An even smaller amount may have transferred to your cakes, mostly absorbed into the verm. An even smaller amount may end up in a mushroom. Look at it this way, the amount of chems in the bucket can't be seen therefore it will be a VERY small amount in the end. Do you think putting a tiny drop (the size of a pin head) on your tongue of cleaner would hurt you? No. Now imagine 1/100 of that. You'll be fine.

4) I doubt there would be enough of any residual chems to affect the mushroom growth at all but if it grows you are definitely fine.

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.

Personally I would have no problem putting my dinner in a bucket that had been throughly washed regardless of what was in it. I pasteurize horse poo in my pressure cooker and I occassionally use it to cook. If you throughly wash plastic/metal most will never absorb anything harmful.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Smushroom]
    #14719286 - 07/05/11 07:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Smushroom said:

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.






one should be careful here also.  containers which are not designed to prepare food are more often manufactured with cheaper, non-food grade plastic.  these are known/suspected of leeching out small amounts of carcinogens. 

if you use plastics, try to stick to #5 (usually marked on the bottom of the container), it is considered pretty safe.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: volare]
    #14719326 - 07/05/11 07:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Pre-prepared lemon tek :crazy2:.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: InvisibleHunter]
    #14719346 - 07/05/11 08:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

#2 (HDPE) and #4 (LDPE) plastics should be ok too. HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) is the best, most inert and non-reactive plastic.  It is used for long-term food storage and is safe for use with solvents, strong acids and bases without damage.  If you want the good stuff that's it.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Smushroom]
    #14719365 - 07/05/11 08:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Bellymonster26 said:
hey what if you soaked the water you use in skittles and let the skittles disolve in the water and use that water for the cakes? you think the cakes would smell or taste like skittles?




Dont mock people.

To the OP; There is no need to risk your health or your psyche or whatever because of this; its just plain dumb. Do it all over again and get fresh un-used buckets for your grows.

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Smushroom said:
1) The chems in most cleaning products won't hurt you at all in small doses.

2) Mushrooms aren't going to readily absorb chems the myc can't digest.

3) Depending on the type of plastic the bucket is made of you may have a very small amount of residual chems in there after washing. An even smaller amount may have transferred to your cakes, mostly absorbed into the verm. An even smaller amount may end up in a mushroom. Look at it this way, the amount of chems in the bucket can't be seen therefore it will be a VERY small amount in the end. Do you think putting a tiny drop (the size of a pin head) on your tongue of cleaner would hurt you? No. Now imagine 1/100 of that. You'll be fine.

4) I doubt there would be enough of any residual chems to affect the mushroom growth at all but if it grows you are definitely fine.

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.

Personally I would have no problem putting my dinner in a bucket that had been throughly washed regardless of what was in it. I pasteurize horse poo in my pressure cooker and I occassionally use it to cook. If you throughly wash plastic/metal most will never absorb anything harmful.




You do not have any kind of evidence that any of this is true. Its like trying to perform a nuclear safety inspection by looking at the plant through binoculars. You do not know what kind of cleaning agent it was, what it contains, how dangerous it is etc.

Mushroom mycelium and cakes will suck up everything it touches, its a sponge. What reason is there to think that it can magically avoid molecules? Try it yourself then, dunk a couple of cakes in dishwater and then fruit them and tell us how it tasted...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sage1o1]
    #14719376 - 07/05/11 08:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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sage1o1 said:
If you cleaned the bucket as well as you say, I don't see how there could be a problem.  Though, it is weird that they smelled like that to be for sure.  I'd do what someone else said, when you eat, eat in small bits.  Strange.




Would you eat a steak in small bits, had it been laying in that bucket? In small bits? Wierd.

Dont tell him to eat unless you know its safe, which none of us know now, so until weve sent the bucket and cakes to NIDA;s lab, have it confirmed safe by Obamas private physician and Obamas family cooked their turkey in that bucket for Halloween, nobody should eat anything from that bucket. :smile:

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14719740 - 07/05/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, they appear to be growing fine at this point.  They also no longer smell like lemons in any way...they only smell like mushrooms now.  I think that the extremely low level of the cleaning agent will not be a problem.  I looked up the MSDS on Mr. Clean, and the ld50 in rats is >5g / kg, which is obviously a dose I will be no where near. 

I realize it wasn't the best idea, but I didn't exactly think that they would absorb it, because I didn't think there was anything left in there besides water.  To whoever asked if I would eat my dinner out of that bucket, the answer is yes because it has been thoroughly cleaned even though it once held mop water.  At the time of the dunk, I had nothing else that I could of reasonably dunked them in.

Since I've already started this thread, and don't care to start another, I just have one simple question about the sgfc: Are there detectable signs (condensation, tactile differences in temperature / humidity) of the humidity being at the right level.  I don't have a hygrometer, and because of lack of funds am unable to get one right now so I'm kind of eyeballing the humidity.  I don't care for anyones flames about how much I need a hygrometer, because I am simply unable to get one, so any answer to my question would be appreciated.

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