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Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes?
    #14717064 - 07/04/11 06:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, so I did the PF tek, and yesterday I did my dunk and roll right before birthing my cakes into the sgfc.  I dunked them in a bucket which has been used to hold mop water before (with like Mr. Clean or something used as the cleaning agent.  I rinsed out the bucket multiple times, and let just water soak in it for a few hours, then dumped the water, then refilled it again and placed my cakes in there for 24 hours, thinking all would be well.

So today I placed my cakes into the sgfc, and when I went to give them their second misting / fanning of the day the sgfc and the birthed cakes smelled like lemon cleaning fluid.  Certainly, having these things in my mushrooms is not good but I feel like I rinsed enough of it out so that it shouldn't be a problem and I was just looking for more experienced peoples opinions before I potentially poison myself.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717075 - 07/04/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

jus roll with it, small doses for starters to be sure


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Rafiikii]
    #14717700 - 07/04/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey you never know maybe you just found the holy grail to insta potency to add to the mix lolz. Things will prolly knock your dick in the dirt =P:smile:


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: capnjack98]
    #14717722 - 07/04/11 09:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hah, maybe - but OP should maybe not use manky mop buckets for teks.  You're cultivating for consumption remember. Would you cook your dinner in that bucket?

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717739 - 07/04/11 09:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I wont sit here and tell you that you are some moron, but that was pretty dumb; never use household cleaning stuff for your grows...:facepalm: Toss the damn cakes...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14717936 - 07/04/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you cleaned the bucket as well as you say, I don't see how there could be a problem.  Though, it is weird that they smelled like that to be for sure.  I'd do what someone else said, when you eat, eat in small bits.  Strange.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mr_squee]
    #14717954 - 07/04/11 10:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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mr_squee said:
hah, maybe - but OP should maybe not use manky mop buckets for teks.  You're cultivating for consumption remember. Would you cook your dinner in that bucket?




my thoughts exactly


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14717998 - 07/04/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well at least they'll have a nice lemony flavor lolzzz  :goodluck:


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sage1o1] * 1
    #14718378 - 07/04/11 11:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the chemical reasidues would most probably kill the cakes anyway, do this OP; let them sit for two or three days and if they die, be sad and if they live dont use them anyway. I wouldnt..

Besides, its not worth going sick for a couple of cakes...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14718443 - 07/05/11 12:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed if bad enough to harm you, it would kill the cakes. Next time, dunk in the jars themselves. Eat the fruits. dont worry.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14718497 - 07/05/11 12:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hey what if you soaked the water you use in skittles and let the skittles disolve in the water and use that water for the cakes? you think the cakes would smell or taste like skittles?

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14718577 - 07/05/11 01:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I kinda wanna try that lmao, magic skittle shrooms lolzzz


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Captain Chaos]
    #14718620 - 07/05/11 01:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Captain Chaos said:
I kinda wanna try that lmao, magic skittle shrooms lolzzz




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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: VaeVictum]
    #14718693 - 07/05/11 02:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

1) The chems in most cleaning products won't hurt you at all in small doses.

2) Mushrooms aren't going to readily absorb chems the myc can't digest.

3) Depending on the type of plastic the bucket is made of you may have a very small amount of residual chems in there after washing. An even smaller amount may have transferred to your cakes, mostly absorbed into the verm. An even smaller amount may end up in a mushroom. Look at it this way, the amount of chems in the bucket can't be seen therefore it will be a VERY small amount in the end. Do you think putting a tiny drop (the size of a pin head) on your tongue of cleaner would hurt you? No. Now imagine 1/100 of that. You'll be fine.

4) I doubt there would be enough of any residual chems to affect the mushroom growth at all but if it grows you are definitely fine.

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.

Personally I would have no problem putting my dinner in a bucket that had been throughly washed regardless of what was in it. I pasteurize horse poo in my pressure cooker and I occassionally use it to cook. If you throughly wash plastic/metal most will never absorb anything harmful.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Smushroom]
    #14719286 - 07/05/11 07:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Smushroom said:

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.






one should be careful here also.  containers which are not designed to prepare food are more often manufactured with cheaper, non-food grade plastic.  these are known/suspected of leeching out small amounts of carcinogens. 

if you use plastics, try to stick to #5 (usually marked on the bottom of the container), it is considered pretty safe.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: volare]
    #14719326 - 07/05/11 07:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Pre-prepared lemon tek :crazy2:.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: InvisibleHunter]
    #14719346 - 07/05/11 08:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

#2 (HDPE) and #4 (LDPE) plastics should be ok too. HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) is the best, most inert and non-reactive plastic.  It is used for long-term food storage and is safe for use with solvents, strong acids and bases without damage.  If you want the good stuff that's it.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Smushroom]
    #14719365 - 07/05/11 08:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Bellymonster26 said:
hey what if you soaked the water you use in skittles and let the skittles disolve in the water and use that water for the cakes? you think the cakes would smell or taste like skittles?




Dont mock people.

To the OP; There is no need to risk your health or your psyche or whatever because of this; its just plain dumb. Do it all over again and get fresh un-used buckets for your grows.

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1) The chems in most cleaning products won't hurt you at all in small doses.

2) Mushrooms aren't going to readily absorb chems the myc can't digest.

3) Depending on the type of plastic the bucket is made of you may have a very small amount of residual chems in there after washing. An even smaller amount may have transferred to your cakes, mostly absorbed into the verm. An even smaller amount may end up in a mushroom. Look at it this way, the amount of chems in the bucket can't be seen therefore it will be a VERY small amount in the end. Do you think putting a tiny drop (the size of a pin head) on your tongue of cleaner would hurt you? No. Now imagine 1/100 of that. You'll be fine.

4) I doubt there would be enough of any residual chems to affect the mushroom growth at all but if it grows you are definitely fine.

In the future trust you nose for something like that. If the bucket smells like a plastic bucket, use it. If it smells like Mr Clean don't.

Personally I would have no problem putting my dinner in a bucket that had been throughly washed regardless of what was in it. I pasteurize horse poo in my pressure cooker and I occassionally use it to cook. If you throughly wash plastic/metal most will never absorb anything harmful.




You do not have any kind of evidence that any of this is true. Its like trying to perform a nuclear safety inspection by looking at the plant through binoculars. You do not know what kind of cleaning agent it was, what it contains, how dangerous it is etc.

Mushroom mycelium and cakes will suck up everything it touches, its a sponge. What reason is there to think that it can magically avoid molecules? Try it yourself then, dunk a couple of cakes in dishwater and then fruit them and tell us how it tasted...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sage1o1]
    #14719376 - 07/05/11 08:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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If you cleaned the bucket as well as you say, I don't see how there could be a problem.  Though, it is weird that they smelled like that to be for sure.  I'd do what someone else said, when you eat, eat in small bits.  Strange.




Would you eat a steak in small bits, had it been laying in that bucket? In small bits? Wierd.

Dont tell him to eat unless you know its safe, which none of us know now, so until weve sent the bucket and cakes to NIDA;s lab, have it confirmed safe by Obamas private physician and Obamas family cooked their turkey in that bucket for Halloween, nobody should eat anything from that bucket. :smile:

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14719740 - 07/05/11 10:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, they appear to be growing fine at this point.  They also no longer smell like lemons in any way...they only smell like mushrooms now.  I think that the extremely low level of the cleaning agent will not be a problem.  I looked up the MSDS on Mr. Clean, and the ld50 in rats is >5g / kg, which is obviously a dose I will be no where near. 

I realize it wasn't the best idea, but I didn't exactly think that they would absorb it, because I didn't think there was anything left in there besides water.  To whoever asked if I would eat my dinner out of that bucket, the answer is yes because it has been thoroughly cleaned even though it once held mop water.  At the time of the dunk, I had nothing else that I could of reasonably dunked them in.

Since I've already started this thread, and don't care to start another, I just have one simple question about the sgfc: Are there detectable signs (condensation, tactile differences in temperature / humidity) of the humidity being at the right level.  I don't have a hygrometer, and because of lack of funds am unable to get one right now so I'm kind of eyeballing the humidity.  I don't care for anyones flames about how much I need a hygrometer, because I am simply unable to get one, so any answer to my question would be appreciated.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14719825 - 07/05/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Take note kids: Rinsing isn't cleaning. Scrubbing with a brush/sponge in soap and warm water is cleaning.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14719941 - 07/05/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think you can really 'eyeball' humidity.  Condensation is an indicator of a temperature differential through a surface (the wall of your fc) so if its warmer inside than outside you will get condensation but that doesn't indicate correct humidity.

Suggesting you get a Hygrometer isn't flaming and I do suggest it but if you really don't want to (or can't) then you should just make sure your fc is constructed exactly right, because if it is your humidity should be within the correct parameters.  Both my sgfcs hold 99% humidity no probs and are regulation with the correct hole spacing and level of perlite.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: sandman420]
    #14719945 - 07/05/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I suppose I should add that I did scrub the bucket with a brush and warm water during the rinsing process.

Edit: Well I have the 1/4" holes spaces two inches apart on all six sides with ~4.5" of damp perlite on the bottom with cakes sitting on tin foil on top of the perlite.  When I mist, its kind of hard not to get the mist directly on the cakes which I remember reading somewhere is not good? Don't know if that's true or not, but if it is how do you suggest I mist the cakes?


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14719965 - 07/05/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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mafiaconfidant said:
Well, they appear to be growing fine at this point.  They also no longer smell like lemons in any way...they only smell like mushrooms now.  I think that the extremely low level of the cleaning agent will not be a problem.  I looked up the MSDS on Mr. Clean, and the ld50 in rats is >5g / kg, which is obviously a dose I will be no where near. 

I realize it wasn't the best idea, but I didn't exactly think that they would absorb it, because I didn't think there was anything left in there besides water.  To whoever asked if I would eat my dinner out of that bucket, the answer is yes because it has been thoroughly cleaned even though it once held mop water.  At the time of the dunk, I had nothing else that I could of reasonably dunked them in.

Since I've already started this thread, and don't care to start another, I just have one simple question about the sgfc: Are there detectable signs (condensation, tactile differences in temperature / humidity) of the humidity being at the right level.  I don't have a hygrometer, and because of lack of funds am unable to get one right now so I'm kind of eyeballing the humidity.  I don't care for anyones flames about how much I need a hygrometer, because I am simply unable to get one, so any answer to my question would be appreciated.

Thanks




One can go wothout a hygrometer, some people prefer them, others dont; a hygrometer can be a good tool but sometimes humidity becomes a over-emphasized issue(altough this is an important factor, humidity can be controlled manually in other ways). Your FC ussually needs between 3-4 mistings per day and thats enough for at least 10 cakes. The fallacy of the idea that a loss of humidity is fatal is a bit vain, as you would have to go to such neglect to get there that you obviously wouldnt care anyway. FAE and light are very important factors to take into consideration.

Try to find a balance between all three and you can use your finger in the air to determine the conditions. IMO do not trust mechanics, rather learn to know signs of different offsets first. I am not saying you cannot use a Hygrometer, but it usually only tells you that its time to mist and most times new growers end up with a FC full of water with no air or not enough light. I have seen many. Humidity is important but sometimes people get stuck on that issue. Water is essential but with a good dunking your cakes will hardly dry out in the first three days anyways and the most important part is to keep pins wet. Your cakes as is, will keep moisture on their own many times.

Eg. I use a closet setup with a fan to provide more FAE (I have to supply it manually) which gives me ample space to spray my FC down a bit more, but at the same time this causes me some stress as I have to keep humidity levels up because of higher FAE and evaporation. Most setups neglect the fact that regular room air flow is not enough to disperse the water and thus they over-water their FC; causing FAE issues and stalled growth. The regular solution most people mention is to drill more holes, which is true but increasing FAE manually will also work. This is why casings are so important as they suck up much of the moisture and retain it, thus making it less necessary to water as the cakes will hold more moisture. Uncased cakes suffer greatly in a FC with too high humidity as they "suffocate" from air shortage and the light only makes it worse. Humidity is important, but in balance.

Finding a balance of all three factors is important, and thus altering the setups needs can be a vital tool; eg icreasing airflow or less watering will alter the need as a whole and may make it easier to control. I do it all backwards. I boom my fan and make sure i water much more, however I rarely run into moisture problems because of the increased FAE. More holes would not help me as my FC is in my closet and because I have manual FAE (the fan) I have to water more.

Vice versa, a setup that utilizes regular room airflow would not fry as wuick but would instead most likely suffer from CO2/airflow issues and this causing humidity issues along the way.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: mafiaconfidant]
    #14720004 - 07/05/11 11:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

As long as your FAE is high enough and you dont drown your cakes its no problem; make sure you case your cakes as this will lessen the need to water them. The vermiculite will hold more water thus giving the cakes a natural water source aside from the air humidity. Its fine to spray directly on the cakes but misting in the air is more than enough at most times, providing your cakes are wet.

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14720029 - 07/05/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I once sprayed a cake with WIndex.. :eek:, but luckly I didnt do more than a single mist... It was unaffected by it. Not saying it didn't damage it at all because I rinsed it off but it grew fine after that..


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
    #14720036 - 07/05/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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orison319 said:
I once sprayed a cake with WIndex.. :eek:, but luckly I didnt do more than a single mist... It was unaffected by it. Not saying it didn't damage it at all because I rinsed it off but it grew fine after that..



:laugh:hehe...

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14720065 - 07/05/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

never keep bottles that look alike, close to each other.. :shrug:


Ive misted my weed once with windex too.. :sad:

Now I keep that Windex in the kitchen and spray my window rags their.. I havent had an accident in a while..:biggrin:


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
    #14721261 - 07/05/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14725541 - 07/06/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Bellymonster26 said:
I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was




no its fine, I thought Skittles was some kind of candy or something:P:P
What the hell are Skittles anyway?

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14726172 - 07/06/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

They are candy. The person wants their cakes to smell and taste like candy.


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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: Pareidolia]
    #14729503 - 07/07/11 01:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Bellymonster26 said:
I was not mocking him, it was a serious question. Sorry if it sounded like i was



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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14729624 - 07/07/11 01:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
They are candy. The person wants their cakes to smell and taste like candy.




yes! :yourock:

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: orison]
    #14730233 - 07/07/11 08:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahaha...

"are you mocking me?"

"No"..

..later..

"Are you on drugs.."

"no, I dont take drugs"

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Re: Dangerous Chemicals in my BRF Cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14732808 - 07/07/11 07:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I figure I might as well bump my own thread with more questions rather than create a whole new thread.

1 of my 3 cakes appears to almost be ready for harvest much sooner than the other 2.  I plan to harvest when the cap starts to flatten out just a little more (right now, it's a wide cone with the veil already broken), unless someone suggests harvesting sooner.

Also, every fruit on every cake shows a lot of bruising right at the base of the stem where the fruit meets the cake.  I'm wondering if this is a normal occurrence, and if I should be worried about it at all.  Also, all fruits are much narrower at the base of the stem, then widening out to a uniform diameter after just barely a centimeter or so, and I don't know if this is normal or not either.


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