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Stupid ratings and flame wars
    #14714482 - 07/04/11 07:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I dont know if this is the right forum to post in so please move if necessary:)

Lately Ive found that a whole lt of people seem to bait off decent growers lines and then cast crap ratings; ive seen stupid noob threads turn into flaming hell, Ive seen several good growers being cut down to 4 shrooms by noobs for no other reason and I see a great evil and chaotic mess cast its shadows on the shroomery. This doesnt feel like the same place I left 3 months ago.

I see new members coming in, slashing ratings then dissapearing:mad:; I see good growers vanish into obscurity, I see dangerous experiments, stupid support from people who should know better (It has to be famous by now) for such acts and no apparent balance whatsoever. I see newbies flocking and rating each other to death over bullshit:mad2: and I see GOOD newbies being slashed for fun:mad2: altough Ive tried to pick up two or three.

What happened?

I see little activity from experienced growers(who surely are aware bu busy moving forward), altough one cannot demand such attention at all; all I see is newbie threads flaming like hell and no progress being made, no TEKS discussed and frequent "duuh" assumptions leading to total failure over and over again. Ive asked for support trying to turn stupid needle discussions around from what I knew were intelligent growers only to be turned down, Ive seen growers I thought were good people turn their backs and slash ratings. Ive seen a lot..

Im just confused...this doesnt seem right..*sigh*:crazy:

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14714523 - 07/04/11 07:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Amen Bro ham!! :rockon: I get tired of tip toeing through threads myself wondering if this is the one that will end up in flames just over simple heart felt advise, It sucks!! What to do though? Hopefully the good will out last the bad and things will rite themselves. This is a great site that does allot of good for allot of people.


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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: Altered States]
    #14714586 - 07/04/11 07:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

WORD! I am a total noob, and I can confirm your observations.  Having to weed through all the crap to find (maybe) the answer. Kind of makes me feel like I'm looking for a first grader in a sea of children on the first day of school O.o Except; they all cuss like old sailors.


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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14715396 - 07/04/11 12:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Couldn't agree more.  I really wonder if some people post to help others or just to demean others for their lack of knowledge or their flawed thinking.  I no longer consider this website a forum, I consider it an Online Database, since most questions asked end with a "Use the search Function".  Such behavior keeps progressive thinkers from revolutionizing current methods, or discovering new ones.  It's a shame what is has become.  :sad:


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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: Mycowlogist]
    #14715463 - 07/04/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. I think some of the people in here should EAT some of the mushrooms they grow and transcend that big ego they have of themselves.

I think there should be a sticky noob thread. All questions pertaining for first grows and first few grows can just go in there, like the strain thread. That might end people asking the same questions over again.

I feel like I'm tip toeing as well in the cultivation forum. It shouldn't be like that on the stupid internet.

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: Mycowlogist]
    #14715500 - 07/04/11 12:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'd agree with you, people do seem to flame way to easily... example

OP>  How do I build a shotgun terraium

Reply > you fag noob! UTFSE!!

Rather than.. here is a link to the SGFC Tek, and the Mushroom Videos! Good luck in your future grow!


People should refrain from posting if its just a flame. It should be constructive criticism! With links and quotes etc. Many of the older hands may be tired of it, but I for one am willing to help out when i can

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: ozzysmygod]
    #14715557 - 07/04/11 12:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've gotten into the habit of pointing people towards the Mushroom Info tab and Grow Mushrooms sub-tab since that's where I began on the Shroomery.  Using the search engine is cool and all but the Growing Mushrooms section has all the answers anyone would ever need in a nice ordered area.

I like the idea of having a stickied NOOB thread going for all the 'first grow what to do' questions.  I'd love to see just people's grows in the Cult forum honestly.  Grows, setups, and PIN PORN!! 

I think that if this was the case there would be more folks from Gourmet and Medical Forums posting pics of their grows in the cult forum.

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: drwatson]
    #14715560 - 07/04/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get me wrong I like actives but this is a Cultivation forum and all we ever get is Cube after cube.  :tongue:

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: drwatson]
    #14715609 - 07/04/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhhhhh! Hello Fellers! Have you heard about those flame wars...:P:grin:

I keep trying to point the new ones in slightly better directions, have fought to kill of the "ithastobemyshittyspores" and "theneedlecausedit" myths and I hope I am making headway..oh dont forget "ineedcoarserdubstrate.."

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14715750 - 07/04/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

talk about noob? check how many posts ive had lolz. But ive been here now for alil ova a month now and this forum (even with sum flamorz) has been nuttin but awesum!

You gotta remember that every great thing starts out small and personal and tight knit with a core group that pioneers the way.

As it becomes more popular comes more bullshit to deal with. " with great success comes great responsibilty".

The responsibilty needs to come from each n every member to keep the atmosphere just the right mixture. Its happenes with any and every group ,10% of the people will do 100% of the work. that shit gets tiring and old to folks trying to do the right thing staying vigilant.

BALANCE, its were its at, and its going to take effort on everybodys part that gives a shit about this forum to keep it flowin in the direction intended.

Bottom line its not only up to the moderators to keep shit in check, its up to us all to make this community awesum!! Good, Bad or w/e the community is only as strong as its members.

And if you wanna point fingers ( not saying OP did at all) on whos fault u might wanna think it is... Point at the screen, ur one finger is pointed at the screen, but were are your other four fingers pointed?

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: capnjack98]
    #14715850 - 07/04/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the shroomery is "the beach".

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: capnjack98]
    #14715870 - 07/04/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

your perfectly right about that one. I am not trying to blame other people for their mistakes at all, just so you know. Its of course all our responsibility that the forum keeps moving forward, but moving forward is not the same as moving sideways into nothing. A lot of new growers jump to conclusions based on what other people hint at them, such as the "yesitsprobablyyourspores" when the hint comes from someone who do not have experience (or at least do not contain themselves to reading from TEKS) I feel slightly obliged to step in and remind them of that there are logical solutions based on long experience. Its not logical for example to tell someone with germination issues that it has to be their spores, this is in no way groundbreaking, its just silly and vain assumptions aiming to somehow drive someones car into another lane.

I always focus greatly on personal experience as that creates great growers in the end. To learn to feel whats right and feel the flow of the process takes a lot of reading and trying, which is why I always say "do not order takeaway, cook yourself" sort of. Now I am no Yoda of this stuff, altough I have limited experience of certain areas (I am very familiar with the PF TEK) and my approach is always "simple and correct" because thats the heart of PF TEK, its a simple method requiring few tools and some steps.

In addition there are a lot of third grade burns which new growers come in contact with, contaminations, germination issues, growth issues which are directly related to practice (usually in my own experience) those growers earn a lot more experience by carefully looking into their TEKS, how they approach the bench so to speak than being directed by other members in full. Eg. my shouting is usually loud right now because there are a lot of running towards conclusions which is not appropriate for newer growers who need to learn from the bottom. Its counterproductive to assume "its my needles" and just toss a needle and then fail over and over again, than to carefully practice ones inoc. technique and mind their surroundings. Thus pushing people to learn more about the intricate process behind the grow is more positive than just marking redtape and prodding.

I always avoid issues related to FC;s because Ive come to learn that FC;s are tricky and my limited experience do not cover basic facts. THis has been a great help for me to come to aspire here and also to focus on one step at hand. I give regular input on substrate because Ive stood in my kitchen like martha stewart looking, tasting, smelling, getting it just right. I make my own needles, so I know that it seems odd when people say "it has to be your needle, flaming etc" when I dont flame and I do open air knocks. It CAN be that, but its more likely air borne or something else. I try not to say; IT IS THAT, rather look into it.

I like your reply because its so on point CapnJack98. :grin:

My greatest concerns is when people fail to adhere to the simple process of the PF TEK because they run into issues and fail and get the vain explanation that there is some outside issue, thus keeping their attention outside of their kitchen or grow area, when most likely the issue is right in front on them. As being, we always enjoy simple explanations and a lot of people can become discouraged or enraged believing they will succeed the second time, after they bought a new needle or done other time consuming steps, only to find they fail again. This can be a great turn off.

So my way is usually to point to more general explanations first; could it be your house has molds, could it be your shitty hands etc. Regular simple solutions. Carefulness goes a long way.

In addition again; I have seen some pretty good top tier people fall into both disgrace and shame, which saddens me. Several of them have been downrated several shrooms to shit by NEWBIES. This I DO NOT TOLERATE, THIS SHIT HAS TO GO. WHen I see some ragular flapjack sitting and spewing vomit over :mushroom2:Moonshine:mushroom2: or :mushroom2:Leopardman:mushroom2: I go nuts! They are the people who new growers SHOULD look up to and they are still a inspiration.

So until this seemingly never ending squabble which has separated both new growers and older ones from the top tiers, I find no other solution than to stand there with a TEK in my hand and a baseball bat *paf paf paf*. Ive had the irritation of seeing several GOOD growers going into rate-wars with new growers and that makes me even more red in the face. :mad2:

*This is in no way directed at any special people here on the forums, just a general observation to get the ground to move forward*

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14715899 - 07/04/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I came up with this while tripping;

"No one gives a shit about your opinion because they're too busy giving a shit about theirs."

I don't even try to convince people of anything any more. It's a waste of time and effort, just like flaming and making pointless corrections.

I joined this forum and expected a bunch of hippies, but the group here is the most combative and aggressive bunch I've ever seen, and I'm a mechanic.


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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: SB-2]
    #14716001 - 07/04/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

youre just not persuasive enough, have you tried a tire iron:P

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14716370 - 07/04/11 03:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, i know what you mean.

This has been pissing me off a lot lately. Not only does there seem to be a lot more stupid ass ignorant noobs around, they seem to be signing up at a faster and faster rate as time goes on!

The good growers don't bother anymore because of all of the bullshit. They don't care to answer your questions because of these said reasons. What do they care, they already know how to grow.


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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14716409 - 07/04/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhh thanx for the response after my 2centz KD, I think i understand now that you are trying to protect something that you hold great respect towards. ( hence the baseball bat lolz).

It would sadden me greatly to see a place such as this take a downward spiral into the rectal abyss that so many forums have gone n never made it back! Becoming a blathering cauldron of Hoss shit that the pioneers will come less n less and the masses that practice DoucheBagery will come forth in legions!

I havent been here long enuff to know " what it used to be like ", but I do know this.. there is a core group of folk here that do care, and that do take the time to spread the correct info based on there personal exp. and for that im gratefull. I just hope beyond hope that those people dont fade away.

I am one noob among many more to come, and without proper direction coming directly from the core, then failure creeps in real quick.

                         
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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: capnjack98]
    #14716528 - 07/04/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

capnjack98 said:
Ahhh thanx for the response after my 2centz KD, I think i understand now that you are trying to protect something that you hold great respect towards. ( hence the baseball bat lolz).

It would sadden me greatly to see a place such as this take a downward spiral into the rectal abyss that so many forums have gone n never made it back! Becoming a blathering cauldron of Hoss shit that the pioneers will come less n less and the masses that practice DoucheBagery will come forth in legions!

I havent been here long enuff to know " what it used to be like ", but I do know this.. there is a core group of folk here that do care, and that do take the time to spread the correct info based on there personal exp. and for that im gratefull. I just hope beyond hope that those people dont fade away.

I am one noob among many more to come, and without proper direction coming directly from the core, then failure creeps in real quick.

                         
                    I AM NOOB!!! $%%^&^%$%&*!!!




The invasion has begun...:P hihhi:)

Well seriously I like new people who start growing mushrooms, I compare it to Marc Emerys fight for cannabis cultivators rights.
Id rather see mushrooms coming back strong, it reminds me of the counter culture and the right to decide ones own reality. Cannabis simply numbs us and makes us giggle but mushrooms can open worlds to us. It dwells so deep within the human consciousness and fungi predates all animals. Magic Mushrooms is the best thing Ive ever tried. :wink:

We really need to reshape the world as its going bonkers right now, sad but true.

Mushrooms is something I can really support and I like doing so:):wink:

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14717162 - 07/04/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's because most of the people on this forum are certified retards.
This is a dumb thread. 
And off topic.
It's a forum.
:whocares:

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14717214 - 07/04/11 07:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ISO you are beat.

yeah, time to head over to myctopia

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Re: Stupid ratings and flame wars [Re: shroomiin]
    #14717231 - 07/04/11 07:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:stupid:
I suppose it won't be long before a mod moves or locks this silliness.

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