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Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization...
    #14713887 - 07/04/11 01:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I want to preface this post by saying I'm not a total noob, I've had many successful flushes from both cakes and casings, but this is something I haven't tried before. I realize 100% colonization is optimal, yada yada.

I have a lot of jars currently colonizing. I've taken to casings, and I'll have more mushrooms after this spawn run to last a very long time. I revived by whole op on the cheap with an old sporeprint I got in a trade here on the Shroomery, and after knocking up some EvenFlo bottles (Thanks, Agar!) to stretch my MS syringe out into enough inoculate for all my jars, I tested the LC's on 12 tall pint PF jars.

Long story short, I'd like to have a few to enjoy before a month from now. Would it be possible to birth a few of my pint jars early, wash off all the uncolonized substrate, and case this with coir? Not looking for a ton of shrooms, just a few for me and a friend in the next couple weeks. If I could dunk and roll the colonized portion that would be fine too. They are about 1/4 colonized.

Thanks in advance for any help provided. I would prefer to hear from someone who has actually done this. Obviously it would work hypothetically, but hypothetical and real world results are often different.


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: SB-2]
    #14714017 - 07/04/11 02:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the thing with uncolonized jars is that if its not fully colonized whos to say that the middle is colonized... and i do realize pint jars do take a long time to colonize, i know. but rye colonizes twice as fast for furture reference. 
anyways, u said u wanted to case with coir?
maybe take what ever colonized off that cake and spawn to coir is a better bet. cant gurantee anything..


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: SB-2]
    #14714056 - 07/04/11 02:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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the thing with uncolonized jars is that if its not fully colonized whos to say that the middle is colonized... and i do realize pint jars do take a long time to colonize, i know. but rye colonizes twice as fast for furture reference. 
anyways, u said u wanted to case with coir?
maybe take what ever colonized off that cake and spawn to coir is a better bet. cant gurantee anything..





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Would it be possible to birth a few of my pint jars early, wash off all the uncolonized substrate, and case this with coir?




I am also not sure how true the rye colonizing 2x as fast as cakes statement is...maybe in a quart or pint environment, but cakes usually win in my experience when doing half pint or smaller.

All my quart jars are rye berries. The PF jars were just to test the LC. I'll be using all rye from now on, got a huge bag at a garden store. I bought it twice in 7 months, and the second time I went there, she said nobody else had bought any. The owner asked me if I was growing mushrooms, winked, and sold me the 32lb bag for 15 bucks.


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: Anarchyfest]
    #14714365 - 07/04/11 05:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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the thing with uncolonized jars is that if its not fully colonized whos to say that the middle is colonized... and i do realize pint jars do take a long time to colonize, i know. but rye colonizes twice as fast for furture reference. 
anyways, u said u wanted to case with coir?
maybe take what ever colonized off that cake and spawn to coir is a better bet. cant gurantee anything..





actually its more likely that the middle will colinise before the outside goes complelty white. Mycelium grows in all directions and it will even go straight through to the other side.

Theres been quite a few jars ive had that 1 or 2 inoculatioin spots got no spores and i had mycelium grow right through to the other side. Ive also had mycelium pop through on the other side before the outside spread round.

ttheres also sometimes a misconception about waiting a week after full colinisation making sure its colinised the middle which is not true.

Personally i would just wait and let them colinise.

Also why would you case with coir? being that its a bulk substrate and not a casing layer. coir used as a casing layer tends to just colinise and become part of the substrate which defeats the purposeof having a casing layer.

Youd be better of spawning your cakes to the coir, letting in colinise then fruiting it as is.

If you want fruits faster, fruit the cakes as cakes.


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14714429 - 07/04/11 06:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ttheres also sometimes a misconception about waiting a week after full colinisation making sure its colinised the middle which is not true.:confused:

RR says to wait the week...is this not true anymore?

(Not to hijack your thread, but-) My buddy was wondering the same thing. Doesn't the extra week allow for more solid consolidation of the myc? He's almost at 100% and wouldn't mind birthing soon. Any response would be appreciated.


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: hyperjump69]
    #14714500 - 07/04/11 07:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you spawn it to coir you are just going to have to wait for it to fully col before it would fruit anyways. Your best bet would be to wash it off, dunk the chunks that are left and bith them as chunks. Wait, nevermind, your best bet would be to let them fully col lol. :cool:

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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: DeepSpace9]
    #14715705 - 07/04/11 01:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Again, I know my best bet is to wait for 100% colonization. I've been around the block a few times. :wink:

I usually case with a thin layer of coir and let the casing layer colonize, then flip the whole thing up on its side and prop it up with a pencil. Weird, I know, but my harvests off of 1qt casings done in this way have been outstanding. I got about 1 1/2 oz dry of very potent fruits last time I did one.

So, point is, I'll have PLENTY. I don't need to wait for optimal. Not looking to make any money, so these will be saved for me personally, and the supply will go bad before I finish it at this point anyway.

I'm going to try a half size casing with a few jars, and fruit some chunks from 2 others and see what happens. If this thread isn't updated in about a month with pics, someone PM me and tell me to update my damn thread.

On the note about waiting an extra week for colonization, no, it is not necessary. Thing is, you'll be waiting the extra week either way. Cakes will not fruit for about a week once they get to 100%. The mycelium needs time to mature a bit and start switching over to fruiting mode. If you let this happen inside the jar, you retain most of your moisture and protection against contaminants. If you let this happen outside your jar, it's just higher risk of contams for no reason IMO.


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Re: Birthing a pint PF jar before 100% colonization... [Re: SB-2]
    #14717420 - 07/04/11 08:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

10-4. Thanks for the advice.:thumbup:


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