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Offlineprecrecord
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PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!!
    #14714348 - 07/04/11 05:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hello shroomery.  I am posting this for my "friend" because he's too scared to do so.

He has two jars (brf) that are no more than 75-80% colonized, and one-inch pins have formed on the cakes.  Most posts on here are people having trouble with the bottom not colonizing.  This is not the case with him.  Bottom is completely colonized.  Both of his jars have a vertical section(an entire side) that is not colonized.  The one jar, mycelium is all throughout the substrate, but it is not thick on the one section. Its scattered lightly although you can see the substrate. It looks a little dry on that part... 

Everyone says to cut off the uncolonized part and dunk and roll... but what if there's mycelium spread thinly throughout even that one section?  Its been two days and no more colonization has occurred. The pins are just growing.

Would hee at risk if ihe birthed without dunk and roll, and just put the cakes into the fruiting chamber?  "He" is freaking out and doesn't want to ruin his first grow.


Thank you everyone

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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: precrecord]
    #14714369 - 07/04/11 05:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Water content problems probably. Same thing happened to me in my first grow. Not quit that bad tho, mine were at about 90% when the early pins appeared. My water content was too high because in had very coarse verm and didn't adjust my moisture content properly.

My 2 early pinners were 90 percent colonized and i just took em out and did the dunk en roll thing. Got 4 flushes out of them.

Pics would help with getting yours set right


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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: King Cap]
    #14714382 - 07/04/11 05:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I can try to get pics up later.  You think he shoud dunk and roll even with everything on there? Or cut the parts that are thinly colonized off?  Thanks for your quick reply

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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: precrecord]
    #14714387 - 07/04/11 06:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Also, did you run under the faucet before you dunked with the pins on there?

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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: precrecord]
    #14714438 - 07/04/11 06:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There was a spot about the size of a nickel. I just went for it, dunked and hoped fir the best. It worked out luckily. And quick reply is cause I stayed up all night tripping my ass off and preparing substrate. Acid and mycology mix well

Also I harvested the pins that were on it before dunking, they won't survive a dunk I don't think. And no faucet, straight into pot of water then roll in dry verm. Follow the instructions on www.mushroomsvideos.com ; for dunking rolling and everything


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Invisiblemr_squee
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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: King Cap]
    #14714978 - 07/04/11 10:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I had a similar thing with my second lot of pf cakes. 5 of the 9 cakes developed in vitro pins before full colonization but the other 4 did not.  I birthed, dunked (for 24h) and rolled the early pinning cakes and just rubbed off the uncolonized bits during the rinse stage (otherwise following RRs rinse,dunk,roll tek) The pins survived fine in place and they are now happily growing in my fc.  No aborts from the dunk/roll and the first in vitro pin is growing into my biggest fruit yet! 

One thing I did notice is that the cakes I was forced to birth early have continued to develop a very white fluffy & marshmallowy textured myc on to the verm layer whereas the fully colonized and consolidated cakes haven't done this - not sure why this is but it doesn't seem to be affecting their fruiting capability! :smile:

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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: mr_squee]
    #14715322 - 07/04/11 11:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks again for your help everyone. I did just that, and they're now dunked.  I also saw on a couple posts that if they have pins you shouldn't dunk for more than 10 hours.  I was only going to dunk them for 8 hours.  What are your opinions on this??

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Re: PLEASE HELP!! pins growing but substrate isnt completely covered!! [Re: precrecord]
    #14715700 - 07/04/11 01:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I can only report on my personal experience - I dunked cakes with in vitro pins for 24 hours and they were fine.  I made the decision to do that based on RRs advice on this thread.

This site can be confusing and I've seen lots of conflicting advice being dished out in my short time here, my personal solution is to use the Trusted Cultivators checkbox on the search page... really helps to separate the wheat from the chaff!

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