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Can only pressure cook at 10 psi
    #14712404 - 07/03/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I can only get my all-american pressure cooker up to 12,5 psi, i would like to be able to simply pressure cook at 10 psi, it would be ok for jars, but i wonder what pressure cooking time would you recommend for 5 quart large spawn bags?

could you also tell me if you have any idea why i cannot reach 15 psi? i use an american pressure cooker on the stove, is the heat not enough? if i keep the heat up, the steam escape from the side of the cooker, but if i turn it down the pressure goes down as well. should i wait until 15 psi then put it down? or should i heat it up to 10 psi then put on medium? please help me.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712413 - 07/03/11 07:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

3 hours

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14712417 - 07/03/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

wouldn't three hours be for 15 psi ?

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712438 - 07/03/11 07:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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wouldn't three hours be for 15 psi ?



I pc my bags stacked deep 2.25-2.5 hours at 15PSI

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712464 - 07/03/11 07:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

As you why your pressure cooker will not heat up all the way. Inspect your seal and make sure there are no cracks in it and it is still supple. If the seal is too old and dry it will not hold pressure well same as if you have a small crack or weak bit. Of course also make sure your PC is indeed rated to go to 15psi and that you are using the correct weight on top, this depends on model and should be explained in your manual. Some PC's other methods to control the psi but most use a weight on top.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14712471 - 07/03/11 07:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bad advice from people.
Get a new pc.  Your broken one is extremely dangerous. That steam escaping out the side means the metal is warped.
Do not use.
Possible explosive consequences, steam is dangerous as hell.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14712498 - 07/03/11 07:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

it's an all american pressure cooker. it is very new though, perhaps i broke it once while it burned without water. how could i be sure? it was quite an expansive purchase. replacing it will be hard. how do i make sure that it doesnt explode in my face? i really want to keep it.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart] * 1
    #14712519 - 07/03/11 07:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If it is an all american, make sure you're greasing the "metal to metal" surface or there might be a small leak.  Petroleum jelly will do the trick.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712520 - 07/03/11 07:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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perhaps i broke it once while it burned without water.




Yes, that's exactly how it breaks.
You can be sure it's broken by the steam escaping out the side where it's supposed to seal.
Which means that the metal could potentially crack while under further stress.
Order a new ring seal from AA, if that doesn't fix it, get a new PC and don't ever apply heat when it's dry. 
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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14712598 - 07/03/11 08:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Order a new ring seal from AA, if that doesn't fix it, get a new PC and don't ever apply heat when it's dry. 



No AA PC in AA PC history utilizes a seal ring made of rubber.  AA PC's and steroclaves alike are sealed metal to metal (cast aluminum to cast aluminum).  Any PC that utilizes rubber as a means to seal is most likely Chinese (a presto). 

OP, I'm not sure what the heck is causing your AA PC to not keep pressure.  My guess is that you'r not making sure the lid to the unit is evenly lined up before you bolt down the lid.  If the highest psi you can reach is 10, I wouldn't PC 5 quart spawn bags for less then 6 hours until you diagnose and fix the problem, or get a new PC.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712614 - 07/03/11 08:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have read in the manual that burning it dry will ruin the pc, and it did happen once since i have a hard time figuring out how to seal the pc with the wings. am i in grave danger if i use it at 10 psi?. i do twist the wings 2 at a time from an opposite side. but the first time i used the pressure cooker i didn't do that. and it burned dry. it shocks me because i have cooked 2 set of jars with it even if it was broken.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712645 - 07/03/11 08:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Have you greased?  Its not just a recommendation with these units, it's something you need to be doing especially in the first uses of the pc.  The metal will condition it's self over time.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712648 - 07/03/11 08:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I once forgot to put more water in my AA between runs, and ran it for a 2 hour cycle with 10 grain jars. They came out a little dry, and a little burnt, but I used the jars with no problem. Also, the PC still works. If steam is escaping from your pressure cooker on the side, you're sealing it wrong, period.


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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14712653 - 07/03/11 08:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's a
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No AA PC in AA PC history utilizes a seal ring made of rubber.  AA PC's and steroclaves alike are sealed metal to metal (cast aluminum to cast aluminum).  Any PC that utilizes rubber as a means to seal is most likely Chinese (a presto).




Oh, no shit. 
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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Masticore]
    #14712668 - 07/03/11 08:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

so what is the exact technique in order to seal it? i did grease it, but i didn't do it the first time, only the second time and on . there are some marks inside the cooker as in dark spots because of my failures.

I would like to know if i can still use it without the pc blowing up in my face, 10 psi is enough for me, but if i have to put it on for a longer time then does that mean i should put more water?

How much water do you exactly put in your pressure cooker? i had jars with foil on that sucked up the water mext to it because i put too much water, so i should aim in between. is it 2-3 inch?

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712691 - 07/03/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The over pressure valve will explode out before your pc does.  It's safe to try it again, but if you're losing steam from any where but the weighted stopper... you have a problem.  Turn it off and try again at resealing.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Zangarmarsh]
    #14712708 - 07/03/11 08:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The over pressure valve will explode out before your pc does.  It's safe to try it again, but if you're losing steam from any where but the weighted stopper... you have a problem.  Turn it off and try again at resealing.




Not necessarily if there's a compromised seal.
Don't use a broken pressure cooker.
The 100 times it works won't matter the one time it doesn't.
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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14712731 - 07/03/11 08:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Not necessarily if there's a compromised seal.
Don't use a broken pressure cooker.
The 100 times it works won't matter the one time it doesn't.
:badidea:




He's not going to build enough pressure if he's losing through the metal seal.  He's going to dry out first.

If he leaves his troubled PC while he should be observing it, then ya he he might go dry and super heat the metal.

We're expecting you not to do this.

2 inches up the side of the jar should be fine for a PC not losing excess.  You'll also need to place something, like a rolled towel, on top of the metal stopper once it begins to hit the 10-15psi.  Wait for it to hit the temp you require then adjust your heat (down) to maintain a 15psi.

If you leave the stopper bobbling like mad at 15psi, it is likely you'll lose too much water.

when you've weighted down the stopper, take a listen around the seal for hissing, look for tiny bubbles.  If you're seeing hearing anything, you still have a problem.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712748 - 07/03/11 08:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Replace the gasket or replace the PC.
Don't take chances with your grow or with your safety.


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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Zangarmarsh]
    #14712759 - 07/03/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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You'll also need to place something, like a rolled towel, on top of the metal stopper once it begins to hit the 10-15psi.




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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Zangarmarsh]
    #14712760 - 07/03/11 08:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i already dried out my pc once because my seal was bad and it runned out of water. is it completly ruined? some posters seems to hint that it would still be fine. i would not leave my pressure cooker out without observing it and lose water but how could i diagnose my pc to know if it is broken.

i have tried and tried to get an even seal without steam going out and keeping the psi at the required level. but it never works. how tight do you seal your wings? how do you center the metal lid?

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712772 - 07/03/11 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You already have diagnosed it.
Fix it or replace it if you want to ensure your safety.
No one likes their operation to be busted by the paramedics coming to get your ass to the hospital
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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14712774 - 07/03/11 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

^^^

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14712786 - 07/03/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you're made of money get a new one... send me the old one I have a use for it.

I don't think you should give up on it though.  They're tuff.  If you can't see any kind of physical warping.  I don't think you should just walk away from it.

unless you do have the money to burn.

I own three now, including the 75X.  My first one is beat to shit from the same rookie mistakes.  I still use it for LC jars.

If the people giving you advice are fearing a towel to hold the stopper on an AA machine... well fu fu is all I say.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14712843 - 07/03/11 09:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What I did when I first got my AA 921 pressure canner:
1: Put a thick layer of Vaseline around the lip of the lid of the pressure cooker, coating everything that could come in contact with the pot.
2: Pour water in, I usually use 3-4 quarts
3: Turn on your stove, It takes a while to heat up the cooker
4: Load the jars. Make sure you use the spacers that they provide.
5: Put the lid on. Make sure it is level as possible, this will help seal it up.
6: Lift up all the nuts that tighten the lid, so they're in their respective notches.
7: Tighten the nuts so they're loosely against the lid, doing opposite nuts simultaneously.
8: Simultaneously tighten opposing wingnuts down against the lid, going a few turns at a time and then moving on. I don't stop doing this until I can't turn the nuts at all anymore, even with all my strength. This is how I know that steam won't be escaping because the lid isn't fastened right.
9: Wait for steam to start escaping from the little valve that your rocker sits on. I do this without the rocker on, as per AA's instructions. once visible steam is escaping, I set a timer for 7 minutes.
10: When the timer goes off, I put the rocker on top of the valve. I check when putting it on that I'm on the 15PSI side (mine has 5, 10, and 15 PSI options) and double check after it's on that the 15 side is in the right place.
11: Wait until your valve reads 14-15 PSI and then start lowering the heat. I like my rocker to be hissing about 1/3 to 1/4 of the time it's on there, but you can go for less, as long as it stays at 15 PSI
12: Cook for the allotted time, then turn off the heat and let it cool overnight.
13: ???
14: PROFIT!

I've used my Cooker many times, and the past 10+ I haven't needed to put on the Vaseline, but I probably will when I next use it again just for good measure.

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Replace the gasket or replace the PC.
Don't take chances with your grow or with your safety.



It's AA, there's no gasket.
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You'll also need to place something, like a rolled towel, on top of the metal stopper once it begins to hit the 10-15psi.




:stupid:



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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Masticore]
    #14712931 - 07/03/11 09:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:smile: ok. point taken.
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What I did when I first got my AA 921 pressure canner:
1: Put a thick layer of Vaseline around the lip of the lid of the pressure cooker, coating everything that could come in contact with the pot.
2: Pour water in, I usually use 3-4 quarts
3: Turn on your stove, It takes a while to heat up the cooker
4: Load the jars. Make sure you use the spacers that they provide.
5: Put the lid on. Make sure it is level as possible, this will help seal it up.
6: Lift up all the nuts that tighten the lid, so they're in their respective notches.
7: Tighten the nuts so they're loosely against the lid, doing opposite nuts simultaneously.
8: Simultaneously tighten opposing wingnuts down against the lid, going a few turns at a time and then moving on. I don't stop doing this until I can't turn the nuts at all anymore, even with all my strength. This is how I know that steam won't be escaping because the lid isn't fastened right.
9: Wait for steam to start escaping from the little valve that your rocker sits on. I do this without the rocker on, as per AA's instructions. once visible steam is escaping, I set a timer for 7 minutes.
10: When the timer goes off, I put the rocker on top of the valve. I check when putting it on that I'm on the 15PSI side (mine has 5, 10, and 15 PSI options) and double check after it's on that the 15 side is in the right place.
11: Wait until your valve reads 14-15 PSI and then start lowering the heat. I like my rocker to be hissing about 1/3 to 1/4 of the time it's on there, but you can go for less, as long as it stays at 15 PSI
12: Cook for the allotted time, then turn off the heat and let it cool overnight.
13: ???
14: PROFIT!

I've used my Cooker many times, and the past 10+ I haven't needed to put on the Vaseline, but I probably will when I next use it again just for good measure.

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Replace the gasket or replace the PC.
Don't take chances with your grow or with your safety.



It's AA, there's no gasket.
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You'll also need to place something, like a rolled towel, on top of the metal stopper once it begins to hit the 10-15psi.




:stupid:



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i will try this once and get back to you guys, if i can reach 15 psi without steam going off the side of my pressure cooker, it means that it is still fine right?

ALso,it only starts venting once i have reached the maximum psi on the weight, i have read somewhere that steam going off from the side is normal when there is extra steam in the pc. is taht right?

Edited by communeart (07/03/11 09:45 PM)

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14713438 - 07/03/11 11:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

DONT USE THE PRESSURE COOKER.
DONT WRAP A TOWEL AROUND THE WEIGHT.
DONT JURY RIG A PC.
I SAID "STUPID"
HE AGREED THAT IT IS A STUPID IDEA
:boo:

Your shit is broken.

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: ISOfantastic]
    #14713512 - 07/03/11 11:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ok. i will follow your advice. now that i think about it, there are dark marks in the pressure cooker, does that mean it is warped metal?

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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: communeart]
    #14715204 - 07/04/11 11:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you're still asking questions at this point, you kneed to find someone who has worked with pressure cookers before and have them show you how to do it and let them tell you if it's working before you use any pressure cooker again.


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Re: Can only pressure cook at 10 psi [Re: Masticore]
    #14715262 - 07/04/11 11:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:laugh2:

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