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Pound of ketamine charges
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A friend of a friend got busted with a pound of ketamine in Illinois. Does anyone know what he is facing?
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges [Re: Linus]
#14712381 - 07/03/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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An endless procession of big black dick.
A pound? Fuck.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges [Re: blewmeanie]
#14712396 - 07/03/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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obvious question but it was already dried?
if it was still liquid he may have a chance to fight it.
but good chance they will throw the book at him.. and was he doing stupid shit when he got busted?
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges [Re: rackem]
#14712440 - 07/03/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread should really be moved over to the Security secion of the forum.
Active members there should be able to help answer your question.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges [Re: Linus]
#14712517 - 07/03/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey dude i hate to say this but....if he really got caught with a pound of ketamine....say goodbye to him, because you ain't going to be seeing him for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time

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ya hes gotta set up some big time mofos to get off. if he doesnt do that then you wont be seein him around for a long time. if ever again.
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Depending on priors, at least a couple years though I'd bet...
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges [Re: Linus]
#14712539 - 07/03/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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even if he does become an informant, he's still looking at serious jail time, they can't just let high level drug dealers walk free (even if he's not a drug dealer and it was bad luck he got caught with that, they will class him as a drug dealer just because of the sheer ammount he had)
if you get caught with a pound of powder , and it was actually yours and all that, theres no getting out of that... even if he informs, they might reduce his sentence, but its still a very high level narcotic offence and he is in big trouble dude...
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Linus]
#14724386 - 07/06/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Pub.
Reason: User request, way more fitting.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#14724816 - 07/06/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God dude what I'm reading is not looking good at all.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: smoke dank]
#14725818 - 07/06/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No. Please don't spread misinfo.
I found this site which just sounds terrible for the op's friend. Apparently in illinois they have class X felonies for drug dealers, and mandatory prison time is imposed to all, and there is no option for probation.
http://www.chicagocriminallaw.com/CM/LegalArticles/Class-X-Felony-Drug-Charges-in-Illinois.asp
Class X Felony Drug Charges in Illinois
Class X Felony Drug Charges in Illinois
Most drug charges in Illinois are felonies; class X drug felonies are the most serious drug crimes and carry significant mandatory minimum sentences. When possession charges for different drugs are combined or combined with weapons charges, a conviction can even result in a life sentence.
Class X Felony Drug Charges
Class X felony drug charges generally refer to possession with intent to manufacture or distribute drugs. It is not necessary for the state to prove that a defendant actually intended to traffic the drugs; intent is assumed based on the quantity of possession. Even someone with no prior drug convictions or charges may be charged with a class X felony based on the amount of drugs the person allegedly possessed.
It is a class X felony to possess 15 or more grams of heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, morphine, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) or any analog of these drugs. It is also a class X felony to possess 200 or more grams of most controlled substances, including but not limited to any substance containing peyote, a derivative of barbituric acid, amphetamine or any analog thereof. Additionally, possession of 30 grams or more of any substance containing pentazocine, methaqualone, phencyclidine (PCP), ketamine or any analog thereof is a class X felony.
Mandatory Imprisonment
Upon conviction of a class X felony, the defendant will be sentenced to serve prison time for a minimum of six years. Class X felony sentences for many drugs range from imprisonment for:
Six to 30 years for possession of 15 to less than 100 grams Nine to 40 years for possession of 100 to less than 400 grams 12 to 50 years for possession of 400 to less than 900 grams 15 to 60 years for possession of 900 or more grams
Even first-time offenders are not eligible for probation-only sentences and will serve prison time if convicted. Class X felonies also carry a fine up to $250,000. Another penalty of up to $500,000 or the street value of the drugs may be imposed in some cases.
Those who have been charged with a class X felony drug charge should speak with an experienced criminal defense lawyer to discuss what penalties they are likely to face if they plead guilty or are convicted of the specific crimes charged. In some cases, it may be possible to negotiate with the prosecutor to amend the charge to a lower offense, which is punishable by probation.
Now I don't know how credible this is..... I could actually be spreading misinfo too......but says here with the amount he had he's looking at 12-50 years mandatory
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
#14725956 - 07/06/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"15 to 60 years for possession of 900 or more grams."
Water weighs 1 kilogram per liter so a gallon (about 3.78 liters) would weigh 3780 grams. I would expect the weight of a gallon of K to be about the same weight as a gallon of water.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: Now I don't know how credible this is..... I could actually be spreading misinfo too......but says here with the amount he had he's looking at 12-50 years mandatory 
No you got that correct, he is definitely looking at a Class X felony.
He can probably plea it down and get 9 or 12 years.
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Holy fucking shit. This is fucking ridiculous. I don't know why he was stopped but it probably not even a real reason as it happened right outside of a festival. Im guessing just out of state plates and fucking judges on order to give warrants to search. 12- 15 tho, this is some college kid who's life will be ruined by this. This war on drugs needs to fucking end. I think he may have been with one other person hopefully they can split it down at the very least to a half pound. Goddam tho seriously this kids life is over, repeat KID.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Linus]
#14727501 - 07/06/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't want to sound judgemental or anything, and forgive me if this rubs you the wrong way,
but what the hell was he doing with a POUND of ketamine, ~450 grams. i mean c'mon thats just ridiculous. and driving around with it?? in the vacinity of a big festival?!?!? it seems like it's his fault for being careless and stupid.
please don't hate me for saying that, but it needed to be said.
i agree the war on drugs is ridiculous, and non violent drug offenders are being locked away for excessively long terms with hardened criminals. its not right.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Linus]
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Linus said: Holy fucking shit. This is fucking ridiculous.
Yes. A human tragedy and an awful use of tax dollars.
Consider volunteering or donating to the Drug Policy Alliance, they are only of the only groups that fight for the legalization of all drugs.
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I don't know why he was stopped but it probably not even a real reason as it happened right outside of a festival.
His only chance is to have the case dismissed due to an illegal search.
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12- 15 tho, this is some college kid who's life will be ruined by this.
President Jimmy Carter said that drug laws should not be more harmful than the drugs themselves, but no one listened to him.
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No you can't split the blame with someone else, all people get charged with the full weight.
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I'm not offended, he wasn't my friend, but yeah bad judgement. I'm more angry at the laws but I do have empathy for anyone who gets busted. I'm just shocked thats the law there. Thanks for letting me know tho vandago. Never even heard of a class x felony before.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
#14728309 - 07/06/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Neither have I until this thread, and I was shocked. Stay the hell out of illinois with drugs.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: Stay the hell out of illinois with drugs.
Also: don't show up at a festival with a felony amount of drugs unless you're shopping for a size 10 asshole.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14728362 - 07/06/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DosileFlynn said: but what the hell was he doing with a POUND of ketamine, ~450 grams. i mean c'mon thats just ridiculous. and driving around with it?? in the vacinity of a big festival?!?!? it seems like it's his fault for being careless and stupid. .
Exactly what I was going to say!!!
This guy fails basic drug common sense.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Also: don't show up at a festival with a felony amount of drugs unless you're shopping for a size 10 asshole.
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 this is more than felony amount. This is more like I want to wear a diaper for the rest of my life because my rim now resembles a rubber band amount.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: 2859558484]
#14728644 - 07/06/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Class X just blows my effin mind. This system is fucked.
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#14728664 - 07/06/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope it's the final flailings of the advocates of an obviously failing policy.
"Apparently putting non-violent offenders away for a long time doesn't work!" *SLAP* "Quiet, you fool! We just need to put them away for longer!"
The rational world will win this one eventually, we just need to remain free long enough to see the day.
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And while the drug war is wrong, pretending it doesn't exist is a grave mistake. Living in a world where you never get caught and things are how you think they should be could cost you the rest of your life.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#14728877 - 07/06/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep, i agree.
but at the same time, high level drug traffickers need to face heavy penalties. personal users, sure they should have their sentences decriminalized, but i mean, you can't let someone with 450 grams walk away with just a slap on the wrist. as much as i hate to say it, people who are dealing in large ammounts of drugs need to have prohibitive jail sentences looming over their head to steer the general population out of selling drugs in the first place.
it's not secret that drugs can be lucrative, if the penalties are dropped for high level trafficking, think of how much more drug/gang/mafia/murder/robbing/stealing issues there would be. it would actually make the problem worse in my opinion.
but something definately needs to be done and fast. this madness needs to end. legalize all or most drugs, remove the criminal elements from society. tax and licence the production and supply of these drugs. keep them as legal only to possess in ones home, and only to a certain point. keep prices very low to prevent any black market competition.
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do you grow all your drugs?
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: 2859558484]
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no, and i can see what your getting at. i understand that the drugs that one uses comes from someone who is taking the risk to provide that service. that is all well and good.
i'm just saying from a law enforcement/legal point of view, they can't just let people involved in high level narcotics offences walk away with light sentences. it is illegal to deter people from engaging in this activity, whether or not one sees it as right or wrong, it is illegal at the end of the day.
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used to be illegal for black people to sit at the front of the bus.... the good ole days
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: 2859558484]
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used to be legal for people to take drugs also
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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Ya I don't see how you can not be pro drug war, if you are pro locking dealers up because they are making money. Thats why people flocked over to America in the first place.......to make money and for the government to keep their greedy fucking hands out of it. So you agree that some peoples jobs are ok, but if you are busting your ass giving people drugs you should be locked up because an out dated consensus thinks it's wrong? All drugs should be made legal. Then there wouldn't be a market for high end dealers, no need to murder to get drugs, and organized crime........IT WOULDNT BE ILLEGAL......they have organized crime units now that arent illegal that run around with large amounts of drugs, weapons, and a HUGE lack of information.......police.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: vandago]
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i'm pro freedom, but i'm also a realist.
I think you may just be a little bit naive in invisioning us just all of a sudden appearing in this fantasy land of 100% legal drugs. that is not going to happen for a long time, if it ever happens, sadly.
the first step on the road the Legalization is Decriminailization. I'm not sure if you know the difference between the two, legalization means free reign and its completely free for one to use/sell/make/anything with that substance. Decriminilization means the activity is still illegal and policed, however when one is caught for doing this, they are not charged or put in court, but simply just made to pay fines. just like speeding and parking offences. it's still illegal and against the law, but it is tolerated and taxed.
it's no secret the drug USE is not the problem, but drug CRIME. take the drugs out of the situation for a moment to understand where i'm coming from. i'm not talking about people with jobs, i'm talking about people who devote their lives to crime. high level drug dealers are career criminals, regardless of drugs. career criminals regardless of their chosen field of crime, cannot be given free reign or light sentences, because that just encourages more crime to take place in the first place. i'm not talking about the 'yo werd up i sell quarters on da block yo' type of person, i'm talking about people like the guy in this thread, who get caught with pounds, kilos, who knows what. but big ammounst and big money. that will never be allowed to happen freely and will never be endorsed by the legal fraternity. Thats Reality, Vandago.
but i agree they need to remove the criminal element from the drug world, as i said before by decriminalizing and industrialising drugs. let the government control it and license it and run the black market out of business. although some people have said this might have worse effects on society , because organised crime wont just shut up shop and become security guards, they will look to other raquets to start making money, which could be even worse off. but thats another can of worms.
and in relation to your last point, the key distinction is that the police/raquet/gang/derogatory term etc are on the right side of the law and generally dont break the law. criminals and syndicates on the other hand, regardless of how righteous their work is and how little people they harm, are on the wrongside of the law.
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DosileFlynn said: but at the same time, high level drug traffickers need to face heavy penalties.
No! These are my friends! They do not need heavy penalties.
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but i mean, you can't let someone with 450 grams walk away with just a slap on the wrist.
Why not?
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as much as i hate to say it, people who are dealing in large ammounts of drugs need to have prohibitive jail sentences looming over their head to steer the general population out of selling drugs in the first place.
Why would you want to do that?
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it's not secret that drugs can be lucrative, if the penalties are dropped for high level trafficking, think of how much more drug/gang/mafia/murder/robbing/stealing issues there would be. it would actually make the problem worse in my opinion.
They should put people in jail for murder, not for selling chemicals that some conservative people don't like.
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No! These are my friends! They do not need heavy penalties.
i'm not sure if your being sarcastic or not there, but look, i'm not trying to sound heartless and de-humanize these people. i'm sure there are some great people who get caught up in the wrong things. but as i said before, remove the drug part from the equation, and view it as high level criminals. this is behaviour that the law has to discourage. thats the laws purpose, to encourage people to conform within the accepted boundaries put forward by the law (leaving aside the issue of whether the law acurately represents what is 'right' and 'wrong' for individuals).
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Why not?
same reason as above. it's high level criminal activity.
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Why would you want to do that?
personally i want drugs to be free just as much as the next person, but i also realise the prevailing mentality of the system. The system can't be seem to endorse criminality, or turn a blind eye to it, because that underpins everything the system stands for. its just flat out un-realistic to assume that high level criminality will ever be allowed to be freely engaged in, regardless of what type of crime. the law works to prevent crime, and does so by trying to scare people out of crimes with high sentences.
Maybe this is an all together fallible approach on a philosophical basis. and maybe the drug war has failed (which i think it has quite clearly). but regardless of these issues, this is the situation we are in now, and this is the establishments method of dealing with these sorts of activities. right or wrong, i understand why these measures are in place and why it is necessary. and to be blatantly honest it appears to be just about the only way they have to deal with these situations at current. something needs to change for sure.
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They should put people in jail for murder, not for selling chemicals that some conservative people don't like.
i agree also, and i think it is rather shocking if not depressing for one to do a bit of research and see just what crimes are on par with certain drug crimes. i.e. i think someone deduced that the OP's friend may be facing like 9-15 years or something. If you went through the criminal codes for the state of illinois and found some crimes that were on par with a 9-15 year sentence, you would be amazed if not extremely disapointed to see that a class x felony is on par with rape...agravated assault, manslaughter, multiple armed robberies (just guessing), etc etc.
i mean it's pretty clear that selling narcotics has no where near as much of a negative impact or is even anywhere near as criminal/dangerous/undesireable as some of the other mentioned categories. yet it is put on the same pedastal as these crimes.
And for what reason? because of an archaic system that hasn't learned to adapt and evolve in it's philosophies and methodologies? the establishment is falling far behind reality at this point in time, and something has to be done to make a change. whether that is re-thinking the way they sentence offenders for these crimes, legalization, decriminilzation, or who knows what. but something needs to be done, in my opinion.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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He should have dealt acid instead. According to that link, you can have up to 15 grams of LSD before it becomes a Class X Felony.
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OP did your friend snitch on himself
I think it's kind of funny when you thought they could split the sentence. I cringed as soon as you said there were two people in the car.
They'll get the story they need after hours of interviewing or nazi style interrogation them individually.
His best thing would have been saying he didn't know what it was and was given to him. Knowing how these cops work he probably already snitched himself out though.
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there is a possible out, although ridiculously remote in its probability of success. crimes have two elements, 'mens rae' - mental elements, and 'actus reus' - physical elements. both need to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt for a charge to be proven. so its possible he could argue that he was not aware of the drugs being there, they weren't his, etc... (but everyone says that). and sometimes this is overcome by the statutes plainly saying 'anyone caught with a quantity above this much is deemed to be trafficking' i.e.
it's probably a moot point as i'm sure just about everyone who has ever defended a drug charge has said raised it as a defence and probably with not too much success either.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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Ya, "I didn't know" just doesn't work.
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> it's high level criminal activity.
The only reason it is a "high level criminal activity" is because we have defined it as such. Nobody was harmed. No property was destroyed. There was no violence. There was no loss. There was no negligence. It was no different than driving around with a half-quart of water. Unfortunately, somebody has decided that some chemicals are extremely dangerous and that society must be protected from them while other drugs that are extremely dangerous (such as alcohol and nicotine) are fine to release into society. The double standard is staggering. Legalize all drugs. End prohibition. Let people be responsible for their own well being. Free the legal system to focus on real problems, such as violent crimes, thefts, and property damage rather than wasting their time prosecuting non-violent consensual crimes, such as drug use.
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Linus said: Holy fucking shit. This is fucking ridiculous.
Yes. A human tragedy and an awful use of tax dollars.
Consider volunteering or donating to the Drug Policy Alliance, they are only of the only groups that fight for the legalization of all drugs.
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I don't know why he was stopped but it probably not even a real reason as it happened right outside of a festival.
His only chance is to have the case dismissed due to an illegal search.
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12- 15 tho, this is some college kid who's life will be ruined by this.
President Jimmy Carter said that drug laws should not be more harmful than the drugs themselves, but no one listened to him.
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I think he may have been with one other person hopefully they can split it down at the very least to a half pound.
No you can't split the blame with someone else, all people get charged with the full weight.
Carter always had great ideas, but as you said no one listened to him and circumstance of the times contributed. He WASN'T a bad president in terms of ideas, but a terribly ineffective one because, as typical of Dems in that office, the other branches don't cooperate and he shown dem zero balls.
He's been one of the best ex-presidents, if not the best. Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he can get off on a technicality or something but these kinds of cases tend to be open/shut once they hit the courtroom. Even if he was with another person they can't split the charges, they would BOTH just eat the charge for a pound. I hope if this is the case he didn't put the other person in there, ruining another kids' life. At those kinds of weights a half-pound versus a pound probably would play about the same in court anyway, that's a lotta ketty-kat right there.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: 2859558484]
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i dont know what your getting at with that, but i mean, i think its important to have real aspirations or things that have a possibility of success given the current circumstances. i.e. " i want everything to be legal instantly " is similar to saying " i want to find atlantis ". i think it's important for ones goals to be targeted and on point, not just idley saying some far out and unrealistic goal that has little to no prospects of coming to fruitiion. i can want to be the next president if i want, but the chances are such that its just a pipe dream and thus there is not even any point of even thinking it in the first place.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: > it's high level criminal activity.
The only reason it is a "high level criminal activity" is because we have defined it as such. Nobody was harmed. No property was destroyed. There was no violence. There was no loss. There was no negligence. It was no different than driving around with a half-quart of water. Unfortunately, somebody has decided that some chemicals are extremely dangerous and that society must be protected from them while other drugs that are extremely dangerous (such as alcohol and nicotine) are fine to release into society. The double standard is staggering. Legalize all drugs. End prohibition. Let people be responsible for their own well being. Free the legal system to focus on real problems, such as violent crimes, thefts, and property damage rather than wasting their time prosecuting non-violent consensual crimes, such as drug use.

yeaup, no is getting hurt while I get high. The laws themselves create this criminal activity. People need to go out and rob and steal, be involved in shady activities in back allies cause they cannot get drugs threw legal leggit channels. We've created this problem. Not the drugs. If all drugs were sold out of vending machines freely availble at all times, in pure quantities, in a clean fashion, no one would get hurt, no one would be strung out and have to do horrible things in order to procure their drugs. Driving around with a lbs of ketamine is no more crazy then driving around with a doobie, besides the fact that it is illegal , the only crazy thing about it is the stiff penalties one faces or doing such things, if those penalties wouldnt exist there wouldnt be anything crazy about it. You are going about thinking the wrong way. This is what is fueling the mentality of most folk. This needs to change before any laws will change.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: snoot]
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me personally i don't see the illegality of the drugs as the problem; i see the black market and organized crime as the problem. and i hate to say it but the legislature will never act in a way that will strengthen organised crime. it just wont happen.
if you legalize the drugs , thats only a one point plan, and wont change anything. organized crime will stil reign supreme and will actually be strengthened by a move like that. sure it would be great to not have to worry about legal ramifications and drugs would be free to use, but there needs to be more then that.
the government needs to take over the drug market and force out the criminal elements from the black market. legitimize it as an industry, lower prices so organized crime is run out of the business. this way everyone wins. drugs are free for all to use, government gains both increased revenue and decreased expenses, and organized crime is significantly weakened. perfect policy in my eyes!
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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DosileFlynn said: me personally i don't see the illegality of the drugs as the problem; i see the black market and organized crime as the problem.
you fail to associate the two. Why is organized crime and the black market a problem? You dont see organized crime selling cardboard boxes, or ink toner.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: Linus]
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So, ill tell you exactly what is going to happen to your friend. Im from illinois, ive seen this shit happen several times over, and over again.
people that are dealing pounds of K, are the ones that decided to try and get rich quick.... because they usually dont have the effort and motivation to A) work a real job B) come up with their own idea.
So, after they look the hard charges in the face, they're going to take the easy way out of this one, the same way they tried to take the easy way to making a shit ton of money.
they are going to nark, roll, and otherwise flip other people to the cops. and then more than likely, they will think they beat the system, and start dealing again, and get busted... Again... and give more people to the cops.
i swear, ive been in the 'scene' for about 10 years in chicago, and this shit happens all day....
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: ZippoZ]
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ZippoZ said: So, ill tell you exactly what is going to happen to your friend. Im from illinois, ive seen this shit happen several times over, and over again.
people that are dealing pounds of K, are the ones that decided to try and get rich quick.... because they usually dont have the effort and motivation to A) work a real job B) come up with their own idea.
So, after they look the hard charges in the face, they're going to take the easy way out of this one, the same way they tried to take the easy way to making a shit ton of money.
they are going to nark, roll, and otherwise flip other people to the cops. and then more than likely, they will think they beat the system, and start dealing again, and get busted... Again... and give more people to the cops.
i swear, ive been in the 'scene' for about 10 years in chicago, and this shit happens all day....
happens alot in the midwest actually. people love to narc, its just what I assume most folks will do by default.
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I fuckin hate snitches.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: joshisstoned]
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been snitched out twice in my life, both times resulted in me being in jail for a minute till my lawyer came, both times I couldve put others in jail, both times I kept myself silent. I've learn alot both times, I guess if it happens a third time I have no one blame but myself.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: snoot]
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Wow, while K is a recreational drug, it is scheduled really fucking low so to have that type of punishment behind just 1 lb is ignorant. Plea bargain if there is even the slightest bit of doubt the shit will be thrown out or you're innocent.
You'd probably get less time for fucking killing someone. I've heard about alcoholics killing innocent people while driving drunk, and they get the same (or less) amount of time as 1 lb of K. 
Sad shit... although I can't help but wonder what people do that gets cops searching their vehicles. Having a grow op/dealing out of a house is one thing since people run their mouths, but myself and all of my good friends have never had our vehicles searched. Fuck, I've been pulled over three times in 14 years of driving.
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Re: Pound of ketamine charges (moved) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
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5HTSynaptrip said: Wow, while K is a recreational drug, it is scheduled really fucking low so to have that type of punishment behind just 1 lb is ignorant. Plea bargain if there is even the slightest bit of doubt the shit will be thrown out or you're innocent.
You'd probably get less time for fucking killing someone. I've heard about alcoholics killing innocent people while driving drunk, and they get the same (or less) amount of time as 1 lb of K. 
Sad shit... although I can't help but wonder what people do that gets cops searching their vehicles. Having a grow op/dealing out of a house is one thing since people run their mouths, but myself and all of my good friends have never had our vehicles searched. Fuck, I've been pulled over three times in 14 years of driving. 
Well he said it was near a festival, so my guess is that the kid was dressed like a "druggy", and probably acting weird.
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