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Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek)
    #1471001 - 04/18/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

This probably is not a new idea.

After injecting PF jars, hold horizontally and rotate so the inoculum is dispersed more around the jar.

This could drastically decrease colonization time.

There might be a need for a little more solution to be used, as the brf absorbs it up prety good.


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    #1471005 - 04/18/03 04:46 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Speeding colonization [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471011 - 04/18/03 04:50 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, if you use enuf solution it spreads out the inoculation points drastacally. So if you inoculated 2 holes and rotated, it would be like having hundreds more (depending on the amount of spores/mycelial fragments).


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Re: Speeding colonization [Re: no-tone]
    #1471013 - 04/18/03 04:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The more inoculation points, the faster the colonization.


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Re: Speeding colonization [Re: no-tone]
    #1471016 - 04/18/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Same idea as using WBS as opposed to Popcorn for spawn.


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Re: Speeding colonization [Re: no-tone]
    #1471017 - 04/18/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i for one have never seen this ingenious, easy simple technique.

have some shrooms :grin: 


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Re: Speeding colonization [Re: no-tone]
    #1471059 - 04/18/03 05:13 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

i will try this the next time jars need to be knocked up....good idea..


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: no-tone]
    #1471108 - 04/18/03 05:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


Very good idea. It definitely will help speed things up.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: Mike Elium]
    #1471121 - 04/18/03 05:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe its just me...but ive always done this.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: PDU]
    #1471143 - 04/18/03 05:48 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Well, now hopefully everyone else will too!  :laugh:


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: no-tone]
    #1471171 - 04/18/03 05:58 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Giving a quart jar of whole grains a damn good shake after inoculating works wonders too !  :grin: 


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    #1471202 - 04/18/03 06:07 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471249 - 04/18/03 06:25 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

but this can be done with 1/2 pint jars.




Whats stopping anyone from shaking a half pint jar ?


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471279 - 04/18/03 06:39 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

The gal pal finds if you use the tall 1/2 pints rather than the short fat ones and roll...you will have extremely fast colonization....9 days with proper incubation.


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    #1471287 - 04/18/03 06:43 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471393 - 04/18/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I am talking about PF style jars where you can't shake the substrate.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: no-tone]
    #1471396 - 04/18/03 07:36 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I was responding to BiOTeK in the last post.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471399 - 04/18/03 07:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

what my friends dog does is while he is injecting he slides the needle from one side to the next, thus spreading the spores out over a much larger surface and speading up colonization times.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) *DELETED* [Re: PDU]
    #1471400 - 04/18/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: fleshofgods]
    #1471407 - 04/18/03 07:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Same idea, except with this method there is circumferential (whoah) distribution.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471418 - 04/18/03 07:45 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I figure that the liquid inoculum will disperse well enough as it drips down the grain.

Couldn't hurt though!


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1471484 - 04/18/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I only inject once with grain jars.

I do however make kind of a spiral pattern when I'm squirting...


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1471510 - 04/18/03 08:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

well.. i like the idea.. no-tone.. do you think you could do a few jars without turning and with.. i would like to see the difference...and post the results...if not..maybe i could..


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: poke smot!]
    #1471570 - 04/18/03 08:37 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)


no tone great idea, makes sense. as far as tall 1/2 pints or wide mouth 1/2 pints i always found the wide mouth to colonize much faster.

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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: motaman]
    #1471579 - 04/18/03 08:40 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

check out this post motaman.

Thanks for all the kind words everyone!


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: SBTlauien]
    #1472681 - 04/19/03 06:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

You can shake a jar with grain substrate, the grain pieces move all around. PF type substrate does not move around easily when shaken.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: Mike Elium]
    #1472900 - 04/19/03 10:21 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Yea i'll probably try that with my 1/2pt jar of BRF/verm it's been 10days now and the jar is only about 1/4 the way finished in the colonization period.


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Re: Speeding colonization (no-tone's rotation tek) [Re: summitstealth]
    #1483539 - 04/22/03 06:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

What I meant was that BRF stays pretty solid and difficult to shake, compared to grain. Better to eventually give it some air to speed it up, safest when you have filter material over the holes.


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