Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Advice on adding nutrients...
    #14704394 - 07/01/11 10:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I read a post today discussing adding fertilizer to water to aide in fruiting. I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to add additional nutrients for the mycelium either in the water or in the substrate. Please do not try and tell me that fungi does not use nutrients. I'm looking for opinions on this topic, I'm not looking for someone to shut me down. As long as one keeps the carbon/nitrogen ratio at 17:1, couldn't one add nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium to either the water or the substrate to aide in fruiting? Obviously you would have to consider what nutrients are already being supplied and figure out the math... with percentages of each of the above being nitrogen:~ 2.5%, phosphorus:~ 5%, and potassium:~ 2.5%. I was thinking about adding this to a coir/verm mix for fruiting and either adding these nutrients in the water or the mix itself. Any thoughts...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14704554 - 07/01/11 11:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yea.

gypsum+coffee (grounds pasteurized for bulk and/or liquid for a soak).


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14704584 - 07/01/11 11:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the reply! That's interesting, I have read a little bit about using those. Unfortunately I do not drink coffee, but I was considering adding gypsum to my coir/verm for fruiting. I was considering using some sort of pure fertilizer from a hydroponics store (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, maybe calcium)... to keep everything controlled and concise. Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts about it?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14704618 - 07/01/11 11:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It may work.

I'd use 8oz of said supplement instead of 8oz of water. Boil it w/ the water & what not just like you would the standard water.

Damion5050's tek works fine by itself, but I add 1/4 of gypsum to boiling water to give it a bit of an extra boost.

coffee = nitrogen (+ over 200 other things)
gypsum = calcium carbonate

Just experiment w/ the ratios. You're going to need an isolate, but if you do it right, you'll have a nice little test on it.

I'm interested to see how a hydro-solution would react w/ mushis instead of a bit of water.


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14704650 - 07/01/11 11:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I read one of your previous posts about adding nutrients to water, and that makes sense that it would create other (bad) bacteria to grow, so adding the nutrients to the substrate with "enhanced water" might work. I will definitely try this after I have a little more experience, I am only on my second grow. But I will post my results when I do try this.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTranscendingLife
I Don't Need a Life to Live
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 21,627
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14704664 - 07/01/11 11:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

theallseeingeye said:
I read one of your previous posts about adding nutrients to water, and that makes sense that it would create other (bad) bacteria to grow, so adding the nutrients to the substrate with "enhanced water" might work. I will definitely try this after I have a little more experience, I am only on my second grow. But I will post my results when I do try this.




:orly: I wonder witch one :lmafo:

You just have to be careful w/ PH levels & too much easily colonized nutrients in your bulk.

I like your water idea though. Boiling is def. the way to go on it.

I've got a local hydroponics store & if yours works would def. invest in a bottle of it.


--------------------
AMU: We Quickly Answer Questions Here
"One must accept the probability of failure to experience the elation of success." - TranscendingLife
“A man of genius makes no mistakes; his errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
:sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop::wow:How I Do EVERYTHING:wow::sporedrop::sporedrop::mushroomgrow::sporedrop::sporedrop:
"Your vision will become clear only when you can look into your own heart…. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes."- Carl Jung
"Anything that can be done chemically can be done by other means."- William S. Burroughs
"You are as dead now as you will ever be" - Seth

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14704893 - 07/02/11 12:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Just a thought, if you added just a dash of hydrogen peroxide to the water in which the fogger is in, along with some nutrients would that allow for added nutrients to fruiting without causing bacteria build up in the water? I'm not sure how or if hydrogen peroxide affects various nutrients such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium though...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleeLShaMukO
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 1,724
Loc: far away
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14705423 - 07/02/11 05:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hydrogen peroxide



why do people always want to add this:picard:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleUnnamedGrower
The AMUiest
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/17/11
Posts: 7,146
Loc: I'll be where I'm at
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #14705530 - 07/02/11 06:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I would suggest you use a form of known mushroom Additives to your grow and learn to use ones that work before you start trying to make up your own

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblewildernessjunkie
Reshitivest
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/13/10
Posts: 8,118
Loc: HTTP 404 Not Found
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #14705543 - 07/02/11 06:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

eLShaMukO said:
Quote:

hydrogen peroxide



why do people always want to add this:picard:




Because when you first start out, its one of the main results you find, when you search for what you are looking for.

I found it when I was looking. As well as such other things that didnt help such as "The Rundown" and "Lazy Mofo's bag tek".

I just think its all part of the experience. Until the latest and greatest information is updated on this site we can expect the misinformation to continue.

:shrug: Just the way it is man. :pimp3:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleanonjon
Partially Right

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 6,322
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14705571 - 07/02/11 06:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There is no benefit to adding phosphorous or potassium. It's just not a limiting factor.

What you want is a nitrogen supplement in your bulk substrate like manure, guano, or coffee. And you don't want a nitrogen supp that is 100 percent water soluble like liquid fertilizers are. You'll increase the chance the tub will ferment on you, not to mention u can burn the substrate.

I don't understand why noobies want to experiment so badly before they even have a couple successful grows under their belt. It's like they want to fail first.


--------------------
The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.


:moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:    :moon:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRogerRabbitM
Bans for Pleasure
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14705659 - 07/02/11 07:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

theallseeingeye said:
I read a post today discussing adding fertilizer to water to aide in fruiting. I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to add additional nutrients for the mycelium either in the water or in the substrate. Please do not try and tell me that fungi does not use nutrients. I'm looking for opinions on this topic, I'm not looking for someone to shut me down.




If you don't want somebody to shut you down, just do your own experiments and then you'll shut yourself down.

Mycelium will get no benefit from adding hydroponic chemicals intended for growing plants.  That would be like you eating the engine of your car because you read that humans need iron in their blood.

Mushrooms get the food they need by consuming the substrate as solid food.  The metabolite produced by the mushroom mycelium as it digests solid food is a great fertilizer for plants though.

Additionally, you want the nutrient load at fruiting time to be very low.  This is the reason we get much better results by allowing the mycelium to consolidate a substrate prior to fruiting. The consolidation phase allows the mycelium to consume and digest most of the food within the substrate, leading to better performance with less 'nutes' rather than more.
RR


--------------------
Download Let's Grow Mushrooms



semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat

"I've never had a failed experiment.  I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work."
Thomas Edison

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14706761 - 07/02/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.

RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleUnnamedGrower
The AMUiest
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/17/11
Posts: 7,146
Loc: I'll be where I'm at
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14706768 - 07/02/11 01:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

theallseeingeye said:
Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.

RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.



I gave you a great link on adding nutrients and to what extent they can be safely added

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14706795 - 07/02/11 01:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the reply and the link. Sorry I was not directing my angry response towards one person in particular, it's just I was looking for some positive feed back on this forum, I do not see the point in telling people what you think works and hacking at their idea if you do not completely understand it. I'm not saying I completely understand it, because I don't I'm just here to learn. And I have looked at many of those additives, and a lot of them sound interesting and I plan on experimenting with them. I just thought it would be interesting to have exact concise nutrients so I could repeat an idealistic environment. I will just have to spend time experimenting and post the results I get.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleUnnamedGrower
The AMUiest
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/17/11
Posts: 7,146
Loc: I'll be where I'm at
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14706805 - 07/02/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

theallseeingeye said:
Thank you for the reply and the link. Sorry I was not directing my angry response towards one person in particular, it's just I was looking for some positive feed back on this forum, I do not see the point in telling people what you think works and hacking at their idea if you do not completely understand it. I'm not saying I completely understand it, because I don't I'm just here to learn. And I have looked at many of those additives, and a lot of them sound interesting and I plan on experimenting with them. I just thought it would be interesting to have exact concise nutrients so I could repeat an idealistic environment. I will just have to spend time experimenting and post the results I get.



Besides gypsum and mayb coffee the addition of these additives arent worth the effort of putting them in.  Go nuts and try whatever  have fun

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetheallseeingeye
Apprentice
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/01/11
Posts: 69
Last seen: 13 years, 4 months
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14706826 - 07/02/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I will have fun, and I will learn from it. Does anyone know what nutrients are key for mycelium during fruiting? I know nitrogen and carbon are important, anything else? I have been researching quite a bit and I cannot find a solid answer on what nutrients are key during fruiting. Also if anyone has a list of nutrients that are important for mycelium growth with percentages or something that would greatly be appreciated!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleanonjon
Partially Right

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 6,322
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14706839 - 07/02/11 02:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

theallseeingeye said:
Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.

RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.




Classic teenager response. My kids are like this. It drives me nuts.

Maybe none of us know a damn thing about enzymes and molecules and shit, but we do know what works and what doesn't work, FROM DIRECT OBSERVATION AND EXPERIENCE. From observation you will see that some of the largest, heaviest fruits come from substrates that seem to be rather dereft of nutritional value. Who cares if anyone knows why. It's an observation. Take it at face value and quit moaning about what db's we are.


--------------------
The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.


:moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:    :moon:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleuncle_rico
my own worst enemy
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 2,664
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: theallseeingeye]
    #14706891 - 07/02/11 02:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I like your experimental attitude ...

but .. here is my way of explaining what is going on (basically re-stating what I think RR wrote).

Mushrooms eat like we do, not like plants do.  Mushrooms digest their food.

So .. say we eat a bowl of stew and our body digests it and then later we want more nutrients so we pour stew over our bodies.  Doesn't work. Stew has to go in our mouths and into our stomachs to be digested.

Once the myc. digests its food and has consolidated and is in fruiting conditions .. adding more nutrients is like pouring stew over our bodies.

Hope I'm not all screwed up and that makes sense.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleanonjon
Partially Right

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 6,322
Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: uncle_rico]
    #14706909 - 07/02/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure it makes sense but it makes a great mental image.

mmmmmmmm SSStttteeeeewwwwwww on my beelly goood.
:tard:


--------------------
The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.


:moon:  :moon:  :moon:  :moon:    :moon:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: OlympusMyco.com No Unicorns Here—Just Quality Bags That Work   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore Bulk Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* adding nutrients Mwhod 2,266 4 06/12/02 04:52 AM
by _Lucid_
* Re: Adding nutrients to rye! paddoholland 1,077 2 04/24/01 06:45 AM
by paddoholland
* adding nutrients to the dunking water GestaltAssault 1,490 7 01/29/23 07:33 AM
by The Tao
* Adding nutrients to dunk water? ChopperDave 2,054 3 08/20/03 10:46 PM
by MycoCakeEater
* Another note on adding nutrients to jars... JohnnyRespect 968 2 04/30/03 12:28 AM
by Jon_Doe
* Hydrogen Peroxide tripndicular 3,483 16 09/04/02 03:52 PM
by soochi
* nutrients tuna 1,924 6 11/15/03 03:00 PM
by enimatpyrt
* straw nutrients carbonhoots 675 1 09/13/01 07:54 PM
by bluhoney

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
3,941 topic views. 29 members, 195 guests and 40 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2025 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.024 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.