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theallseeingeye
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Advice on adding nutrients...
#14704394 - 07/01/11 10:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read a post today discussing adding fertilizer to water to aide in fruiting. I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to add additional nutrients for the mycelium either in the water or in the substrate. Please do not try and tell me that fungi does not use nutrients. I'm looking for opinions on this topic, I'm not looking for someone to shut me down. As long as one keeps the carbon/nitrogen ratio at 17:1, couldn't one add nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium to either the water or the substrate to aide in fruiting? Obviously you would have to consider what nutrients are already being supplied and figure out the math... with percentages of each of the above being nitrogen:~ 2.5%, phosphorus:~ 5%, and potassium:~ 2.5%. I was thinking about adding this to a coir/verm mix for fruiting and either adding these nutrients in the water or the mix itself. Any thoughts...
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yea.
gypsum+coffee (grounds pasteurized for bulk and/or liquid for a soak).
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Thanks for the reply! That's interesting, I have read a little bit about using those. Unfortunately I do not drink coffee, but I was considering adding gypsum to my coir/verm for fruiting. I was considering using some sort of pure fertilizer from a hydroponics store (nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, maybe calcium)... to keep everything controlled and concise. Has anyone tried this, or have any thoughts about it?
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It may work.
I'd use 8oz of said supplement instead of 8oz of water. Boil it w/ the water & what not just like you would the standard water.
Damion5050's tek works fine by itself, but I add 1/4 of gypsum to boiling water to give it a bit of an extra boost.
coffee = nitrogen (+ over 200 other things) gypsum = calcium carbonate
Just experiment w/ the ratios. You're going to need an isolate, but if you do it right, you'll have a nice little test on it.
I'm interested to see how a hydro-solution would react w/ mushis instead of a bit of water.
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I read one of your previous posts about adding nutrients to water, and that makes sense that it would create other (bad) bacteria to grow, so adding the nutrients to the substrate with "enhanced water" might work. I will definitely try this after I have a little more experience, I am only on my second grow. But I will post my results when I do try this.
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theallseeingeye said: I read one of your previous posts about adding nutrients to water, and that makes sense that it would create other (bad) bacteria to grow, so adding the nutrients to the substrate with "enhanced water" might work. I will definitely try this after I have a little more experience, I am only on my second grow. But I will post my results when I do try this.
I wonder witch one 
You just have to be careful w/ PH levels & too much easily colonized nutrients in your bulk.
I like your water idea though. Boiling is def. the way to go on it.
I've got a local hydroponics store & if yours works would def. invest in a bottle of it.
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Just a thought, if you added just a dash of hydrogen peroxide to the water in which the fogger is in, along with some nutrients would that allow for added nutrients to fruiting without causing bacteria build up in the water? I'm not sure how or if hydrogen peroxide affects various nutrients such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium though...
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hydrogen peroxide
why do people always want to add this
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14705530 - 07/02/11 06:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would suggest you use a form of known mushroom Additives to your grow and learn to use ones that work before you start trying to make up your own
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14705543 - 07/02/11 06:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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hydrogen peroxide
why do people always want to add this
Because when you first start out, its one of the main results you find, when you search for what you are looking for.
I found it when I was looking. As well as such other things that didnt help such as "The Rundown" and "Lazy Mofo's bag tek".
I just think its all part of the experience. Until the latest and greatest information is updated on this site we can expect the misinformation to continue.
Just the way it is man.
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There is no benefit to adding phosphorous or potassium. It's just not a limiting factor.
What you want is a nitrogen supplement in your bulk substrate like manure, guano, or coffee. And you don't want a nitrogen supp that is 100 percent water soluble like liquid fertilizers are. You'll increase the chance the tub will ferment on you, not to mention u can burn the substrate.
I don't understand why noobies want to experiment so badly before they even have a couple successful grows under their belt. It's like they want to fail first.
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theallseeingeye said: I read a post today discussing adding fertilizer to water to aide in fruiting. I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to add additional nutrients for the mycelium either in the water or in the substrate. Please do not try and tell me that fungi does not use nutrients. I'm looking for opinions on this topic, I'm not looking for someone to shut me down.
If you don't want somebody to shut you down, just do your own experiments and then you'll shut yourself down.
Mycelium will get no benefit from adding hydroponic chemicals intended for growing plants. That would be like you eating the engine of your car because you read that humans need iron in their blood.
Mushrooms get the food they need by consuming the substrate as solid food. The metabolite produced by the mushroom mycelium as it digests solid food is a great fertilizer for plants though.
Additionally, you want the nutrient load at fruiting time to be very low. This is the reason we get much better results by allowing the mycelium to consolidate a substrate prior to fruiting. The consolidation phase allows the mycelium to consume and digest most of the food within the substrate, leading to better performance with less 'nutes' rather than more. RR
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14706761 - 07/02/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.
RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.
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theallseeingeye said: Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.
RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.
I gave you a great link on adding nutrients and to what extent they can be safely added
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Thank you for the reply and the link. Sorry I was not directing my angry response towards one person in particular, it's just I was looking for some positive feed back on this forum, I do not see the point in telling people what you think works and hacking at their idea if you do not completely understand it. I'm not saying I completely understand it, because I don't I'm just here to learn. And I have looked at many of those additives, and a lot of them sound interesting and I plan on experimenting with them. I just thought it would be interesting to have exact concise nutrients so I could repeat an idealistic environment. I will just have to spend time experimenting and post the results I get.
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theallseeingeye said: Thank you for the reply and the link. Sorry I was not directing my angry response towards one person in particular, it's just I was looking for some positive feed back on this forum, I do not see the point in telling people what you think works and hacking at their idea if you do not completely understand it. I'm not saying I completely understand it, because I don't I'm just here to learn. And I have looked at many of those additives, and a lot of them sound interesting and I plan on experimenting with them. I just thought it would be interesting to have exact concise nutrients so I could repeat an idealistic environment. I will just have to spend time experimenting and post the results I get.
Besides gypsum and mayb coffee the addition of these additives arent worth the effort of putting them in. Go nuts and try whatever have fun
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I will have fun, and I will learn from it. Does anyone know what nutrients are key for mycelium during fruiting? I know nitrogen and carbon are important, anything else? I have been researching quite a bit and I cannot find a solid answer on what nutrients are key during fruiting. Also if anyone has a list of nutrients that are important for mycelium growth with percentages or something that would greatly be appreciated!
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theallseeingeye said: Damn. Everyone is self righteous. People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experiment, I was just seeing if anyone had any positive opinions. I will not shut myself down, I will learn and all everyone seems to be doing is saying new things won't work because they have not tried it. Jeez people are harsh on here.
RR, just curious is the only reason you want the nutrient level to be low at fruiting is that so no other contaminants grow? Or what is your reasoning for that? Mushrooms do need nutrients for fruiting, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the mycelium secrete enzymes to break down organic material and in turn stores those nutrients and once enough nutrients are stored the mycelium begins to fruit... so don't you need nutrients during fruiting? I was just wondering what nutrients would be most beneficial at this point and I want to add nutrients without adding food from stores that have numerous other chemicals and what not in them. And from my perspective hydrogen peroxide is great at killing bacteria, but it doesn't harm mycelium at the fruiting stage because it has enzymes built up to break down the hydrogen peroxide to create hydrogen and oxygen. I am so frustrated at how closed minded people are, I just wanted friendly advice, not to be attacked. What is the purpose of making fun of people for asking questions that they don't know the entire answer to? If you ask me that is pretty shallow to rip on people with new ideas, you can give someone helpful critiques without being a douche.
Classic teenager response. My kids are like this. It drives me nuts.
Maybe none of us know a damn thing about enzymes and molecules and shit, but we do know what works and what doesn't work, FROM DIRECT OBSERVATION AND EXPERIENCE. From observation you will see that some of the largest, heaviest fruits come from substrates that seem to be rather dereft of nutritional value. Who cares if anyone knows why. It's an observation. Take it at face value and quit moaning about what db's we are.
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I like your experimental attitude ...
but .. here is my way of explaining what is going on (basically re-stating what I think RR wrote).
Mushrooms eat like we do, not like plants do. Mushrooms digest their food.
So .. say we eat a bowl of stew and our body digests it and then later we want more nutrients so we pour stew over our bodies. Doesn't work. Stew has to go in our mouths and into our stomachs to be digested.
Once the myc. digests its food and has consolidated and is in fruiting conditions .. adding more nutrients is like pouring stew over our bodies.
Hope I'm not all screwed up and that makes sense.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: uncle_rico]
#14706909 - 07/02/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure it makes sense but it makes a great mental image.
mmmmmmmm SSStttteeeeewwwwwww on my beelly goood.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: anonjon]
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anonjon: I think you are being judgmental and it sounds slightly ignorant that you don't care how things work, just that they work. So how do you know that a new idea might work better unless you try? I am just putting my thoughts out there and seeing if anyone has good advice, not judgmental ignorant remarks. The way you think drives me nuts... I believe it is better to question things rather to just accept something someone told me. I am not moaning about anything, do you know the definition of moaning? Does it sound like I am in sorrow or pain? No. I am frustrated at ignorant responses, maybe. I am mostly excited though about learning about mycology. I know how to get good flushes, I have, and I have only been doing this for a couple months. I have observed my projects, and I am building experience. I am just looking for improvement. Why is one of the most important questions a person can ask, it allows one to understand a topic, not just know what the topic is. Sorry I do not want to be ignorant, but rather enlightened. I would appreciate it if you did not comment on my posts, you do not seem to be of much help to me. I can read, and I know many of the teks out there, so I don't need someone to repeat what I have already read. I am looking for new info to improve on old methods. And if I cannot improve on those methods at least I will have tried and hopefully I will be able to understand why I cannot improve on the current methods (if I can't, but I am very persistent).
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theallseeingeye said: Thank you for the reply and the link. Sorry I was not directing my angry response towards one person in particular, it's just I was looking for some positive feed back on this forum, I do not see the point in telling people what you think works and hacking at their idea if you do not completely understand it. I'm not saying I completely understand it, because I don't I'm just here to learn. And I have looked at many of those additives, and a lot of them sound interesting and I plan on experimenting with them. I just thought it would be interesting to have exact concise nutrients so I could repeat an idealistic environment. I will just have to spend time experimenting and post the results I get.
We do understand, its like you asking what plant food to add to your own diet to make you healthier. Thats not what mushrooms eat. It has been tried by many people over the years. The results are always the same, worse results then without the plant foods or nothing at all. Mushrooms eat solid food. Experiment all you want, but you should expect if you post stuff like this that anyone with any experience is going to give you this answer. Unless you just want people who have no experience in doing it to tell you, "Sure try this and that and this and that"
Oh and gypsum is calcium sulfate, not calcium carbonate (chalk) as someone said.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: scatmanrav]
#14707542 - 07/02/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is like saying people shouldn't take vitamin pills... seriously? I want to provide the mushrooms with the correct nutrients, and only the nutrients they need as well as providing an ideal environment. I believe it is possible to enhance certain foods that we give the mushrooms, maybe people just haven't gone about it in the right way, I haven't seen any methods on which I am thinking about. So I will experiment. And people with what experience are going to give me that answer? People without experience in trying what I am going to try and only experience in doing what works? I am not going to stop posting my ideas on here, just because some people will try and shut me down, I will just weed out the answers I am looking for, and I should probably stop wasting my time trying to make an argument without support to back it up, but once I have my data I will come back to this question with my results.
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You dont have data of failures, thats why nobody provides any. I'm telling you over the years I have seen probably 40-50 people say the EXACT same things you are. Never hear ONE success out of any of them. Thats data.
People take vitamins, how much plant food is in there? Vitamins are meant for people. There are many "vitamins" for your mushrooms. They include coffee grounds, castings, calcium, sulfite, grains and fiber.
Will you be trying to crush up vitamins and mix them in your substrate next?
If you post ideas without any data to back them up, expect them to be trampled on.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: scatmanrav]
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Sorry for having more hope for this forum in the sense of support and advice with biological backup, not just experience from what you or others tried, I don't know what they did and how persistent they were, it takes time to develop new ideas which I am willing to try. I don't really care for your sarcastic remarks and I have not had any failures in mycology yet. I assume I will when I start experimenting but I will test multiple ways and I know how to follow a scientific procedure. With all the negative feed back I am getting with hardly any scientific proof to back up what everyone has said I doubt the people that you heard trying to add nutrients did not go about it in the right way and were not persistent. Patience is a virtue, especially when dealing with mycology, and even more so experimenting with new ideas. So I want to close this post, unless anyone has scientific proof and data that adding the correct nutrients will not work. Otherwise I gladly welcome support and any ideas, of course with some reasoning... Thank you.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: scatmanrav]
#14707749 - 07/02/11 06:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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People do what they know works, great. That is boring, I can do what works. And I am, but on the side I want to experimentQuote:
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I am getting with hardly any scientific proof to back up what everyone has said I doubt the people that you heard trying to add nutrients did not go about it in the right way and were not persistent.
i would be to make scientific papers of things that have failed.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
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If you want to determine which additional nutrients may be beneficial in a scientific manner, you should prepare an experiment where you control genetics, moisture, light, and fresh air, varying only one additive at time (preferably several trials to verify results).
If you want to throw random shit in, go for it. But don't expect people to give you the "opinions" you want.
That said, mushrooms will not respond well (if at all) to plant food. They do not obtain nutrition via photosynthesis and do not have very similar cell structures, therefore there is very little that helps plants that will help mushrooms.
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: Crushed]
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It is becoming humorous reading these responses. I know how to keep a scientific study controlled, I have won numerous science fairs and discovered new ideas of doing things. I will not be throwing random shit in my experiment. And no shit mushrooms don't obtain nutrition via photosynthesis, but they do need light to get vitamin d which allows them to absorb other nutrients. And it is false to say that there is very little that helps plants that will help mushrooms, that is quite ignorant mushrooms use many of the same things plants do just in different ways. Anyways I specifically said do not respond unless you are going to be helpful and have new info... so why would you respond?
Jeez...
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You need to use an isolate to get the best scientific comparision
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True. I am working on that now, but it will take time before I can start this experiment (waiting for an isolate), I am just in the process of thinking about my idea scientifically. I have plenty of time to think before I can start experimenting, I'm sure I will at least learn a few things along the way and that is what science is all about.
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I never said you had failures, I said 40 or 50 others have tried and failed. What scientific proof do you want? The exact amount of everything a mushroom needs? No one knows exactly, there is no proof because there is no way to have any. No one is taking the optimal substrate and putting it into a machine to tell you exactly what chemicals are in it, because no one has access to those machines. So if you want to set up the experiment with all the controls and try to document it, you could probably write a book on it. Even the people who have written books on cubensis wouldnt be able to answer your question.
Good luck.
How can you get any better then horse poo and bird seed?
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Mushroom nutrients are organic matter, like rice flour or grains.
Plant nutrients are minerals like nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium.
It's completely different but we use the same word, nutrients, so it's confusing.
But it's different.
So, no, using plant nutrients will not help mushrooms.
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I'm justing going to drop the topic, and post results when I experiment.
Anyways...
Wow scatmanrav, is that pic your flush? beautiful. So do you use horse poo and bird seed? did you use an isolate strain? Congrats, I hope my upcoming flushes look like that! I just started using aluminum bins about that size along with the addition of coir to my fruiting substrate.
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No I didnt isolate the strain. Its just MS, tested and split off using G2G. Good genetics is what you need to worry about instead of spending alot of time to find out you cant really fit any more mushrooms on the substrate if you do it right. And its easy to do, with just rye cased with coir/verm:
     
Or WBS with coir/verm/gypsum substrate:
   
Rye mixed with horse manure/verm with a bit of coir and gypsum always gave me the best flushes:
       
And they come big too:
    
If it aint broke why fix it?
You have to understand, we come on here and say these things so future newbies dont search and drag up this thread and think its a good idea. Even if its possible (which mushrooms digest solid food matter over time before fruiting, then fruit and dont need anymore NPK then they get from what they digest) there are far more important things to work on. Good genetics and growing conditions are far more important then what you grow them on.
Fungus thrives on the rotting trash of mother nature, thats whats so great about it, you can grow alot of mushrooms on trash (manure, sawdust, old paper) and this is what they thrive on.
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theallseeingeye said: anonjon: I think you are being judgmental and it sounds slightly ignorant that you don't care how things work, just that they work. So how do you know that a new idea might work better unless you try? I am just putting my thoughts out there and seeing if anyone has good advice, not judgmental ignorant remarks. The way you think drives me nuts... I believe it is better to question things rather to just accept something someone told me. I am not moaning about anything, do you know the definition of moaning? Does it sound like I am in sorrow or pain? No. I am frustrated at ignorant responses, maybe. I am mostly excited though about learning about mycology. I know how to get good flushes, I have, and I have only been doing this for a couple months. I have observed my projects, and I am building experience. I am just looking for improvement. Why is one of the most important questions a person can ask, it allows one to understand a topic, not just know what the topic is. Sorry I do not want to be ignorant, but rather enlightened. I would appreciate it if you did not comment on my posts, you do not seem to be of much help to me. I can read, and I know many of the teks out there, so I don't need someone to repeat what I have already read. I am looking for new info to improve on old methods. And if I cannot improve on those methods at least I will have tried and hopefully I will be able to understand why I cannot improve on the current methods (if I can't, but I am very persistent).
You just want someone to tell you what a genius you are for your experiments despite the fact you don't even have any of the fundamentals down.
And when someone tries to share something with you from their experience, you get self-righteous and demand that they explain themselves and go off about how they might be wrong on the basis of your deductive reasoning.
You are a clueless teenager wanting to reinvent the wheel. There's at least one a week passing thru here.
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eLShaMukO



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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: anonjon]
#14715939 - 07/04/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You just want someone to tell you what a genius you are for your experiments despite the fact you don't even have any of the fundamentals down.
dont say thatm he'll want a scientific paper for that to
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I would appreciate it if you did not comment on my posts
no problem with that over and out Mr science fair.
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anonjon
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14715966 - 07/04/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's what the ignore feature is for.
4 people are ignoring me.
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theallseeingeye
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: anonjon]
#14716036 - 07/04/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am not looking for anyone to tell me I am a genius, I don't think I am a genius. What fundamentals don't I have down? How can you judge me if you do not even know me, or what I know? I am not a clueless teenager and I am not going to begin to explain to you why I am not because it is pointless arguing with you. I love advice, I learn quite a bit from advice, sorry I like to know why things work, that is just me. I don't appreciate someone ripping on me just because they can. To me that is messed up. What good does belittling another person do? Does it help your ego? I want advice, and thank you for your advice I just do not appreciate the way some people communicate. And since I cannot change that, I will just ignore people who cannot give humble advice. And, the nutrients I am looking into experimenting with are used in hydroponics yes, but guess what, do you know where those nutrients they get come from? Organic material like oyster shells and limes and what not... things many people use to aide in the cultivation of mushrooms.
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theallseeingeye
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scatmanrav, thanks for the advice. It looks like you have your mushroom cultivation techniques down. And I am working on getting good genetics, and once I find some I like I hope to isolate and clone.
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scatmanrav
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Most of those are after I was only growing for 1-12 months (7 years ago). It really doesnt take much, cubensis really dont need much to preform to 100% capacity.
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theallseeingeye
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Re: Advice on adding nutrients... [Re: scatmanrav]
#14719298 - 07/05/11 07:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, well I'm using BRF right now and getting ok results, I think I will try and find some rye (grain/berries) and use that.
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