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OfflineJohnnyRespect
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Psilocybian development and production
    #1470390 - 04/18/03 09:38 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Greets,
Could anyone explain the process that the shrooms undergo to produce psilocybian?  In growing pot their is alot to be said for understanding how the plant produces THC, so you can optimize grow conditions.  When is the psilocybian at it's "peak", when does it begin to deteriorate? Does it only produce psilocyin, which is then degraded to psilocybian?  Any info would be great :smile: thanks!


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1470437 - 04/18/03 09:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

All your questions and many more are answered in the FAQ:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/faq.php

-Diploid


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1470448 - 04/18/03 09:56 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Although not an expert on the subject, I'll throw out a few bits of information, although I'm sure Anno will come and crush my dreams of being right :smile:

From what I understand, the fungus processes trypamines found in the substrate into psilocybin and psilocin (other stuff too). The reason for this is unknown. Psilocin is actually the product of psilocybin degrading, not the other way around. However, it is evidenced that the fungus produces both chemicals, because when trypamines are added to the substrate there are increased levels of psilocin, but not psilocybin.

The common belief is that psilocybin production begins to decline once the veil tears. Its not that the fungus stops producing it all together, just that it grows more then it produces the desired chemicals.

Deterioration is caused by enzymatic break-down of psilocybin to psilocin and oxidization of psilocin. Heat, UV light, and the presence of oxygen and moisture all add to both of these processes and should be avoided.

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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1472589 - 04/19/03 12:57 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

It take it you are talking about P. Cubensis..
And yes i think you are right in what you say.

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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1472698 - 04/19/03 04:28 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

it kinda sucks, ive been searching for the in depth chemical flow chart for psilocybian mushrooms for months and months, i've concluded no one has done any significant research, and provided it on the internet... if someone knows of any, please share!


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1472854 - 04/19/03 07:00 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

. However, it is evidenced that the fungus produces both chemicals, because when trypamines are added to the substrate there are increased levels of psilocin, but not psilocybin.

jssmthrfcknchrst




If adding tryptamines increases levels of psilocin, why isn't this a normal procedure?


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OfflineJssMthrFcknChrst
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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: ministry]
    #1472886 - 04/19/03 07:15 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Adding significant amounts of trypamines is difficult. Plant material containing trypamines may be used, however it takes up space that could be used for more nutritional substrate. Trypamine HCl, the raw chemical form, is prohibitively expensive. Not to mention that psilocin breaks down easier, and is quickly lost if the mushrooms are not eaten fresh.


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1472942 - 04/19/03 07:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: Anno]
    #1473052 - 04/19/03 08:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

At least you didn't directly contridict me, Anno! Yea!, first time this week in cult :smile:


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1473282 - 04/19/03 10:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Is tryptamine HCL legal or no? probably should have started a new thread for this, sorry :0

Pz


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1473288 - 04/19/03 10:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that it is legal, however watched because it can be used in the synthesis of many typamine based drugs (DMT, psilocybin, etc...) Someone feel free to contradict me if I am mistaken...

There is some teks around here that show how to sythensize trypamine from other more common sources.


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1473333 - 04/19/03 10:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Isnt there a very small amount of DMT already developed in mushrooms?? Ill look for a like where i saw this.


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1478116 - 04/21/03 10:21 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

There is some teks around here that show how to sythensize trypamine from other more common sources.




Yeah, in this thread I reference some documents on decarboxylation of tryptophan into tryptamine. I believe this is a decomposition, not a synthesis, I mention this only because you ask to be corrected. These techniques require some lab knowledge and probably some basic lab equipment but the chemicals can be obtained over the counter.

I also talk about my friend's idea of adding tryptophan to pasteurized substrates with the theory being that the beneficial organisms left after pastuerization will decarboxylate the tryptophan for you. Even if this doesn't work so well, the mycelium can and will use the tryptophan to produce more psilocin and psilocybin. In Gartz's study, radioactively tagged tryptamine was shown to be the basis for at least 22% of the psilocybin present. Tryptophan can be used as a precursor substrate additive and is less watched / expensive as tryptamine. I give more detail in the thread linked above, check it out.


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: psyphon]
    #1478207 - 04/21/03 12:12 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

you dont mind sayin which counter you buy the stuff over do you???


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Re: Psilocybian development and production [Re: jakeholman]
    #1480224 - 04/22/03 05:05 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Did you even look at the thread I linked to and the links within it? If you're not gonna put some effort in, it just shows you wouldn't be able to carry out the procedure anyway.

And why does everyone wanna do the work themselves? Just let nature do it, the actinomyces and the mycelium will decarboxylate the tryptophan during colonization of pasteurized substrate.


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