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bostonjoey
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ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? *DELETED*
#14703599 - 07/01/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Post deleted by bostonjoeyReason for deletion: Answered
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
#14703837 - 07/01/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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It has a 100% chance of not working.mushrooms don't take in nutrients like plants they are decomposers
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14703903 - 07/01/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: mushrooms don't take in nutrients like plants they are decomposers
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: k00laid]
#14704021 - 07/01/11 09:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't fungus secrete enzymes into its environment to digest organic substances, thus absorbing nutrients? When the myc stores enough nutrients it begins to fruit... right? So, in theory, couldn't one add nutrients into the water to aide in giving it enough nutrients to fruit better and faster? I would definitely give this a try, if not, I am certainly interested!
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: LayinUp]
#14704583 - 07/01/11 11:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't own a fogger so feel free to correct me, but I seem to remember seeing other members post about how important using pure water is, as any contaminants build up quickly and damage the device (to the point that hard tap water could cause problems). If this is true, adding nutrient solution seems detrimental.
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: LayinUp]
#14704599 - 07/01/11 11:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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adding nutrients to the water will make fungus (the bad kind), bacteria & mold more easily grown in your tubing to the FC.
Why would you add nutrients @ this point? Does rain water add nutrients to the soil in which natural mushrooms grow? Nope. It doesn't.
Nutrients is in the substrate. Mycelium needs to "digest" it to use it. Therefore, adding nutrients in the mist water does no good, but to add to the probability of growing contams.
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theallseeingeye said: Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't fungus secrete enzymes into its environment to digest organic substances, thus absorbing nutrients? When the myc stores enough nutrients it begins to fruit... right? So, in theory, couldn't one add nutrients into the water to aide in giving it enough nutrients to fruit better and faster? I would definitely give this a try, if not, I am certainly interested!
You are wrong. But hey, it's good science fiction. Every beginner has to add things to the teks, it only hurts. Build a shotgun FC. 4-5" of perlite, cakes on top. Mist and fan. Boom, ideal conditions. You're getting shroomies only because cubes can handle less than ideal environments, much like the one you appear to be providing.
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You might break the fogger if you did that. And as TranscendingLife was saying, one can usually look to nature for answers regarding basic mycology.
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: sage1o1]
#14705521 - 07/02/11 06:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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my equipment, the fogged was 50$ if it breaks, no biggie I'm not worried about that. I'm not talking about a whole lot of nutrients. Maybe their is nutrients in the rain. Maybe that's why shrooms grow so much bigger outdoors, Why monotubs like being set out in the rain ? I can't believe such a good idea was shoot down by so many people I sen shrooms growing out of nothing but nutrient water
I'm going to set up another shotgun chamber and add a small amount of nutrients to the fog I will not post my results because you all are so stuck in your ways It will take a few tries but I will find the right combination of nutrients I was hopping for some help on the nutrients combination but guess not
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
#14705565 - 07/02/11 06:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'll have to show me a scientific analysis of rain water for me to Belive their is no nutrients in rain water. This just might be the variable missing to growing mushrooms indoor that look like mushrooms from outside
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
#14705653 - 07/02/11 07:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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 There may be nutrients in rainwater, hell, there probably are, but they don't do the mushies any good at all. That said, no one wants to stop you from trying. We would like to see your cakes have a healthy set of flushes tho, sans the disgusting contam outbreak you're asking for. To top it off, a big contam outbreak is likely to hinder your future efforts in this hobby. You are aware that spores of all sorts, including trich, are flying around your FC? They're everywhere in the open air. Millions of them. The only reason they aren't growing gross bacteria/trich/other molds all over your cakes is because your cakes have colonized all the available nutrients. You are suggesting adding uncolonized nutrients will help the cake, when in reality it's going to feed all the crap in the air you don't want germinating/growing on your cakes. You might lose them all together. Outdoor mushies look like that because of the complex balance of microorganisms present in nature, and they get the conditions they were intended for. Good luck OP. Have that clorox handy. And a mask. You're bound to cultivate a lot of bacteria that way as well.
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
#14705663 - 07/02/11 07:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bostonjoey said: Why monotubs like being set out in the rain ? I can't believe such a good idea was shoot down by so many people I sen shrooms growing out of nothing but nutrient water
These three statements are my absolute favorite.
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey]
#14705678 - 07/02/11 07:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bostonjoey said: hey guys, I have a great idea! I just push pine-tree fertilizer spikes right down into my pf cakes because everyone knows the more nutrients the better, whether they need them or not. And also don't tell me this won't work because mushrooms need nutes, right?
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: bostonjoey] 1
#14705722 - 07/02/11 07:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are not plants, and mushrooms do not grow hydroponically. If they did, someone would have claimed my microscope offer years ago, since some of the best minds around here worked on it for five years.
Developing mushrooms also don't want lots of 'nutrients'. This is why we get much better results by consolidating, because it allows the mycelium to digest the substrate prior to fruiting. RR
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14705895 - 07/02/11 08:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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bostonjoey said: my equipment, the fogged was 50$ if it breaks, no biggie I'm not worried about that. I'm not talking about a whole lot of nutrients. Maybe their is nutrients in the rain. Maybe that's why shrooms grow so much bigger outdoors, Why monotubs like being set out in the rain ? I can't believe such a good idea was shoot down by so many people I sen shrooms growing out of nothing but nutrient water
I'm going to set up another shotgun chamber and add a small amount of nutrients to the fog I will not post my results because you all are so stuck in your ways It will take a few tries but I will find the right combination of nutrients I was hopping for some help on the nutrients combination but guess not
it was a good idea IN THEORY.... but more food for the contams to eat. hows your FAE? all that moisture gonna need a lot of movement- and a lot of movement, plus extra food Sounds like a lot of GREEN .....
but i am curious bout the fogger tho --- since the mushrooms do take in water from the ambient RH around it not just thru the substrate ....
what type NUTES u have in mind maybe some black COFFEE mixed in the water of the fogger for 30 min a day and changed out right after wards...... or some gypsum water
either way only run the nutes for a short amount of time a day and keep that AIR MOVING (like FUCKIN MOVIN)
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms are not plants, and mushrooms do not grow hydroponically.
RR - I'm not one to contradict YOU (ALMIGHTY).......
BUT... Believe it or NOT i experimented with LC's (different HIGH NUTRIENT slurry water (more water than slurried))
and grew a fully mature specimen right there in the jar with out additional FAE
SO I DO CONSIDER IT TO BE A HYDROPONICALLY GROWN MAZATAPEC MUSHY
AND HAVE HAD A LOT OF PINS FLOATING IN OTHER LC'S BUT ALWAYS ABORT.
.........Your rebuttal Mr. Roger Rabbit????????
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Mushrooms 'eat' food on a cellular level. Many years ago I offered a free microscope to the first person who could produce a ten gram fruit hydroponically. To date, there's been no takers. I've seen a few tiny fruits form on the top layer of mycelium when a grain LC is left for months, but the grain is providing solid food, thus it isn't true hydro. If you can put chemicals on rockwool and actually grow a mushroom in an experiment that can be repeated, you can get a scope out of the deal. RR
i didnt use grain lc tho......
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: LewDoja]
#14705906 - 07/02/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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his rebuttal is post pics and you might win yourself a fucking microscope.
use the search engine dawg
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: k00laid]
#14705937 - 07/02/11 09:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Points all well taken After a few months I will get some sort of hydroponic nutrients to add to the water I'm not talking huge amounts either just a small introduction of.... nitrogen maybe? I'll try it with cake water and the fogger, separately Someone said something along the lines that if I fail ill quit, your a douche. Why would anyone quit doing anything just because something went wrong?
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Re: ANY EXPERIANCE fertalizing? [Re: k00laid]
#14705941 - 07/02/11 09:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is it so hard to understand that mushroom fruit bodies do not have the same nutritional requirements as plants,they need complex foods such as sugars,acids.They simply cannot take in raw elements such as Phosphorus,nitrogen
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