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Using the desert by building greenhouses
    #14698104 - 06/30/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Couldn't they create greenhouses in the desert and use the energy from the sun to power the greenhouses and grow the plants?

Put that film you can get on sunglasses that tint under sunlight on the outside of the greenhouses.

Would this be viable?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698157 - 06/30/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's probably viable but you would be building them on top of pristine lands. Why not utilize the roofs of buildings?


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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698246 - 06/30/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
Couldn't they create greenhouses in the desert and use the energy from the sun to power the greenhouses and grow the plants?

Put that film you can get on sunglasses that tint under sunlight on the outside of the greenhouses.

Would this be viable?




What purpose would the greenhouse serve?  The reason it is hard to grow crops in the desert is the lack of water.  How would the greenhouse help?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14698259 - 06/30/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because the water would be in a closed system?
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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14698478 - 06/30/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
Couldn't they create greenhouses in the desert and use the energy from the sun to power the greenhouses and grow the plants?

Put that film you can get on sunglasses that tint under sunlight on the outside of the greenhouses.

Would this be viable?




What purpose would the greenhouse serve?  The reason it is hard to grow crops in the desert is the lack of water.  How would the greenhouse help?




Number of ways to get water there, and I'm talking about massive sized greenhouses.

Mainly for food but any product that can be grown pretty much. An idea to try and make any 'natural' product cheaper in price. (Medications/Food)

An increase of product would make the prices cheaper for the public, right?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698527 - 06/30/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would you need a greenhouse for that though?  Greenhouses are used to keep the plants warm.  In the hot deserts the heat kills plants, the last thing you want is to keep them warmer.  Also, they already irrigate and bring water into the desert for plants - deserts all over the world provide a harvest due to irrigation technology.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza] * 1
    #14698653 - 06/30/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So what's the point of the greenhouse, I ask again...?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14698686 - 06/30/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It would be viable if the plants being grown require a humid environment.


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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: DieCommie]
    #14698694 - 06/30/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't there a way to block out some of the heat from entering the greenhouse? That way the temperature can be regulated?

I am just wondering why this hasn't been utilized as much as possible, I mean it would benefit the population by providing a massive amount of product so that the price of food/medication would decrease drastically. IMO, any land that isn't being put to use should be used to produce different product. Too much is better than not enough.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza] * 1
    #14698701 - 06/30/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't there a way to block out some of the heat from entering the greenhouse? That way the temperature can be regulated?

I am just wondering why this hasn't been utilized as much as possible, I mean it would benefit the population by providing a massive amount of product so that the price of food/medication would decrease drastically. IMO, any land that isn't being put to use should be used to produce different product. Too much is better than not enough.




Do you even have any idea what you hope to accomplish with the greenhouse?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698704 - 06/30/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@ChuangTzu, sorry I didn't respond to you.
The point is to make the cost of any natural product alot less than it is now. Making a 'need' in society easier to obtain.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698707 - 06/30/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And also to give back to the earth more than what we take from it. Which is the biggest 'debt' we need to worry about.

Edited by giza (06/30/11 08:09 PM)

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698710 - 06/30/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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@ChuangTzu, sorry I didn't respond to you.
The point is to make the cost of any natural product alot less than it is now. Making a 'need' in society easier to obtain.




How would a greenhouse do that?

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14698716 - 06/30/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Greenhouse would provide proper conditions for plants of any kind, for maximum yield.

Edited by giza (06/30/11 08:11 PM)

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14698806 - 06/30/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Greenhouse would provide proper conditions for plants of any kind, for maximum yield.




Sounds silly to me.  You would need massive air conditioners, massive building and incredible cost.  Its better to work with the ecosystem and grow things in the proper areas such that they grow with little work than grow things in non-native areas with tons of work.

Sure, we could build greenhouses to grow berries in the tropics and bananas in the arctic, but why?  It would be a big waste of time and money.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: DieCommie]
    #14699243 - 06/30/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

But someone with a large money supply could make a donation for such a feat.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14699249 - 06/30/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They could even use airplanes to drop soil/seeds/water(daily) over large areas also that have the right conditions.

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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: giza]
    #14704955 - 07/02/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
Couldn't they create greenhouses in the desert and use the energy from the sun to power the greenhouses and grow the plants?

Put that film you can get on sunglasses that tint under sunlight on the outside of the greenhouses.

Would this be viable?




What purpose would the greenhouse serve?  The reason it is hard to grow crops in the desert is the lack of water.  How would the greenhouse help?




Number of ways to get water there, and I'm talking about massive sized greenhouses.

Mainly for food but any product that can be grown pretty much. An idea to try and make any 'natural' product cheaper in price. (Medications/Food)

An increase of product would make the prices cheaper for the public, right?




dude this is not cost effective at all. the cost of maintaining a greenhouse, well, it's not super expensive, but it is more expensive then just having sprinkler systems for your crops. the yield of income you'd get from selling those crops to me doesn't seem to match the return you would need from the money you'd spend. Otherwise I think people have been doing this in deserts when it's affordable for years. but it's much easier just to grow crops in the desert outside and use a sprinkler system.

also, you say that crops would be cheaper? that's a good thing? let me get you up to date, people thought of that years ago. which is why the government often subsidizes farms, meaning they pay certain farmers not to grow crops. amazing? well, the way they figure, if everyone was a farmer, fruits and vegetables would be so cheap because of competitive farmers trying to sell cheaper, that the economy would crumble. true story, the more available something is, the cheaper and cheaper it becomes. this is how the government thinks. there is a point that they don't want new farms being made.


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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: DieCommie]
    #14704965 - 07/02/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Greenhouse would provide proper conditions for plants of any kind, for maximum yield.




Sounds silly to me.  You would need massive air conditioners, massive building and incredible cost.  Its better to work with the ecosystem and grow things in the proper areas such that they grow with little work than grow things in non-native areas with tons of work.

Sure, we could build greenhouses to grow berries in the tropics and bananas in the arctic, but why?  It would be a big waste of time and money.




just because most berries are annual doesn't mean they can't grow in warm places, this is only true of certain berries like strawberries that don't like the heat. it's just known the die with the frost, but most of the plants can handle hotter summers anyhow.

none the less I understand your point. waste of time indeed, and yes of course some berries can't be grown in the tropics. blueberries though I'm not sure can't grow just anywhere, those things can actually take over an area with a root system, aside from giving really nice fruits, most people consider them weeds :shrug:


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Re: Using the desert by building greenhouses [Re: imachavel]
    #14705520 - 07/02/11 06:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sure, we could build greenhouses to grow berries in the tropics and bananas in the arctic, but why?  It would be a big waste of time and money.




just because most berries are annual doesn't mean they can't grow in warm places, this is only true of certain berries like strawberries that don't like the heat. it's just known the die with the frost, but most of the plants can handle hotter summers anyhow.






Yeah, diecommie's an okay guy, but that nigga don't know shit about berries.

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