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Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com
    #1469614 - 04/18/03 07:34 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I thought this article was great.  A good way to really show your love for corporate America :smile:

Lana

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030417/ap_on_hi_te/wal_mart_bar_codes_2

'Bar Code' Web Site Closes Under Pressure
Thu Apr 17, 5:29 PM ET  Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!


By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer

A Web site that urged visitors to lower prices for grocery items by substituting bar codes shut itself down after pressure from Wal-Mart Inc.

The site's operators, a group of tech-savvy political activists, decided to close the site Wednesday after contacts between their lawyer and those of Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer.

"I decided that maybe I'm in over my head at this point," said a member of the group who would identify himself only with the pseudonym Nathan Hactivist. He said he's a 26-year-old art student in upstate New York.

Re-code.com contained a database of bar codes with instructions on how to print them on stickers. It suggested visitors "chose their own prices" by, for instance, sticking a bar code for generic cereal on a name-brand box in the store.

The Web site's creators called it a work of satire intended to create a discussion on how prices are set by corporations. It went online March 20.

A letter from Wal-Mart's lawyers to one of the companies involved in hosting the site said re-code.com encouraged a modern version of the old scam of taking price tags from a cheap items and putting them on more expensive ones.

"Our concern has always been ... that any invitation to theft or removing items from stores at prices that are set by individuals certainly flies in the face of doing business," Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams said.

Williams would not comment on whether the company was seeking to sue the site's creators.

Hactivist, who was interviewed by phone, said the group had not received any explicit threats of legal action from Wal-Mart but felt threats were implied in the contacts with their lawyer.

The site's legal owner, Mike Bonnano of Loudonville, N.Y., said that switching store bar codes may be illegal but there was nothing illegal about the site itself.

"It's just like publishing a book with instructions," he said. Bonnano, also a political activist, was not part of the group that created the site although he owns it.
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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1469622 - 04/18/03 07:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Anno]
    #1470083 - 04/18/03 10:58 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

interesting.. in one perspective petty theft but in another taking pennies from the penny tray. In the end they are just going to increase prices to make up what they lost and if you havn't gone to jail by then, you're screwed anyway. Sounds like a loose-loose situation to me.. and all just for saving a couple bucks.

hehe.. reminds me of "Falling Down," where Michael Douglas decides to re-price some merchandise in the Korean's store.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1470987 - 04/18/03 04:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I'm surprised to see you advocate theft.

Thieves are scumbags.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1471754 - 04/18/03 09:42 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Our Formal Apology:
Sorry Wal Mart?, Price Chopper?, and Kellogg's?. We hope we didn't cost you any hard earned cash.




ahahaha, hard earned!!

Anyway, stealing from individuals is abhorrent, but stealing from multi-national corporations is civic duty.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1474390 - 04/19/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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ahahaha, hard earned!!



Yes, hard earned. Usually it takes hard work, foresight and good business sense to build a successful company. Have you ever built or run a successful company?

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Anyway, stealing from individuals is abhorrent, but stealing from multi-national corporations is civic duty.



Theft is theft. Moral relativism is an infantile philosophy, you can do better than that. Try a principled view of things.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1474691 - 04/19/03 10:14 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Are there anysite's with the old info on them?


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1475760 - 04/20/03 06:32 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, hard earned. Usually it takes hard work, foresight and good business sense to build a successful company.




More like it takes mass exploitation of workers. Finding enough people who will work for next to nothing is the hardest part.

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Have you ever built or run a successful company?





No, I haven't. But I'm in the process right now of starting one. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Theft is theft. Moral relativism is an infantile philosophy, you can do better than that. Try a principled view of things.




Yes, theft is theft. However, it would be rather proposterous (and possibly infantile) to claim that stealing from an individual has the same moral implications as stealing from a faceless corporation. If any hard work was put into wal-mart, then it has long been obscured by the low wages it pays its employees, not to mention the self-depricating worshipping sessions they are forced to participate in.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1475763 - 04/20/03 06:46 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I reject moral (ethical) relativism.

Perhaps you should re-read a definition of it.

An example of it would be:

Stealing from an individual in their culture is ok because thats just the way they do things.

I however, think that stealing from an individual is universally unethical in either circumstance.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1477450 - 04/20/03 08:33 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

wow! Corporate Amaerica gets a ball punt! I love it.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1478395 - 04/21/03 07:49 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not advocating theft. 

Before this forum became the "computers and tech" forum it use to be a Computer Security forum which I enjoyed a little more.

Point is, barcodes are a form of security.  And that interests me. 

If you're a theif, you deserve what you get.  And if you go around changing the prices in a grocery store from $3.00 to $1.00, then go get a job that pays more since you're wasting more time and money on ink and supplies :smile:

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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1478740 - 04/21/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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More like it takes mass exploitation of workers. Finding enough people who will work for next to nothing is the hardest part.



Marxist drivel. Employees freely decide to work for the corporation and can freely leave.

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Yes, theft is theft. However, it would be rather proposterous (and possibly infantile) to claim that stealing from an individual has the same moral implications as stealing from a faceless corporation.



Theft is theft, the morality is the same regardless of the victim. When people steal from Wal-Mart (who operates on a VERY thin profit margin), they are stealing from any individual who has an interest in the company. Additionally, Wal-Mart WILL pass the cost of the theft on to their honest customers by raising prices.

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If any hard work was put into wal-mart, then it has long been obscured by the low wages it pays its employees, not to mention the self-depricating worshipping sessions they are forced to participate in.



BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1481107 - 04/22/03 12:36 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Stickin it to the man


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: ScumBagMaximum]
    #1481538 - 04/22/03 04:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)


theft is bad...temptation to commit theft is worse...but cheaper is better... If you find a loophole, I say take it if your willing to deal with the result's...


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: funkymonk]
    #1495620 - 04/26/03 10:47 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

MORALS ARE FOR COWS! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1514363 - 05/02/03 09:23 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

You should have seen their site. It was a joke, and obviously the same template from priceline.com. Then when priceline contacted them, they played it off like re-code.com was part of priceline.com. How would I know this? It was arranged in a quick, yet poor manner off a nameless sources post on hactivist.
http://chris.thesmartone.net:81/~invizible/barcodescam.html


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1531405 - 05/08/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.

Such an illusion of freedom. Freedom includes not only civil liberties, but economic liberty.

I doubt people work at corporate, right-wing Christian shit-holes like Wal-Mart out of sheer will and desire. Most are poor. Some are desparate. Some have no experience or skills. etc.

Your brother must not be very economically free if he's been working for Wal-Mart on poverty wages for ten years. Ask him his opinion of spending the bulk of the last decade there and ask him the consequences of just quitting.

Options are limited. People are poor. Mouths to feed.

boycott Wal-Mart


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: iglou]
    #1531748 - 05/08/03 05:36 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.

Such an illusion of freedom.



Such meaningless drivel.

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Freedom includes not only civil liberties, but economic liberty.



If you agree with this then you should be against socialism and communism.  Good for you.

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I doubt people work at corporate, right-wing Christian shit-holes like Wal-Mart out of sheer will and desire.



Little testy aren't you?  Just because you mind is unable to grasp it doesn't mean that it is not so.  Too bad you lack the imagination or drive to build a succesful company, maybe then you wouldn't be so bitter.

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Most are poor.



Most?  The ones who get the lowest wages are generally just entering the work force and are unreliable or have not yet proven thenselves as employees (so I am told by my brother).

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Some are desparate.



So, such is the case in many areas of life.

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Some have no experience or skills. etc.



Then it's good that someone is willing to give them the experience and a chance to learn some skills.  We can't all start out of the womb with a PhD and a position as a corporate officer.

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Your brother must not be very economically free if he's been working for Wal-Mart on poverty wages for ten years.



He's doing much better than before he started, he is not on poverty wages.  Again, all employees are free to quit at anytime.

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Ask him his opinion of spending the bulk of the last decade there



I have, he likes it.  :tongue:

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... and ask him the consequences of just quitting.



There are always consequences for ones actions or inaction.  What is your point?

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Options are limited.



Your imagination is limited.

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People are poor. Mouths to feed.



Wow, welcome to planet earth.

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boycott Wal-Mart



If you boycott Wal-Mart, guess what?  You'll be putting the very people you pretend to have sympathy for out of work. 


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1532254 - 05/08/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)



"Such meaningless drivel"

-picture this, you are poor. you live in a small town, your girlfriend just had a baby, the only place hiring is wal-mart.

where is the freedom? there is no freedom here, only responsibility.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1534544 - 05/09/03 12:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Little testy aren't you? Just because you mind is unable to grasp it doesn't mean that it is not so. Too bad you lack the imagination or drive to build a succesful company, maybe then you wouldn't be so bitter.

I am not interested in building a community-destroying, individuality-squashing Christianity-indoctrinating faux "Made in the USA" mega-entity like Wal-Mart. No thanks.

If you agree with this then you should be against socialism and communism. Good for you.

I am opposed to statism and corporatism in all forms. I am a proponent of true free markets - not the so-called "market" that Wal-Mart shoves down peoples' throats.

The ones who get the lowest wages are generally just entering the work force and are unreliable or have not yet proven thenselves as employees (so I am told by my brother).

Merit and knowledge do not always transfer into wages. And besides, poverty is not just the lack of renumeration but also the lack of decision-making and self-management in a place where one spends the bulk of his or her waking hours.

Some are desparate.
So, such is the case in many areas of life.


Gee, I wonder why.

Then it's good that someone is willing to give them the experience and a chance to learn some skills. We can't all start out of the womb with a PhD and a position as a corporate officer.

Breadcrumbs.

Please. As if Wal-Mart were some great bastion of knowledge and liberty. Any place that limits an individuals' ability to self-manage is limiting their intellectual and emotional development.

As for gaining experience, I am sure that these people would have learned much, much more working in or operating the Mom & Pop stores that Wal-Mart seeks to destroy.

Again, all employees are free to quit at anytime.

Liberty of choice is barren if there are no alternatives. And the way that Wal-Mart systematically operates, alternatives are few.

Your imagination is limited.

Limited like your arguments? Nice ad hominem.

If you boycott Wal-Mart, guess what? You'll be putting the very people you pretend to have sympathy for out of work.

How Orwellian of you.

No, I am interested in creating and supporting the alternatives that Wal-Mart actively seeks to wipe-out.   

Have a good day :smile: 


Edited by iglou (05/09/03 12:10 PM)


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1536906 - 05/10/03 11:57 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)


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Theft is theft, the morality is the same regardless of the victim.




Scenario: your family is starving, you HAVE to steal some food somewhere. You think stealing from your neighbour who is in the same situation as you has the same implications as stealing from rich slave drivers? These things are not morally paralell.

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When people steal from Wal-Mart (who operates on a VERY thin profit margin), they are stealing from any individual who has an interest in the company.




First off, Wal-mart my be working on a thin profit margin, but that doesn't mean that the fat cats running the show are poor, far from the truth, if you disagree, burden of truth rests on you. They would not even note the losses. In addition, if you didn't know, businesses pay insurance that covers theft. So everything that you steal, they get back. They don't actually lose money.

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Additionally, Wal-Mart WILL pass the cost of the theft on to their honest customers by raising prices.




This is a good thing. It will give a chance to the mom & pop stores!

Aother thing: Stealing from wal-mart supports my economy. Get the fuck out of canada, walmart!


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1548151 - 05/14/03 12:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Scenario: your family is starving, you HAVE to steal some food somewhere. You think stealing from your neighbour who is in the same situation as you has the same implications as stealing from rich slave drivers? These things are not morally paralell.



So you bring up the most extreme scenerio to rationalize being a thief, sorry but it usually doesn't work this way except in Marxist fantasies. Please look up the definition of slave. NO ONE who works at Walmart is a slave, and none of the management are slave owners or slave drivers. Again, theft is theft. If you steal from anyone, you are a thief. Trying to justify it by pointing at the wealth of your victim(s) only shows that you are rationalizing your lack of moral character and are nothing but a common criminal. Thieves are scum, no matter what their justification and deserve to be punished.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1548220 - 05/14/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyway, stealing from individuals is abhorrent, but stealing from multi-national corporations is civic duty.




Stealing from a MNC is the same as stealing from an individual, infact, it is stealing from many individuals.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: iglou]
    #1548254 - 05/14/03 01:21 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Such an illusion of freedom. Freedom includes not only civil liberties, but economic liberty.

I doubt people work at corporate, right-wing Christian shit-holes like Wal-Mart out of sheer will and desire. Most are poor. Some are desparate. Some have no experience or skills. etc.




One may not desire to work at all and that is their option in this country. One is free to do as they chose. If somebody does not have the experience or skills required to complete a job in a satisfactory manner, than why should somebody who is qualified be denied the position? If somebody does not posses the education, commitment, and desire to work at a certain level, and to reap the rewards of hard work, than the burden of their actions can only rest upon their shoulders. Attempting to blame a corporation who is providing an opportunity for somebody without an education, and without job skills, for an individuals lack of commitment to self is asinine.

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Your brother must not be very economically free if he's been working for Wal-Mart on poverty wages for ten years.




And if this is the case, he has nobody to blame but himself.

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ask him the consequences of just quitting.



What are the consequences of quitting any job? People make choices based on opportunity cost. If the cost of quitting a job is less than the cost of keeping the job, then one will quit.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1548265 - 05/14/03 01:27 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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"Such meaningless drivel"

-picture this, you are poor. you live in a small town, your girlfriend just had a baby, the only place hiring is wal-mart.

where is the freedom? there is no freedom here, only responsibility.




Who's fault is it that you are poor. Why can't you find a job? Why don't you have the education and skills that are required of the job which you desire? Who's fault is it that your girlfriend had a baby? Somebody who is in such a situation has forced themselves into it. It is up to the individual to take responsibility for their own actions. This means getting and education, getting the skills which are required for a well paying job. This means not having children unless you can afford them.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: iglou]
    #1548389 - 05/14/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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I am not interested in building a community-destroying, individuality-squashing Christianity-indoctrinating faux "Made in the USA" mega-entity like Wal-Mart. No thanks.

I am opposed to statism and corporatism in all forms. I am a proponent of true free markets - not the so-called "market" that Wal-Mart shoves down peoples' throats.





If you were a true proponent of the free market system, you would realize and respect that Wal-Mart has a place in the economy.

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Merit and knowledge do not always transfer into wages.




Wage equal to the marginal physical product of labor. It is up to the laborer and the laborer alone whether or not to accept the reward which corresponds to the MPP. Merit and knowledge do not always transfer into wages, this is correct. One may be knowledgeable about a certain subject or field, but unless the demand is sufficient in said subject (or supply is low enough), for one to find work, they will be faced with unemployment. That is part of freedom, determining the skills and education which one receives. No matter what one choses to learn, they are faced with ample reward. If one choses to spend their time memorizing the lines backwards in every star wars film, they will be sufficiently be compensated for their time by the demand for said skill, which in this case, I would suppose, is nil. Demand is extremely low for a worker who has no skills whatsoever.

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poverty is not just the lack of renumeration but also the lack of decision-making and self-management in a place where one spends the bulk of his or her waking hours.




Are you speaking on absolute, or relative poverty? Absolute poverty refers to a family of four receiving an income less than 3 times the cost of adequately feeding itself. Absolute poverty within the US has been dropping continually. In fact, the official poverty level within the US, is far higher than the average income levels in many nations.

Relative poverty requires careful analysis as it is defined by income levels relative to each other. While one may reside in the lowest 5% of the income receiving population, they may drive fancy cars, or enjoy fine dining, though they may not drive as fancy a car, or dine out as often as the highest 5% of the income receiving population.

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Gee, I wonder why.




Because they lack the proper education and skills necessary to sustain a job.

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Please. As if Wal-Mart were some great bastion of knowledge and liberty. Any place that limits an individuals' ability to self-manage is limiting their intellectual and emotional development.




Wal-Mart provides the opportunity for somebody who has no skills to earn a wage. Do you believe that somebody who has no skills has no right to earn a wage? Many jobs limit intellectual stimulation. It is no up to the employer to provide an outlet for such stimulation, but up to the individual to seek such an outlet. Most people who find themselves earning minimum wage do not have self-management skills to begin with.

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Liberty of choice is barren if there are no alternatives. And the way that Wal-Mart systematically operates, alternatives are few.



Alternatives are created by the individual by not limiting opportunity in the first place.

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No, I am interested in creating and supporting the alternatives that Wal-Mart actively seeks to wipe-out.



Good for you. There is a demand for such places. I suggest, if you have not already done so, read up on the Ukrop family.



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    #1548493 - 05/14/03 02:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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First off, Wal-mart my be working on a thin profit margin, but that doesn't mean that the fat cats running the show are poor, far from the truth, if you disagree, burden of truth rests on you.




Have you examined the salary structure of Walmart? Perhaps you would like to report to us on how the lean profit margines affect the salaries in respect to shoplifting?

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They would not even note the losses. In addition, if you didn't know, businesses pay insurance that covers theft. So everything that you steal, they get back. They don't actually lose money.




They don't notice the losses? Bullshit. Corporations spend millions of dollars every year to combat something which they do not miss? Give me a break. Shoplifting removes billions of dollars in inventory every year. While there may be insurance, insurance is not free, nor is the deductible, not to mention, productivity lost, equipment costs, employee training, legal fees, etc. How can you claim that shoplifting does not cause companies to lose money?


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    #1549504 - 05/14/03 10:02 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Are you speaking on absolute, or relative poverty?

I am speaking of a poverty of self.

Because they lack the proper education and skills necessary to sustain a job.

And just why is that?

Wal-Mart provides the opportunity for somebody who has no skills to earn a wage.

Table scraps. Jails also provide shelter and three-square meals a day, so what? The question isnt is it bad? but rather could it be better? In the case of wage-labor and Wal-Mart, the answer is yes.

Do you believe that somebody who has no skills has no right to earn a wage?

I do not necessarily believe in "rights" that are "given."

It is no up to the employer to provide an outlet for such stimulation, but up to the individual to seek such an outlet.

Agreed. Wal-Mart and their ilk systematically work to run such alternatives into the ground.

Most people who find themselves earning minimum wage do not have self-management skills to begin with.

I put forth the notion that when humans are responsible for self and manage their own affairs, we blossom intellectually and emotionally.

As such, the average Wal-Mart employee has little self-management skills. People who go through years of compulsive, creativity-choking schooling where they have virtually no say in the affairs of the school and its cirruclum are obviously going to lack in individual development. People who are raised by the family-spectacle of television and then later groomed to be "good workers" rather than creative and responsible individuals will lack certain qualities that all humans have the potential for.

If we were to modify how society functions, and insert self-management and responsibility into all spheres of our lives, we would be more apt to assume empowering roles.


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    #1550556 - 05/15/03 09:30 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I am speaking of a poverty of self.

Please define that.

And just why is that?

It depends on the individual. There are thousand upon thousands of minimum wage earners. Generally they lack any sort of skills, or education, which would allow them to have a higher paying job. They may be unmotivated. They may lack the mental fortitude to have completed a higher education, or even mentally handicapped. They may have dropped out of school. For every person earning a minimum, or menial wage, there is a story of why they are there.

Table scraps. Jails also provide shelter and three-square meals a day, so what? The question isnt is it bad? but rather could it be better? In the case of wage-labor and Wal-Mart, the answer is yes.

Of course it's table scraps. You don't pay somebody, an unreliable employee with no employable skills, $15 an hour. Is it bad? That is left up the individual to decide, not you. Could it be better? Sure. There are numerous ways in which to enrich one's self. Again, it is not up to Walmart, or any other minimum wage paying facility to create options. Perhaps you would like to share of how the system could be improved, so that I may rebuke it?

I do not necessarily believe in "rights" that are "given."

So why do you continue to complain about Walmart?

Agreed. Wal-Mart and their ilk systematically work to run such alternatives into the ground.

In economics we refer to that as monopolization. Is that what you are implying?

I put forth the notion that when humans are responsible for self and manage their own affairs, we blossom intellectually and emotionally.

And some people have no ability whatsoever to affectively manage their time, and conduct themselves in a proper business manner. Some people are poor managers of their own lives, one of the many reasons why one may wind up working in minimum wage earning position.

As such, the average Wal-Mart employee has little self-management skills.

And do you not believe that people should be paid according to the skills which they posses?

People who go through years of compulsive, creativity-choking schooling where they have virtually no say in the affairs of the school and its cirruclum are obviously going to lack in individual development.

While the public school systems in the US are pretty crappy, they provide a basic educational foundation upon to build a strong structure of higher education. There are a multitude of outlets for one to express their creativity within the public education system. However all of this is contingent on one's willingness to get involved in their own education, and realize that getting an education, a true education, is hard work. The only thing which would circumvent one's individual development is the unwillingness on the part of the individual to partake in their own development. Some people are not willing to do so. You cannot blame the system for those who are not willing to put forth the effort to better themselves. Life is a culmination of one's action's and inactions. If one is willing to put forth the effort to educate themselves they shall have a multitude of options for themselves. Furthermore, people develop at different times in their lives. High school may not be the time in which one develops because simply, it is not time. I did not begin to, and I highly many people do not, develop truly into their true self until their early twenties. It wasn't until I was twenty that I really took an interest in an education, in my self betterment.


People who are raised by the family-spectacle of television and then later groomed to be "good workers" rather than creative and responsible individuals will lack certain qualities that all humans have the potential for.

If we were to modify how society functions, and insert self-management and responsibility into all spheres of our lives, we would be more apt to assume empowering roles.


I agree that some people do not receive the proper upbringing, and perhaps it is those who suffer the most, victims of circumstance. However if one truly desires, I believe that they can break out of such an institution. My grandfather, who has led a spectacular life is an example of such fortitude. However, just as with any educational medium, one must be willing to contribute to their own education. People must be motivated from within to learn how to conduct themselves, to self-manage, et all. You cannot force people to learn, and to partake in bettering themselves. Should those people not willing to do so be able to receive a wage, or should they be able to receive a wage which best matches their ability? Are you denying that human labor has no value?


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    #1550905 - 05/15/03 11:54 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Please define that.

"poverty of self" :: the state of one who lacks a sufficient amount of material possessions or resources needed to empower his or herself.

Generally they lack any sort of skills, or education, which would allow them to have a higher paying job. They may be unmotivated. They may lack the mental fortitude to have completed a higher education, or even mentally handicapped. They may have dropped out of school. For every person earning a minimum, or menial wage, there is a story of why they are there.

Agreed. But I say increase the chances of personal success by improving the conditions of our economic and political world rather than accept it as some sort of static truth. There is much room for improvement, and in my opinion, one of the first steps (besides creating businesses that are self-managed in origin) is challenging how schooling operates and how the decision-making process manifests itself in the workplace. I say top-down structures breed (or at least contribute to) irresponsibility and impotency and immaturity in the individual.

You don't pay somebody, an unreliable employee with no employable skills, $15 an hour. Is it bad?

Could it be better? Could people be more responsible and empowered and fairly renumerated?

Again, it is not up to Walmart, or any other minimum wage paying facility to create options.

Generation after generation spend the bulk of their human lives in "facilities" where they have little participation in decision-making processes. Wal-Mart is part of the problem, so obviously, alternatives are not in its interest.

And some people have no ability whatsoever to affectively manage their time, and conduct themselves in a proper business manner. Some people are poor managers of their own lives, one of the many reasons why one may wind up working in minimum wage earning position.

And there are reasons for such conditions, for such "poverty of self". Cause and effect.

And do you not believe that people should be paid according to the skills which they posses?

I believe people should be renumerated according to effort and sacrifice. The structure that would allow such renumeration would require directly-democratic decision-making (i.e. self-management).

The only thing which would circumvent one's individual development is the unwillingness on the part of the individual to partake in their own development.

And institutions never fail the individual? The essence of quality education is teaching individuals how to learn. Schools as we know them hardly do so. I recommend Unschooling Undefined by Eric Anderson.

You cannot blame the system for those who are not willing to put forth the effort to better themselves.

I blame both the education institution that fosters servitude and apathy and the individual for carrying out such disempowering qualities.

Furthermore, people develop at different times in their lives. High school may not be the time in which one develops because simply, it is not time. I did not begin to, and I highly many people do not, develop truly into their true self until their early twenties. It wasn't until I was twenty that I really took an interest in an education, in my self betterment.

Agreed. One of the major faults of compulsatory schooling is the "one-size-fits-all" approach.

I believe that they can break out of such an institution. My grandfather, who has led a spectacular life is an example of such fortitude. However, just as with any educational medium, one must be willing to contribute to their own education.

Agreed.

You cannot force people to learn, and to partake in bettering themselves.

I never suggested any sort of force. Quite the opposite - I am opposed to overly-hierarchial, compulsatory, institutional, "one-size-fits-all" education.

Perhaps you would like to share of how the system could be improved, so that I may rebuke it?

So you want to criticize and reprimand my ideas before giving them a chance? Are you interested in learning about others' experiences and perspectives or further establishing your ideology deeper into your brain?

If you're not interested in being open, I'm not interested in continuing this dialogue.


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    #1551289 - 05/15/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"poverty of self" :: the state of one who lacks a sufficient amount of material possessions or resources needed to empower his or herself.

You are speaking on wealth then. Poverty and wealth are related, and those who generally lack wealth are burdened with poverty. In this instance it seems however, that you are speaking on relative poverty. The people which you are defending are not poor in the absolute sense. They do not lack the capital means to survive, they are only poor in regard to a majority of the US's citizens.

There is much room for improvement, and in my opinion, one of the first steps is challenging how schooling operates and how the decision-making process manifests itself in the workplace.

Well, schools need vast improvement, you will get no argument out of me there. However you cannot mandate how a business is run. One could certainly challenge the norms by creating such a business who's structure may, or may not, prove to be better than the traditional hierarchy.

(besides creating businesses that are self-managed in origin)

What do you define as a self-managed business?

I say top-down structures breed (or at least contribute to) irresponsibility and impotency and immaturity in the individual.

This is analogous to a thief blaming their victim for the crime, or the rapist blaming their victim. Irresponsible behavior begins and ends with the individual. Being tempted is not a justified cause of action. Topdown structures promote rewards for those willing to put forth the effort to better themselves.

Could it be better? Could people be more responsible and empowered and fairly renumerated?

Again, it is not up to you to decide what is fair remuneration or what is a better life for an individual to lead. Action for improvement must be taken by the individual, not dictated from an outside source.

And that's part of the problem we are facing. Generation after generation spend the bulk of their human lives in "facilities" where they have little participation in decision-making processes.

This doesn't sound like a very sound plan to me. Taking people who have inherently been poor decision makers in life, and putting them in positions to drastically affect a company's position? Nah...I'd pass on that one, especially if my money was at stake. Read John Stuart Mill's work, The Principles of Political Economy. You probably would like what he has to say.

And there are reasons for such conditions, for such "poverty of self". Cause and effect.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. You are blaming the cause on the effect. People wind up in such positions by their own regard, and I have no patience nor sorrow for those attempt to blame the system for their own misgivings. And what, pray-tell, of millions who are successful. How did they magically escape the pitfall of this mythical "poverty of self"?


I believe people should be renumerated according to effort and sacrifice.

That is called capitalism there buddy, through and through. The ones who make the effort to get an education, to develop new ideas, the ones who make sacrifice in the face of risk, reap the rewards.

The structure that would allow such renumeration would require directly-democratic decision-making (i.e. self-management).

So are you advocating socialism or capitalism here?

And institutions never fail the individual? The essence of quality education is teaching individuals how to learn. Schools as we know them hardly do so.

Certainly institutions fail, they are not perfect. However a quality education does not come from teaching individuals how to learn. A quality education requires hard work and desire by the individual, supplemented by knowledge provided by a proper instructor. What you just said is that humans do not have the capacity to learn, and that they must be first instructed to do so? What baloney. How can you teach somebody to learn? If they do not posses the capacity to learn, then they cannot be taught how to lean in the first place. However let us pretend for a second that your system is in some way feasible, what become of those WHO DO NOT WANT TO LEARN? People who do not apply themselves have only themselves to blame for their actions, something apparently which you do not seem to agree with.

I blame both the education institution that fosters servitude and apathy and the individual for carrying out such disempowering qualities.

How can you blame a system for not being able to help those who are not willing to help themselves?

I never suggested any sort of force.Quite the opposite - I am opposed to overly-hierarchial, compulsatory, institutional, "one-size-fits-all" education.

So then what do you do with those who are unwilling to learn, or who lack the motivation to help themselves? Should they not be able to find employment?

So you want to criticize and reprimand my ideas before giving them a chance? Are you interested in learning about others' experiences and perspectives or further establishing your ideology deeper into your brain?

No offense, but I highly doubt what you consider to be your ideas are anything new (not to mention being hypothesized by numerous social economists) , and are anything that I have not heard before. And it is because I am very open to new ideas, that I can say this.

If you're not interested in being open, I'm not interested in continuing this dialogue.
Well if you actually have anything new to say, I certainly will entertain the idea, but so far you have given no indication of independent thought.


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    #1552413 - 05/15/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

However you cannot mandate how a business is run.

Do you mean me personally?

What do you define as a self-managed business?

A self-managed business is a market entity that operates in a horizontal fashion where decisions are made by those affected by the outcomes and in proportion as they are affected.

::I say top-down structures breed (or at least contribute to) irresponsibility and impotency and immaturity in the individual.::

This is analogous to a thief blaming their victim for the crime, or the rapist blaming their victim. Irresponsible behavior begins and ends with the individual. Being tempted is not a justified cause of action.


So you're saying that the institutions that fill our lives do not affect us? As humans, we are influenced greatly by our culture, our economy, our communities, our ideologies, our traditions.

The Islamist schools for children in Pakistan indoctrinate the future-terrorists. Arent the schools at least partly responsible for violence against the innocent (not necesarily in some sort of judicial sense - but responsible nonetheless)?

I once knew a rapist in college, by the way. As it turns out, he was beaten and molested as a child. Is this an excuse for his actions? Of course not. But it is probably the reason why he acted in such a way. In the case of Nature vs. Nuture - it is not either/or, but rather a synthesis of the two. Both affect individuals to a varying degree. I'm sure you would agree, no?

Topdown structures promote rewards for those willing to put forth the effort to better themselves.

Not always. I know plenty of individuals who work hard and abide by company policies and, well, they're hardly being "rewarded."

Again, it is not up to you to decide what is fair remuneration or what is a better life for an individual to lead. Action for improvement must be taken by the individual, not dictated from an outside source.

And such "action for improvement" is often denied by Wal-Mart, by the way. If an individual is not allowed to "act for improvement," exactly how free are they?

Taking people who have inherently been poor decision makers in life, and putting them in positions to drastically affect a company's position? Nah...I'd pass on that one, especially if my money was at stake.

I never advocated such a drastic move. You are putting words in my mouth. I am simply a proponet of the evolution of individuals via a radical change in how the decision-making process manifests itself.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. You are blaming the cause on the effect. People wind up in such positions by their own regard...

Not always.

...and I have no patience nor sorrow for those attempt to blame the system for their own misgivings.

So?

And what, pray-tell, of millions who are successful. How did they magically escape the pitfall of this mythical "poverty of self"?

Depends on circumstance. I believe we covered this already.

That is called capitalism there buddy, through and through. The ones who make the effort to get an education, to develop new ideas, the ones who make sacrifice in the face of risk, reap the rewards.

No, capitalism is defined by Merriem-Webster as being "...an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market."

What you describe are mere attributes of capitalism that happen to occur. A true statement would have been: The ones who make the effort to get an education, to develop new ideas, the ones who make sacrifice in the face of risk, reap the rewards if they possess the correct amount of capital and the market (as well as circumstance) also happens to smile upon them.

So are you advocating socialism or capitalism here?

Neither. Well, depends on how you define socialism and capitalism.

How can you teach somebody to learn?

Well, one way is to teach them how to utilize critical thinking skills and strategies. Another is to teach how to utilize language.

what become of those WHO DO NOT WANT TO LEARN?

These people simply do not learn as they wish and do as they wish.

People who do not apply themselves have only themselves to blame for their actions, something apparently which you do not seem to agree with.

No, I am simply pointing out why some individuals do not or cannot apply themselves in the first place - I am looking for the root cause. And then, I offer a solution - an alternative.

So then what do you do with those who are unwilling to learn, or who lack the motivation to help themselves? Should they not be able to find employment?

I wont "do" anything like some sort of authority. These people can seek employment if they wish - I just hope their employeers provide a living-wage and the ability to unionize without intimidation (unlike Wal-Mart).

No offense, but I highly doubt what you consider to be your ideas are anything new (not to mention being hypothesized by numerous social economists) , and are anything that I have not heard before. And it is because I am very open to new ideas, that I can say this.

"My ideas" as in "coming from my mouth to you."

And you do not seem very familiar with that which I put forth, by the way. No need to posture, friend.

Well if you actually have anything new to say, I certainly will entertain the idea, but so far you have given no indication of independent thought.

And you have offered such great novelty? Okay Mr. Keynes.


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    #1578640 - 05/26/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

This thread was rather boring....why do you guys try so hard to be intellects?


it's a rather simple concept that stealing from wal-mart and stealing from a person are COMPLETELY different scenarios...

Im not going to get into this discussion, but come on - stop trying to use your egos and try feeling what is right for a second.

Logic is flawed because most people use it as a servant of the ego, like in this case. Instead of feeling from your heart wether or not its right, you are trying to use logic to say that stealing from wal-mart is horrible.

Why/ Because some rich old fat man is losing maybe 300 dollars a week TOTAL, if that from this. WIll his family go poor making only 10grand a week instead of $9,700?




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    #1578728 - 05/26/03 02:52 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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it's a rather simple concept that stealing from wal-mart and stealing from a person are COMPLETELY different scenarios...



No... it's not. Stealing is stealing no matter who from

Thieves are scumbags who deserve to choke on their own vomit.


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    #1579945 - 05/26/03 10:32 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Why/ Because some rich old fat man is losing maybe 300 dollars a week TOTAL, if that from this. WIll his family go poor making only 10grand a week instead of $9,700?



Oh, I get it. Murdering a child from a family with 10 children would not be as bad as murdering an only child... dropping a bomb on a Chinese town would not be as bad as dropping a bomb on an American town... a foreign government taking control of Saudi Oil fields would not be as bad as a foreign government taking control of Iranian oil fields... raping a woman who's had 20 lovers is not as bad a raping a virgin...


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    #1592299 - 05/30/03 06:49 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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    #1592477 - 05/30/03 08:37 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe woah guys..... all this from a rather unoriginal idea. This is just a high tech version of what little kids have been doing with price tags for years. I say go for it, it's the duty of society to point out when a security feature is weak, maybe they will start using a better system if they lose enough money this way. If security worked simply by people being honest, none of this would matter. But really, I'd rather stay off topic like the rest of you. So here we go.

A. Theft is natural. (PERIOD, BIG FUCKING PERIOD) It has happened since the beginning of life and will continue, deal with it. The quick or the strong or the smart will ALWAYS take from the weak. Sometimes it's even justified. Most of the time it's not.

B. If theft was going to be the ruin of wally world or society in general, it would have happened a long time ago.

C. Theft is a reprehensible act. Whether from an individual or corporation. Again deal with it. If you are stealing, don't be surprised that society looks at you like you were scum.

D. If you do decide to steal, just do me the favor of not whining about how horrible your life is when you end up in jail or the hospital with a bullet in your ass. Accept the consequences of your decision, and if you are a good thief, all power to you. Maybe you can get a job working for or in the US government, I'm thinking Senator.

Now, I guess what I'm saying is.... what the hell are you all moaning about.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: highwayman]
    #1592595 - 05/30/03 09:36 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Hehe woah guys..... all this from a rather unoriginal idea. This is just a high tech version of what little kids have been doing with price tags for years. I say go for it, it's the duty of society to point out when a security feature is weak, maybe they will start using a better system if they lose enough money this way. If security worked simply by people being honest, none of this would matter. But really, I'd rather stay off topic like the rest of you. So here we go.

A. Theft is natural. (PERIOD, BIG FUCKING PERIOD) It has happened since the beginning of life and will continue, deal with it. The quick or the strong or the smart will ALWAYS take from the weak. Sometimes it's even justified. Most of the time it's not.

B. If theft was going to be the ruin of wally world or society in general, it would have happened a long time ago.

C. Theft is a reprehensible act. Whether from an individual or corporation. Again deal with it. If you are stealing, don't be surprised that society looks at you like you were scum.

D. If you do decide to steal, just do me the favor of not whining about how horrible your life is when you end up in jail or the hospital with a bullet in your ass. Accept the consequences of your decision, and if you are a good thief, all power to you. Maybe you can get a job working for or in the US government, I'm thinking Senator.

Now, I guess what I'm saying is.... what the hell are you all moaning about.





nice post man.../sits down & shuts up...


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: 40oz]
    #1597831 - 06/01/03 07:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

In the interest of science and technology, would anyone have the barcode files mentioned on this site? Care to share?


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: iglou]
    #1604186 - 06/03/03 10:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Your post is at 11am, are you employed?


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