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Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com
    #1469614 - 04/18/03 09:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I thought this article was great.  A good way to really show your love for corporate America :smile:

Lana

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030417/ap_on_hi_te/wal_mart_bar_codes_2

'Bar Code' Web Site Closes Under Pressure
Thu Apr 17, 5:29 PM ET  Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!


By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer

A Web site that urged visitors to lower prices for grocery items by substituting bar codes shut itself down after pressure from Wal-Mart Inc.

The site's operators, a group of tech-savvy political activists, decided to close the site Wednesday after contacts between their lawyer and those of Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer.

"I decided that maybe I'm in over my head at this point," said a member of the group who would identify himself only with the pseudonym Nathan Hactivist. He said he's a 26-year-old art student in upstate New York.

Re-code.com contained a database of bar codes with instructions on how to print them on stickers. It suggested visitors "chose their own prices" by, for instance, sticking a bar code for generic cereal on a name-brand box in the store.

The Web site's creators called it a work of satire intended to create a discussion on how prices are set by corporations. It went online March 20.

A letter from Wal-Mart's lawyers to one of the companies involved in hosting the site said re-code.com encouraged a modern version of the old scam of taking price tags from a cheap items and putting them on more expensive ones.

"Our concern has always been ... that any invitation to theft or removing items from stores at prices that are set by individuals certainly flies in the face of doing business," Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams said.

Williams would not comment on whether the company was seeking to sue the site's creators.

Hactivist, who was interviewed by phone, said the group had not received any explicit threats of legal action from Wal-Mart but felt threats were implied in the contacts with their lawyer.

The site's legal owner, Mike Bonnano of Loudonville, N.Y., said that switching store bar codes may be illegal but there was nothing illegal about the site itself.

"It's just like publishing a book with instructions," he said. Bonnano, also a political activist, was not part of the group that created the site although he owns it.
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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1469622 - 04/18/03 09:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Anno]
    #1470083 - 04/18/03 12:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

interesting.. in one perspective petty theft but in another taking pennies from the penny tray. In the end they are just going to increase prices to make up what they lost and if you havn't gone to jail by then, you're screwed anyway. Sounds like a loose-loose situation to me.. and all just for saving a couple bucks.

hehe.. reminds me of "Falling Down," where Michael Douglas decides to re-price some merchandise in the Korean's store.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1470987 - 04/18/03 06:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised to see you advocate theft.

Thieves are scumbags.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1471754 - 04/18/03 11:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Our Formal Apology:
Sorry Wal Mart?, Price Chopper?, and Kellogg's?. We hope we didn't cost you any hard earned cash.




ahahaha, hard earned!!

Anyway, stealing from individuals is abhorrent, but stealing from multi-national corporations is civic duty.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1474390 - 04/19/03 11:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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ahahaha, hard earned!!



Yes, hard earned. Usually it takes hard work, foresight and good business sense to build a successful company. Have you ever built or run a successful company?

Quote:

Anyway, stealing from individuals is abhorrent, but stealing from multi-national corporations is civic duty.



Theft is theft. Moral relativism is an infantile philosophy, you can do better than that. Try a principled view of things.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1474691 - 04/20/03 12:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Are there anysite's with the old info on them?


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1475760 - 04/20/03 08:32 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, hard earned. Usually it takes hard work, foresight and good business sense to build a successful company.




More like it takes mass exploitation of workers. Finding enough people who will work for next to nothing is the hardest part.

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Have you ever built or run a successful company?





No, I haven't. But I'm in the process right now of starting one. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Theft is theft. Moral relativism is an infantile philosophy, you can do better than that. Try a principled view of things.




Yes, theft is theft. However, it would be rather proposterous (and possibly infantile) to claim that stealing from an individual has the same moral implications as stealing from a faceless corporation. If any hard work was put into wal-mart, then it has long been obscured by the low wages it pays its employees, not to mention the self-depricating worshipping sessions they are forced to participate in.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1475763 - 04/20/03 08:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I reject moral (ethical) relativism.

Perhaps you should re-read a definition of it.

An example of it would be:

Stealing from an individual in their culture is ok because thats just the way they do things.

I however, think that stealing from an individual is universally unethical in either circumstance.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1477450 - 04/20/03 10:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

wow! Corporate Amaerica gets a ball punt! I love it.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1478395 - 04/21/03 09:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not advocating theft. 

Before this forum became the "computers and tech" forum it use to be a Computer Security forum which I enjoyed a little more.

Point is, barcodes are a form of security.  And that interests me. 

If you're a theif, you deserve what you get.  And if you go around changing the prices in a grocery store from $3.00 to $1.00, then go get a job that pays more since you're wasting more time and money on ink and supplies :smile:

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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: no-tone]
    #1478740 - 04/21/03 12:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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More like it takes mass exploitation of workers. Finding enough people who will work for next to nothing is the hardest part.



Marxist drivel. Employees freely decide to work for the corporation and can freely leave.

Quote:

Yes, theft is theft. However, it would be rather proposterous (and possibly infantile) to claim that stealing from an individual has the same moral implications as stealing from a faceless corporation.



Theft is theft, the morality is the same regardless of the victim. When people steal from Wal-Mart (who operates on a VERY thin profit margin), they are stealing from any individual who has an interest in the company. Additionally, Wal-Mart WILL pass the cost of the theft on to their honest customers by raising prices.

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If any hard work was put into wal-mart, then it has long been obscured by the low wages it pays its employees, not to mention the self-depricating worshipping sessions they are forced to participate in.



BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1481107 - 04/22/03 02:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Stickin it to the man


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: ScumBagMaximum]
    #1481538 - 04/22/03 06:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)


theft is bad...temptation to commit theft is worse...but cheaper is better... If you find a loophole, I say take it if your willing to deal with the result's...


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: funkymonk]
    #1495620 - 04/26/03 12:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

MORALS ARE FOR COWS! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Lana]
    #1514363 - 05/02/03 11:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You should have seen their site. It was a joke, and obviously the same template from priceline.com. Then when priceline contacted them, they played it off like re-code.com was part of priceline.com. How would I know this? It was arranged in a quick, yet poor manner off a nameless sources post on hactivist.
http://chris.thesmartone.net:81/~invizible/barcodescam.html


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1531405 - 05/08/03 05:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.

Such an illusion of freedom. Freedom includes not only civil liberties, but economic liberty.

I doubt people work at corporate, right-wing Christian shit-holes like Wal-Mart out of sheer will and desire. Most are poor. Some are desparate. Some have no experience or skills. etc.

Your brother must not be very economically free if he's been working for Wal-Mart on poverty wages for ten years. Ask him his opinion of spending the bulk of the last decade there and ask him the consequences of just quitting.

Options are limited. People are poor. Mouths to feed.

boycott Wal-Mart


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: iglou]
    #1531748 - 05/08/03 07:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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BULLSHIT. My brother has been a Wal-Mart employee for over ten years. All people who work there do so of their own volition.

Such an illusion of freedom.



Such meaningless drivel.

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Freedom includes not only civil liberties, but economic liberty.



If you agree with this then you should be against socialism and communism.  Good for you.

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I doubt people work at corporate, right-wing Christian shit-holes like Wal-Mart out of sheer will and desire.



Little testy aren't you?  Just because you mind is unable to grasp it doesn't mean that it is not so.  Too bad you lack the imagination or drive to build a succesful company, maybe then you wouldn't be so bitter.

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Most are poor.



Most?  The ones who get the lowest wages are generally just entering the work force and are unreliable or have not yet proven thenselves as employees (so I am told by my brother).

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Some are desparate.



So, such is the case in many areas of life.

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Some have no experience or skills. etc.



Then it's good that someone is willing to give them the experience and a chance to learn some skills.  We can't all start out of the womb with a PhD and a position as a corporate officer.

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Your brother must not be very economically free if he's been working for Wal-Mart on poverty wages for ten years.



He's doing much better than before he started, he is not on poverty wages.  Again, all employees are free to quit at anytime.

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Ask him his opinion of spending the bulk of the last decade there



I have, he likes it.  :tongue:

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... and ask him the consequences of just quitting.



There are always consequences for ones actions or inaction.  What is your point?

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Options are limited.



Your imagination is limited.

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People are poor. Mouths to feed.



Wow, welcome to planet earth.

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boycott Wal-Mart



If you boycott Wal-Mart, guess what?  You'll be putting the very people you pretend to have sympathy for out of work. 


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1532254 - 05/08/03 10:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



"Such meaningless drivel"

-picture this, you are poor. you live in a small town, your girlfriend just had a baby, the only place hiring is wal-mart.

where is the freedom? there is no freedom here, only responsibility.


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Re: Go to the store and name your price! with re-code.com [Re: Evolving]
    #1534544 - 05/09/03 02:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Little testy aren't you? Just because you mind is unable to grasp it doesn't mean that it is not so. Too bad you lack the imagination or drive to build a succesful company, maybe then you wouldn't be so bitter.

I am not interested in building a community-destroying, individuality-squashing Christianity-indoctrinating faux "Made in the USA" mega-entity like Wal-Mart. No thanks.

If you agree with this then you should be against socialism and communism. Good for you.

I am opposed to statism and corporatism in all forms. I am a proponent of true free markets - not the so-called "market" that Wal-Mart shoves down peoples' throats.

The ones who get the lowest wages are generally just entering the work force and are unreliable or have not yet proven thenselves as employees (so I am told by my brother).

Merit and knowledge do not always transfer into wages. And besides, poverty is not just the lack of renumeration but also the lack of decision-making and self-management in a place where one spends the bulk of his or her waking hours.

Some are desparate.
So, such is the case in many areas of life.


Gee, I wonder why.

Then it's good that someone is willing to give them the experience and a chance to learn some skills. We can't all start out of the womb with a PhD and a position as a corporate officer.

Breadcrumbs.

Please. As if Wal-Mart were some great bastion of knowledge and liberty. Any place that limits an individuals' ability to self-manage is limiting their intellectual and emotional development.

As for gaining experience, I am sure that these people would have learned much, much more working in or operating the Mom & Pop stores that Wal-Mart seeks to destroy.

Again, all employees are free to quit at anytime.

Liberty of choice is barren if there are no alternatives. And the way that Wal-Mart systematically operates, alternatives are few.

Your imagination is limited.

Limited like your arguments? Nice ad hominem.

If you boycott Wal-Mart, guess what? You'll be putting the very people you pretend to have sympathy for out of work.

How Orwellian of you.

No, I am interested in creating and supporting the alternatives that Wal-Mart actively seeks to wipe-out.   

Have a good day :smile: 


Edited by iglou (05/09/03 02:10 PM)


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