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OfflineAnarchyAndPeace
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soil okay to roll in instead of verm?
    #14694304 - 06/29/11 09:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

hey guys. Went to walmart to find verm (my cakes are dunking right now) and they didn't have any so I picked up potting soil instead, as I thought I remembered reading this can be a sub for the roll. Is this okay? Should I roll cakes in the potting soil after the dunk? Or am I misinformed?

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14694316 - 06/29/11 09:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Do you not have a garden center anywhere near you? i got a big bag of vermiculite and perlite for 3$ each today at the garden center near me. Home depot, and wallmart never have shit for gardening supplies.


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: Legend]
    #14694323 - 06/29/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well is potting soil okay?

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14694350 - 06/29/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

no.


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14694351 - 06/29/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You used up all your verm when making your cakes???...  I'm confused :uhoh:


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14694357 - 06/29/11 09:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Potting soil is organic and contains contaminants. Vermiculite is non-organic and holds moisture better. I think potting soil is a bad idea. Look for vermiculite at home depot, Lowe's, garden stores nurseries.


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: overstand]
    #14694372 - 06/29/11 10:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

No.  Soil is not ok.

VERM: It's with potted plant stuff. ALWAYS.  right next to the perlite.  usually only nurseries carry the bigger, giant, bags (at least where I am) but Lowes, Homedepot, (sometimes walmart) all have small bags of both, somewhere next to the miracle grow blood meal and bone meal.

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: drwatson]
    #14694442 - 06/29/11 10:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Man try ace hardware, its the only place in my area where I can find

the stuff, right next to perlight. Im gonna go out on a limb here and

say u could use it instead of verm so long as u leach(leach it cause

its full of fertilizers) and sterilize it (cause its full of contams).



This is a pic of a small piece of pf cake that was contaminated so I cut it off(mutilated the cake) and buried it in the pot with the plant. The soil was far from sterile and the fc was the leaves for humidity. But it worked just fine so in my opinion it should work fine but if I could not find verm I wouldnt roll it at all.

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14694497 - 06/29/11 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Did you NOT read the tek or something?? I mean, yes, I made a few implementations, but I used all the correct ingredients and materials. FOLLOW THE TEK.

I don't even know how soil would be the least bit comparable to vermiculite. Soil is used for PLANTS, mushrooms are not plants, they're fungi.

Do you have everything else you need or do you still need to buy perlite and a shot gun fruiting chamber?

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14694502 - 06/29/11 10:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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This is a pic of a small piece of pf cake that was contaminated so I cut it off(mutilated the cake) and buried it in the pot with the plant. The soil was far from sterile and the fc was the leaves for humidity. But it worked just fine so in my opinion it should work fine but if I could not find verm I wouldnt roll it at all.




This worked because it was not in a fruiting chamber where FAE is limited. Putting the contaminate in that much FAE inhibited it's growth giving the mycelium better chances of fighting it; also, since it was a small piece of already established mycelium  it doesn't have to really fight off the other beasties lurking in the soil before having the option to fruit - this wouldn't happen in a fruiting chamber with a cake rolled in soil that doesn't have nearly the levels of FAE.  The cake would contaminate.

:2cents:

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: drwatson]
    #14694542 - 06/29/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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This worked because it was not in a fruiting chamber where FAE is limited. Putting the contaminate in that much FAE inhibited it's growth giving the mycelium better chances of fighting it; also, since it was a small piece of already established mycelium  it doesn't have to really fight off the other beasties lurking in the soil before having the option to fruit - this wouldn't happen in a fruiting chamber with a cake rolled in soil that doesn't have nearly the levels of FAE.  The cake would contaminate




Who cares man just let him try. I wanna try this now cause I hate being told no. LOL Oh yea and their wasnt much fae 1 inch below the soil surface and the pile of leaves u see covered the surface of that spot so fae wasnt a factor at all.  :rockon:

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: drwatson]
    #14694556 - 06/29/11 10:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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drwatson said:
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the astronaut said:


This is a pic of a small piece of pf cake that was contaminated so I cut it off(mutilated the cake) and buried it in the pot with the plant. The soil was far from sterile and the fc was the leaves for humidity. But it worked just fine so in my opinion it should work fine but if I could not find verm I wouldnt roll it at all.




This worked because it was not in a fruiting chamber where FAE is limited. Putting the contaminate in that much FAE inhibited it's growth giving the mycelium better chances of fighting it; also, since it was a small piece of already established mycelium  it doesn't have to really fight off the other beasties lurking in the soil before having the option to fruit - this wouldn't happen in a fruiting chamber with a cake rolled in soil that doesn't have nearly the levels of FAE.  The cake would contaminate.

:2cents:




so if i got a contam i could crumble and put outside? If they grew mushrooms, would they be safe to eat?


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: Legend]
    #14694611 - 06/29/11 11:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

thanks everyone :laugh:. And to thoses kinda bein asses about it, misread info, thanks for correcting me :smile:. No roll then, lets see how my first flush goes. Wish me luck all!

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14694613 - 06/29/11 11:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck! :sun:


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: Legend]
    #14694618 - 06/29/11 11:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:fonz: good luck


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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: Wing]
    #14694646 - 06/29/11 11:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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so if i got a contam i could crumble and put outside? If they grew mushrooms, would they be safe to eat?


  Correct, and u dont even have to crumble them just throw it in a hole and cover with half inch soil. And yes the fruits are safe to eat, try it if u dont believe me. Peace

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14695551 - 06/30/11 03:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There is little to gain with such practice as the mycelia will not grow in a vegetative state, post jar so to speak. I once tried to slice up cakes just for fun and covered them with verm, thus re-enacting your experiment, only with verm instead of soil. It worked just fine, however I got the same shitty small results, so there is no gaining in doing what you just did, its just a fun thing thats all.

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ohh, heres the result:)



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Edited by kdmmontana (07/01/11 05:37 PM)

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14695824 - 06/30/11 06:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

thanks :smile: ^ trust me, not angry, I love you guys, you're about to bring me my first trip :laugh: if I can get my humidity up :/

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: AnarchyAndPeace]
    #14696220 - 06/30/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Lowes carries Verm if you have one close. It's kept outside with the additives in the garden center. I could not find it at Home Depot.

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Re: soil okay to roll in instead of verm? [Re: DeepSpace9]
    #14698037 - 06/30/11 05:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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There is little to gain with such practice as the mycelia will not grow in a vegetative state, post jar so to speak. I once tried to slice up cakes just for fun and covered them with verm, thus re-enacting your experiment, only with verm instead of soil. It worked just fine, however I got the same shitty small results, so there is no gaining in doing what you just did, its just a fun thing thats all.



When u roll a wet cake in dry verm ur kinda making a mini

casing layer and soil is a great casing since its what mother nature

uses right? When a cake is fully colonized it is very contam

resistant, its usually the bulk grows that are easily contaminated.

And that pic is not at all a re-enacting my experiment (u used verm

and I used soil). That pot is huge and I put all kinds of stuff in

there to decompose (leaves from bonsai tree, pieces of rotten

vegetables, receipts from the gas station, sticks from bonsai tree,

card board pieces) and I have been puting all that trash in there for

over 1 year now to enrich the soil so its plum full of contamination

both bacteria and molds. Im not out to get u man just saying it would

work, I dont even think ud have to sterilize the soil just do it to be

safe. Mushrooms grow in the wild without any sterile conditions  or

somone cooking, misting, faning, light bulbs or all that other shit

and they grow just fine and happy as hell. Oh and dont worry about the

reading cause thats been done years ago and I do have a side as I

posted it and mind ur ratings as well.  LOL right,  peace man. And by

the way most of us dont grow for distribution just for fun.

Edited by the astronaut (06/30/11 10:25 PM)

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