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Mini Dub Tub Help Needed
    #14692425 - 06/29/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

OK so I have 3 pints of fully colonized rye, I wanted to make a Mini Dub tub using 2 6qt containers. I need someone to double check my calculations make sure everything is fine, all input is appreciated, I have about 10qts of rye colonizing but since it is my first grow I wanted to get a little experience with a small grow before I go bigger. So after reading and doing some math I have come up with the following, I measured and I need 4 quarts to reach my desired 3" sub depth. So here is the math I did, I have 1.5 quarts of spawn which means i need 2.5 quarts of substrate and I was thinking of using 1/4 brick of Coco Coir, 1/2 pint Vermiculite and and 1 quart of water which if my math is correct should come out somewhere about 2.5 - 3quarts total. to prepare my Coir im using the Damions 50/50 coir tek. I dont have a bucket but since im using such small amounts I dont think i will need more than just a really deep pot.

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14692464 - 06/29/11 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I did exactly that except i did 1 quart spawn each tub instead of 1.5. I was unhappy with results. Then I did it again with 3 quarts spawn and was much more impressed. If you're going to use just the 1.5 then perhaps consider adding a nitrogen boost like coffee, manure, or guano.


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: anonjon]
    #14692556 - 06/29/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what is the least amount of manure I could add? I mean im not really sure  but i don't feel too comfortable keeping manure in my house, would it smell? (i have had to remove certain things growing in my apartment before due to smell not really because of neighbors because well you cant really tell there is anyone else in the building, but because of my stepson which is against all of this) im afraid of using coffee because since im new i read that there is allot of possibilities for contamination with coffee and guano i have no idea where to get, I need a quick solution as these jars have been fully colonized and consolidating for over a week already

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14692622 - 06/29/11 04:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I could add another pint of spawn and recalculate, I was going to use the fourth jar to g2g to 8 more pint jars which I am currently pressure cooking, I could just noc dem up with an lc I have and add this to the dub tub but I really want to g2g since ive read its so fast, what would be the most beneficial for me will that pint really make that much of a difference in the dub tub?

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14692868 - 06/29/11 05:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

No. Go with your plan. If you had the extra spawn it'd be worth it. But since you already have a plan, go with it. You'll still get a good result.


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: anonjon]
    #14702922 - 07/01/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ok well I need help again, im not sure where I went wrong, I checked all my measurements and math and it all fit however when I prepared the dubtub my substrate was too low, 5/8" to be exact. Did I maybe remove too much water? I prepaired my coir according to damions50/50 tek but with adjusted quantities like I put above and when I got ready to use it I realized it was way too wet so I squeezed out water until it was like in RR's video. However after adding in eveything I was way below my 3" goal. How could this affect my grow? Help is really appreciated thanks.

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14703506 - 07/01/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oof, yeah such a thin sub would be subject to drying out and since there's not enough bulk to produce the necessary humidity you'll see poor pinning.

You need more substrate to be direct.

If you do choose to go with that pancake thin substrate, you'll want to keep a close eye on humidity and substrate moisture and you'll probably want to use a casing layer to improve pinning and moderate moisture loss or wax paper at a minimum.

The problem probably wasn't the water or your math but rather the imprecise way that people refer to measurements of volume on the forum.


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: anonjon]
    #14704617 - 07/01/11 11:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Alright following ur advicei  bought some peat moss to mix with vermeculite for casing, when should I  begin checking  the tub to make sure it didnt dry out? Its been 3 days today I dont know if it was necessary but since I see it done with monos I placed inside a black bag, holes sealed in the closet.



Off the subject just curios what is the smallest amount of sub u can get to fruit? I had 4 or 5 fully colonized grains I left in the jar I put it inside a bottle cap with some of the coir mix, I placed a large bandaid over it. I did that messing around, but in theory woukd it work?

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14704630 - 07/01/11 11:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh and thnx for taking the time to help me out.

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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14705544 - 07/02/11 06:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yes any small amount of grain can fruit. If you put a single grain on agar it will fruit given enuff time. Off course the fruit will be miniscule.

However if you make tiny pins like this you can use them to start clone strain master jars. You can grow them in a sterile environment like a sealed quarter pint jar. They are a very vigorous starter.

Mixing peat moss with your bulk sub can be dangerous because it tends to be so heavily loaded with trich spores. I hope u did a very thorough pasteurization.


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: anonjon]
    #14707393 - 07/02/11 04:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't cased yet, after preparing it the other day I placed it in a black bag and set it in the closet, I was thinking of late casing because I don't want to disturb it. I can return the peat moss what do u suggest I use instead?


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: Dr. No Clue]
    #14707442 - 07/02/11 05:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Peat moss is fine to use, just pasteurize it. I just dump boiling water on my peat moss then add verm and lime to get it right. You do need to pH balance peat. You can just use 30-40% coir with 60-70% verm for a casing layer too, if you dont want to pH balance.

Late casings are not really casings and dont do the same, I would put the casing layer on and let it partially colonize the casing layer before introducing fruiting conditions.


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Re: Mini Dub Tub Help Needed [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14715876 - 07/04/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah peat is fine for casing. I got the impression you were going to just add it to the substrate.


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