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Newshroomite
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Not enough FAE or something else? pics
#14690596 - 06/29/11 08:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dunk and rolled all these cakes about 3-5 days ago, they all had a layer of vermiculite i rolled them in. Some of verm fell off due to to hard of mist im guessing. A few though it didnt fall off cake just engulfed it basically. Also getting some really thick white crystals almost at bottom of cakes. is that from them sitting in water, not enough FAE or is this contam. Didnt put this in contam forum since dont think it is. Believe it just me being noob n still learning. Any info be appreciated.
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HybridprX
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: Newshroomite]
#14690614 - 06/29/11 08:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats normal, mycelium will branch out like that to collect water vapour. It mostly happens when there is low humidity and the mycelium on those cakes look fairly dry.
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HorizonSpawn
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HybridprX]
#14690629 - 06/29/11 08:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is your fruiting chamber experiment going??? Hmmmmm; hope you get enough fresh air exchange with such few holes...
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Newshroomite
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14690662 - 06/29/11 08:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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HorizonSpawn said: How is your fruiting chamber experiment going??? Hmmmmm; hope you get enough fresh air exchange with such few holes...
Was wondering if some1 was gonna say something about that. I have a ceiling fan going in room to help with that. Thought few less holes less humidity escaping.... ? Also think fan is contributing to them drying out faster. Unfortanatly i cant be home all day to mist and fan myself. I work 8-12 hours a day. I mist in morning before leave for work and right away when i get home. usually then two more time before going to bed in evening. Also suprised no1 asked why some verm mixed in with perlite in one chamber..... Didnt think would hurt it so why i did it. Also being misting with tap water and alil bit of H202 mixed in.
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HorizonSpawn
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: Newshroomite]
#14690715 - 06/29/11 08:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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If your tap water is contaminated with chlorines and flourides, then you would be better off with distilled H2O. Furthermore; mixing H2O2 with chlorinated tap water is never ideal (mycology or otherwise)... Also; H2O2 does what it does by causing rapid oxidation. This is not ideal for your mycelium... I would reserve its use to if/when you encounter something like cobweb.
Be blessed
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Newshroomite
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14690748 - 06/29/11 09:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for info. Ill stop using h202 all the time. One of my problems so interested in learning shit alot of posts end up being old outdated info. Hard to filter alot of it. Read in another post tap water is ok, some say otherwise. I was only using distilled steam water. Never tested it but dont think chlorine or floride is too high in my area. then again i may just be used to it since i always just drank tap water.
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AcidOnTap
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14690755 - 06/29/11 09:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have newb questions.
What is more important that would directly affect the fruiting FAE or Humidity?
My fruits look a little scaley what would cause this?
Also a cake or two has small fruits that look like theyre growing on the slow side and may not get very big but theres a lot of them is this genetic?
Ive also been getting mutants could this be from damaged cakes or....
Edited by AcidOnTap (06/29/11 09:59 AM)
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Newshroomite
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: AcidOnTap]
#14690770 - 06/29/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thread Hijak Acid? lol Both matter from what i have read. Evaporating water initiates pinning. too high humidity can cause lots of pins but no growth will just abort. No fresh air can cause N20 too biuld up high. Forget what that will do but wont grow right. Think i read too much humidity also causes the mutants. Im still a newb myself.
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HorizonSpawn
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: Newshroomite]
#14690803 - 06/29/11 09:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah... Both... Evaporation of moisture from the mycelium is the main trigger to start creating fruit bodies. So, FAE is very very important; in nature they get immeasurable amounts compared to most home-grown ops... However; moisture is needed to be present in order to have evaporation...
In nature; we see fruit bodies form when a hardy rain is followed by a short "dry" spell. Other factors are involved as well (depending on the fungi species); such as PH, temp, hours of daylight, etc...
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tracingBigTime
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14691005 - 06/29/11 10:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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After this flush. I would dunk them, reroll (I usually dont do this) and wait 45 minutes for the verm to get stuck to the cake. It looks like you misted too close or too soon.
put 1/4 inch of verm on the top and use a syringe to make wet.
Fan and mist more often and your next flush will be awesome!
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AcidOnTap
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14691152 - 06/29/11 11:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes a minor deviation from the thread topic though the cakes look very similar to my own.
Any how so with the humidifier I should let it get foggy and humid up but then let sit and dry up some to let the fruits grow?
It seems they grow over night without the humidifier running and I fan before going to bed. Also like I said they seem scaly and mutant which is all the same to me but obviously something can be done to better the conditions.
My hygrometer says 95 all the time but will drop if I let it should I fan more and use the verm and maybe let up on the fog a little bit?
thanks for the help
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tracingBigTime
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: AcidOnTap]
#14691638 - 06/29/11 01:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ii have a cool mist vaporizer. I let it fog the chamber constantly. I get great results. I get alot of FAE just by using the vap, but I fan ( actually I have a vacumn that sucks all the air/co2 out ) 3x daily before pins occur and then 5 to 10 X daily after.
No such thing as too much humidity. As long as there isn't pools of water on the myc!!!!
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Newshroomite
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: tracingBigTime]
#14691843 - 06/29/11 01:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks alot. Yeah i figured i was misting too close. right from top of FC almost. Now i stand up and do it from about my waist. Seems to not knock it off. Just was worried about funny white crystals on them. I rerolled a few already after i posted since dunk was just yesterday for some of them. The one thought verm didnt come off literally mycelium just engulfed it lol. Just got a few shroomies off a few cakes one i havent wieghed yet but atleast 7g wet if not more i took cap off and using for print since it opened all the way.
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AcidOnTap
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Re: Not enough FAE or something else? pics [Re: Newshroomite]
#14692326 - 06/29/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you think I get enough fae from the ultrasonic? Its either that these cakes are damaged from being my first run ...or theres not enough FAE to keep up with the ultrasonic. They seem to be doing well theres just what seems to be mutants and also like a thousand pins that get only so big and then stop growing. 
I have a fogger as well I think I just havent got the FAE completely automated yet so that why the delay. But I have definitely gotten better results this flush now that conditions are a little more ideal.
A vacuum huh.
Edited by AcidOnTap (06/29/11 07:34 PM)
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