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Why.....?
    #14689587 - 06/29/11 02:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If BRF is "Almost too nutritious" (RR). But Rye or WBS is reccomended for bulk substrate. Wouldn't Brown Rice be a better choice then Rye for bulk? Why is one grain better than another (corn excluded)? Seems to me that if the grain is ground and BRF is the best then it shouldnt matter. Why then does Rye become the better choice if kept whole? Does this have to do with moisture retention?

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Re: Why.....? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14689675 - 06/29/11 02:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

rye makes it hit from being able to agitate it mid colonization due to the course and texture of it, and how lenient it is on the mycelium network that runs through it... think about kneeding a spawn bag that has partially colonized brf it would be like pressing mash around in a bag. mycelium takes brf a little differently oppose to loose grain that can be agitated and redistributed.


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Re: Why.....? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14689711 - 06/29/11 02:50 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Any grain with a husk is recommended.  Rice has no husk and when pressure cooked/hydrated it is no longer suitable for colonizing,  many have tried and a few have succeeded but any grain with a husk still will work better.
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Re: Why.....? [Re: CH HELL]
    #14689732 - 06/29/11 02:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Any grain with a husk is recommended.  Rice has no husk and when pressure cooked/hydrated it is no longer suitable for colonizing,  many have tried and a few have succeeded but any grain with a husk still will work better.
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Roger that.

Its about the husk then? Is this a moisture retention isssue, or a nutrition issue?


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Re: Why.....? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14689757 - 06/29/11 03:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

its a texture issue, spreading colonized rye berries> breaking up clumps of brf. one just spreads more even thats all.


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Re: Why.....? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14690194 - 06/29/11 06:54 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

If you've tried to colonize whole rice you would understand why grains are recommended. its almost impossible to break up rice to speed up colonization, and when spawning to bulk..other whole grains require aot less effort


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Re: Why.....? [Re: USASpores]
    #14690584 - 06/29/11 10:06 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Not to be an ass but I use whole brown rice all the time and it works great. The trick is to put some verm in with it to keep it kinda dry. Its cheap readily available at any grocery store. And once its about  1\3 colonized it breaks up a lot easyer than a freshly made jar. Some of my best yields were with whole brown rice cased with verm. I wish more people would try it instead of cutting it short cause it didnt work the first or second try. And I use it cause I have never seen rye berrys at any store Iv shopped at, I know u can find it at health food stores but I dont like going out of my way unless its mandatory.


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Re: Why.....? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14690630 - 06/29/11 10:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The size of mushrooms depend on the depth of the substrate regardless of what you spawn the substrate with, pf cakes or whole grains.

The reason grains are most widely used is because of the individual kernel size allows for a wide area of inoculation points into the bulk substrate which allows a higher spawn to bulk ratio. Rye 1:4 WBS 1:6

If you were using pf cakes and you wanted a deep monotub for larger mushrooms then you would require anywhere from 30-40 cakes which can be spawned at a 1:2 ratio.

The other advantage of grain over cakes is the wide array of propagation techniques that can be used to create grain cultures like G2G transfers and agar wedges from isolated cultures. Grain jars also require much less spore solution to be used.

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