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Pachydermy
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Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth?
#14684523 - 06/28/11 04:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I've read it seems like injecting more spores is a bad idea, but what if you inoculate more points, will you get faster growth? Say you still deposit the .25ml in each hole (pf tek), but did half toward the bottom and the other half farther up the glass, thereby increasing the number of growth points (4 to 8) w/o increasing the actual volume per jar? Anyone ever try this?
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Doc_T
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Pachydermy]
#14684532 - 06/28/11 04:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really any faster. And faster is not better anyway. Follow the standard methods, that's what will work best. We do it that way because that's what works- you should follow the tek.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684550 - 06/28/11 05:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Give it a try and let us know how did it go 
Testing new things is always good
I would guess it colonizes faster, but how do you plan on injecting up the glass ?
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: krikukiks]
#14684560 - 06/28/11 05:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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krikukiks said: Testing new things is always good
Not true. Also, this is not new.
Follow the tek for best results. Over the years, many many growers have refined the tek, observing the results from hundreds of grow involving tens of thousands of jars. What makes you think you can just freestyle your way past that?
Follow the tek until you get excellent yields. Then and only then are you prepared to experiment.
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Pachydermy
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684573 - 06/28/11 05:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wordum... I shall perfect the tek first, then perhaps get creative later.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Pachydermy]
#14684580 - 06/28/11 05:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trickle in just enough spore solution to see it run down the side of the substrate. 1/4 mL is an estimate, it's trickier to do than you might think.
but please please please follow the tek!
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684587 - 06/28/11 05:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had a lot of syringe work (not an addict, I work in the medical field), but will do! Thanks for the tips Doc!
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Pachydermy]
#14684588 - 06/28/11 05:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, that's a plus. Handling the syringe is probably the second-biggest source of contams (after the contents of the syringe).
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684591 - 06/28/11 05:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wanna say i read in a similar post that RR said adding more spore juice can mess up the hydration ratio and possibly cause stalling/contamination issues. Use just a tiny bit theres thousands of spores in a syringe way more than you actually need to fill a jar with myc growth. less really is more in this situation.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684596 - 06/28/11 05:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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krikukiks said: Testing new things is always good
Not true. Also, this is not new.
Follow the tek for best results. Over the years, many many growers have refined the tek, observing the results from hundreds of grow involving tens of thousands of jars. What makes you think you can just freestyle your way past that?
Follow the tek until you get excellent yields. Then and only then are you prepared to experiment.
Well thats why I m not experimenting yet...
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Rewindicus
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Rewindicus]
#14684599 - 06/28/11 05:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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adding to doc-t's comment of "Trickle in just enough spore solution to see it run down the side of the substrate." ......and push it really slow! on my first batch of jars i blasted a whole 10ML syringe into 5 1/2 pint jars lol. which was WAAAAYYY overkill i just re-did 8 more the other day with the appropriate 1/4ML per hole and they are growing faster than the 1 ML per hole jars i made previously.
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Pachydermy
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Rewindicus]
#14684605 - 06/28/11 05:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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should be golden then
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: krikukiks]
#14684606 - 06/28/11 05:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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krikukiks said: Well thats why I m not experimenting yet... 
and remember there's a difference between an experiment and just dicking around wasting time and resources. An experiment tests something against something else. If you change something without comparing that to the original method, that's not an experiment, it's just failing to follow the tek.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684629 - 06/28/11 05:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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pachy! just curious what do you do in medical?
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Pachydermy
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Rewindicus]
#14684646 - 06/28/11 05:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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let's just say pachyderms aren't beyond the scope of possible patients.
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Edited by Pachydermy (06/28/11 01:31 PM)
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Doc_T
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Pachydermy]
#14684654 - 06/28/11 05:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds cool- do you specialize in species at that point? Or is it by area of knowledge like with people doctors?
Tek note- For pf jars, I use a fifth hole in the center of the lid. But be careful if you do this, you are shooting blind. Just use the same motion as shooting any other hole. I only mention this because you already have syringe skills, otherwise I wouldn't bring it up.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684681 - 06/28/11 06:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Follow the tek until you get excellent yields. Then and only then are you prepared to experiment.
True. But experimenting is a way of learning how to get it right. When you experiment new things, you make many mistakes and mistakes are your best friends in this hobby (and in this life, for that matter). My advice: read everything you can, explore the established teks, then make mistakes. Lots of them.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14684693 - 06/28/11 06:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed you learn from mistakes. But that's not experimentation, it's making mistakes.
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684699 - 06/28/11 06:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i agree with doc, i made tons of stupid mistakes, and still got some mushrooms.
but i dont post teks here saying the SGFC sucks and you dont need holes on all 6 sides cuz i got it to work without them
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Re: Will more inoculate points lead to faster growth? [Re: Doc_T]
#14684781 - 06/28/11 06:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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On the contrary experimentation is the ability and the possibility of making mistakes. A group of scientists, under controlled conditions, make thousands of mistakes in order to demonstrate a truth, or examine the validity of a hypothesis. They need mistakes. "In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable; and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality" (Karl Popper). Besides major breakthroughs in the history of science have come, not only as a result of empirical research or logic, but also through mistakes and creative imagination (Albert Hoffman's potion docet). Paul Feyerabend's Against Method is a very interesting reading on this subject. This is way off topic though
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Edited by LeopardMan (06/28/11 07:14 AM)
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