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Help me build my new gaming rig.
    #14674712 - 06/26/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=31&name=Barebone-Kits&cm_sp=Masthead-_-Computer%20Parts-_-Spot%2002

I am looking for a amd based barebones starter kit that I would like to build up to a decent gaming rig. My budget is 1200-1000 dollars and the last computer I built was 8 years ago. So, I really do not know shit about all the new hardware. Any advice and reccoimendations on the barebones setup with additional hardware would be appreciated. 5 shrooms to all who help.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14674730 - 06/26/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I cant help with specifics, but you should definitely get your stuff from Newegg! I bought almost my entire computer with the same budget you have... Two years later and this thing still runs like a monster. Dual GeForce cards, one is hooked up to my 42' LED TV... AMAZING playing computer games on it!!!! Someone on the shroomery helped me build it too. So if I can get ahold of him, maybe he can help you out.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14674768 - 06/26/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks man, that would be appreciated. Never tried newegg out. Reason I brought up tiger-direct is that they have a brick-and-mortar store close by, so I can easily pick up what I need. +5. You got dual cards and all that for my budget? Nice.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14674799 - 06/26/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Should I ask for this to be moved to the pub?


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675279 - 06/26/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I work tech support for an Nvidia-based GPU/MB company so I can help you with picking parts that will be compatible with each other.
AMD isn't really my niche, as I'm almost purely an Intel/Nvidia guy. But I've helped a bunch of shroomerites build rigs.

But if you want to pick a motherboard/CPU combo that is in your budget, give me the details on what kind of games you intend on playing and what kind of performance you expect, I can help you put together a solid gaming rig. (And what your budget is)

I suggest start here - http://www.newegg.com/Store/ComboDeals.aspx?ComboStoreID=1&name=CPUs-Motherboards
Newegg/Tiger has combo deals on Motherboards/CPUs, so maybe start with one of those and I can help you with the rest.

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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: Shroomism]
    #14675331 - 06/26/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My budget is 800-1100, with the plan to add about an additional 500-800 within 6-8 months after the initial build. As far as games, I play anything and everything, across all genres.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269


I like this board and processor combo, this will be my first amd desktop. My last rig was a dual-core p4 3ghz with nvidia fx5200 card. Thankyou for your help, it is greatly appreciated. I really am lost with all the new hardware.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675349 - 06/26/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Really would like a pretty decent startup for 800-950 though.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675446 - 06/26/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's a pretty decent starter board, you are talking about this combo right? - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.661628

Someone else will probably suggest an ATI/AMD based card for the cheapness factor,
Since they are like my arch enemies I'm only going to suggest Nvidia :grin:

With that board in mind, for a basic build you are going to need:

- DDR3 dual channel Memory -  I would go with something like this -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231402 or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220558

- A decent modern high end video card capable of handling the latest games.
I would suggest the GTX560Ti for price/performance ratio. DX11 support and so on.
You can always add another one later on down the line for SLI support for even better gaming performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130628 - comes with Crysis 2, and has a lifetime warranty if registered within 30 days of purchase.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130610 - the reference model

- A decent PSU. (Please, do NOT skimp on the power supply, buy something reputable). So many people I talk to on a daily basis build high end gaming rigs with thousands in components and then skimp out and buy the cheapest PSU they can get, and then have tons of problems. The PSU is the lifeblood of your system and attaches to EVERYTHING in the system. Buy a quality PSU. I cannot stress this enough.

With the 560Ti and your average system, you need a minimum of 500 watts with at least 30amps on the +12v rail. If you plan on adding a 2nd 560Ti down the line, you need to plan ahead and buy a PSU that is capable of supporting that. (~750-1000watts)
My favorite PSU manufacturers are: Corsair, PC Power and Cooling, Enermax, Silverstone, Antec
STAY AWAY FROM: Ultra, HEC, Kingwin, Raidmax, Rosewill, Thermaltake(except their high end ones), and any other generic POS.

This is a very good PSU that will serve your needs fine in that system - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
Or you could step up to - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010
^ That PSU would probably even support a 2nd 560Ti if you decided to add one later one.
or - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139025

There are lots of options out there. Just don't skimp and get a crappy PSU. You don't have to spend a fortune, but just don't get a shitty one. If you do, you will regret it.
Spend the extra $40 or whatever and buy the better quality PSU.

- A hard drive(s)
I suggest two of these to start with - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Maybe add an SSD further down the line

- You will want a decent aftermarket CPU heatsink, because the stock intel/AMD ones suck. Something like this would work just fine - http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=M020-00-000234&family=Peripherals&sw=22

- Then you just want a decent case to put it all in. I suggest Cooler Master or Antec as they make some good cases.
As you are looking at a Micro-ATX build, you don't need something huge but you want something with good airflow.
I'd probably go with something like a Antec 900 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168111290213
Or even an Antec 300 if you want to go cheaper - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
Or CoolerMaster HAF 922 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197


That should get you started. You can always upgrade later.
I haven't tallied that all up or anything, but it should be right around 1k. You can cut corners in a few places if need be, but don't skimp on the GPU and PSU as you are building a gaming rig.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: Shroomism]
    #14675470 - 06/26/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So, will this be all I need to be up and running? Thanks alot for your time.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675484 - 06/26/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's the basics. Mobo, CPU, heatsink, RAM, GPU, PSU, HDDs, Case.
It depends on what you already have. You will want to add a DVDrom or CDRom drive if you don't have one (~$20).
Of course this doesn't include mouse, keyboard and monitor.
And then you just need Windows or whatever OS you are installing, bam good to go.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: Shroomism]
    #14675589 - 06/26/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah they have those bundles on newegg, I'd go look over there, here is a sale:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229255&cm_sp=Tab_PCs_%26%2338%3b_Laptops-_-Weekly_Deals-_-83-229-255

but it isn't a bundle. funny enough, I can't find the bundles anymore, I found that part of the web site already, but now it seems completely gone, shroomism probably posted it already though


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: Shroomism]
    #14675596 - 06/26/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks again man, really appreciate it. Do need an optical drive and a monitor, but those are cheap now. Anything I should look out for on monitors?


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675618 - 06/26/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks again man, really appreciate it. Do need an optical drive and a monitor, but those are cheap now. Anything I should look out for on monitors?



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love2shpongleIRL said:
Thanks again man, really appreciate it. Do need an optical drive and a monitor, but those are cheap now. Anything I should look out for on monitors?




well if you are doing gaming, might as well get an hd monitor. 720 or 1060 is the way to go.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14675619 - 06/26/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looking at the description of some of those barebone packages seem alluring at first glance, but it's nice to have the complete details.  For instance the system that has the Sabertooth x58 with the i7-960... it also has a HAF tower so there are some great components there except why add water cooling to a 750 watt PSU that they don't give specifics about?  If you want to run a Bloomfield cpu and Crossfire/SLI then you'll need more than 750 watts if it isn't 80+ Silver certified (most likely).  I know you want AMD, but that package caught my eye so I'm just using it as an example.  It's stated the system has water for the power hungry i7 it has, but hitting 4 GHz on that isn't going to help you much if you simply buy a good video card. 

In the end you're paying someone since they put it together, and it really doesn't take a lot of time to do what they've done (I think it's the most fun part of the build anyway!).  Signup for the Newegg email(s) and you'll get them all the time, and they have great deals.  I bought the base components for my desktop this way like my PSU, DVD-RW, SSD, etc.  On an 850 watt 80+ Gold PSU that's modular I saved like $70.  Building it from scratch will give you more bang for your buck and you'll be able to nicely do your wiring after putting everything in your tower.

AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Motherboard
Sapphire Flex Radeon HD 6950
CoolerMaster 800 watt 80+ Gold Modular PSU
$830

That's top of the line pretty much so there is a lot of room for lowering PSU power if you want to do Crossfire or something like that.  Not getting that motherboard could save you $100. I arbitrarily picked it since I read a review for it the other day.  Obviously getting core components that are the newest will allow for a good amount of upgrading in the future.  The only other thing you'll probably purchase that will be over $100 will your HDD depending on if you want RAID 0 (SSDs are a lot) and your tower.  I'm assuming you maybe have the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14676276 - 06/26/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks alot man, last card I bought was an nvidia, does ati still have compatibility issues?


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14677301 - 06/26/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It shouldn't with the newer AMD boards since AMD=ATI.  I have an i7-950 on the motherboard I posted, but the x58 version for the Intel processor and it is amazing.  Right now I'm running two Sapphire 6970's in crossfire and it's gorgeous at 1920 resolution on a 25" monitor.  The downer is that the 6950's originally sold at release were the exact same as the 6970's, and this is common but the mfg. will physically alter the card to limit the performance, except the only thing limiting the 6950 was the BIOS.  A guy quickly realized that and modded the VBIOS for the card and effectively made it into the 6970.  The only difference is that the 70's OC higher than the 50's, but for the price difference I almost returned mine because I bought it in late December of last year.

I could help you out a bit more, and let you know of any coupon codes for shit you may need when I get my email tonight around 5am.  Do you have HDD's, a monitor, keyboard, mouse, maybe even a nice full tower?  If you have all of those to get by for a bit you can build a fucking nice system very easily with your budget.  Like the power supply, I don't skimp on my case either and have strictly bought CoolerMaster towers since 2004 because of their quality.  I have the HAF-X now and I fucking LOVE IT!  It's so huge that I'm putting water blocks on my 6970's in August.  I saw benchmarks from a guy that did it and he had it cranked so they'd have fried out on air, but he ran FurMark for over 24 hours and the cards never went much above room temp! 8-O  Insane shit... I dumped $2400 on this build though so I'm gonna squeeze every last year out of it I can.  It chews the fuck out of any game. 

With crossfire though you need to remember to install the crossfire application profile (CAP) from your mfg. driver site.  That Sabertooth board is very nice and is really good at keeping cool.  My tower has a shitload of fans but my temps are very low on both the north/south bridge and it has plenty of connectors.  Just to warn you though, getting the 6950/70 requires a large tower.  They're bigger than fucking bricks and I'm not kidding.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14677324 - 06/26/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ati drivers always seem behind nvidia yah, especially if you ever plan on using linux.

amd is good though, personally perfer amd cpu + nvidia gpu.

SLi seems like a waste of money in general, a lot of games won't even properly use both gpu.

Don't skimp on monitor, an extra $100 spent on a monitor is more noticable than an extra $100 spent on gpu imo.

I have an AMD x4 965 and nvidia gtx 460 and haven't found a game I couldn't max out at 1920x 1080, even the newest ones that came out a week ago :shrug: if you want higher res then you'd need a better card, but not 2 of them.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: John]
    #14678967 - 06/27/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I missed you needed a monitor.  So, what screen size do you prefer and would you like to play at 1920 x 1080?  Mine was on sale, but I got an ASUS 25" that I love.  Obviously it takes time to adjust the RGB, but once you do it's beautiful.  That resolution will bump up the price, and even further depending on the refresh rate.  If you want bigger but under the above stated resolution, you can easily get a nice sized monitor for close to, or under $200.


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    #14679012 - 06/27/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I would like to play at a resolution similar to what you have, I was looking at a 20" for 125.  Here is what I have so far, tell me what you think: AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition Six Core CPU and MSI 890FXA-GD65 AMD 890FX Socket AM3 Motherboard Bundle(clock at 3.2 price 330), 

Corsair CMPSU-650TXV2 Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 Power Supply - 650 Watts, ATX, 140mm Fan, 80 Plus Bronze, SLI Ready, Active PFC (price 90)


  C13-6179 ::Corsair CMP8GX3M2A1600C9 Dominator Dual Channel 8192MB PC12800 DDR3 Memory - 1600MHz, 2x4096MB, 9-9-9-24(1.2 lbs)  (price 105)


  TSD-1000EARS ::Western Digital WD10EARS Caviar Green Hard Drive - 1TB, 3.5", SATA 3G, 64MB Cache, GreenPower(1.5 lbs)  (price 55)


E145-0469 ::EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 SuperClocked Video Card - 1024MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, Mini HDMI, SLI, DirectX 11, Fermi w/Limited Lifetime Warranty with Registration(2.55 lbs) (price 210)

  H94-2012 ::I-Inc iK201ABB 20" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1600x900, 16:9, 1000:1 Native, 5ms, VGA(12.1 lbs)  (slightly under your res, price 105)

and a run of the mill case for 50 and a cheap optical drive


Thanks again for everyone taking time to help me.


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Re: Help me build my new gaming rig. [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14680134 - 06/27/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't get the 1090 when you can get the 1100T Phenom for the almost the same price.  Also, are you at your complete budget cap? Check out some benchmarks for the 460 as well as reviews on the WD Green Caviar. 

Are you sure that monitor is what you want?  That's a resolution not used very often, and you may have to fuck with some settings... idk.  I'm pretty sure it's inferior to 1080p no?  I could be wrong.


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