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Offlinenatural medicine
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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
    #14104757 - 03/11/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Idk man.  I did DXM once, which is purportedly like a less crazy PCP.  I can only describe my mental state then as insane.  It wasn't mind expanding at all, but I almost beat the crap out of a hamster for running on it's wheel. 

TBH, if we want to base our laws on reason, who is to say that we shouldn't legalize opiates, psychedelics, and entactogens, and make alchohol illegal?  After all alchohol is the one that makes people emboldened, violent, and reduces motor skills.  But at the same time I'm personally a very mellow non-violent drunk, so why should others ruin it for me??

The only solution I think is to move toward making everything legal (unless the death rate is somehow obscenely high, like 10% chance of death at any dose etc.)  Normal laws about behavior would apply.  Swerve through lanes and be punished for that.  Act out in public and be punished for that.  Not the substance.


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: natural medicine]
    #14120733 - 03/14/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"CONSUMERS UNION — the highly respected, scrupulously impartial organization responsible for Consumer Reports—studied the drug problem in this nation long and hard. Its conclusions—yet unpublished—are:

This nation's drug laws and policies have not been working well; on that simple statement almost all Americans seem agreed. . . . They are the result of mistaken laws and policies, of mistaken attitudes toward drugs, and of futile, however well-intentioned, efforts to "stamp out the drug menace." [What we have in this country is] aptly called the "drug problem problem"—the damage that results from the ways in which society has approached the drug problem.

        The Consumers Union report made six recommendations. I quote:

  • Stop emphasizing measures designed to keep drugs away from people.

  • Stop publicizing the horrors of the "drug menace."

  • Stop increasing the damage done by drugs. (Current drug laws and policies make drugs more rather than less damaging in many ways.)

  • Stop misclassifying drugs. (Most official and unofficial classifications of drugs are illogical and capricious; they, therefore, make a mockery of drug law enforcement and bring drug education into disrepute. A major error of the current drug classification system is that it treats alcohol and nicotine—two of the most harmful drugs—essentially as non-drugs.)

  • Stop viewing the drug problem as primarily a national problem, to be solved on a national scale. (In fact, as workers in the drug scene confirm, the "drug pro-blem" is a collection of local problems.)

  • Stop pursuing the goal of stamping out illicit drug use.


The report, which is nearly six hundred pages long, concludes,

"These, then, are the major mistakes in drug policy as we see them. This Consumers Union Report contains no panaceas for resolving them. But getting to work at correcting these six errors, promptly and ungrudgingly, would surely be a major step in the right direction."

I'm sorry. I lied. The previous excerpts were not from a "yet unpublished" report. The report was published in 1972. It was published by Consumers Union in book form, Licit and Illicit Drugs. It asked for its proposed changes to be made "promptly and ungrudgingly." Instead in 1972, President Nixon began our most recent war on drugs. How successful has prohibition been? To give but one example: since 1972, according to the office of National Drug Control Policy, annual cocaine use in this country has risen from 50 metric tons to 300 metric tons."


Straight from Peter McWilliam's book:

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do

Of which the entire thing is available online for free at the above address.


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The whole argument often gets steeped in these sort of debates, debates of subjective experiences and individual perceptions on what these substances do to a majority of individuals.

Everyone needs to take a step back and look at things realistically.

What CAN we police, what CAN'T we police... and what SHOULD we be policing, anyway? 

Is it really everyone's business if someone sits at home and responsibly uses morphine?

Of course, it becomes other people's business if that same person takes to the streets in a violent rampage.. but then, they are committing a crime against other people's person or property, which is an objective crime.  Whether or not a person was provoked is the reason why we have courts.. but here we have VICTIM and PERPETRATOR.

When that same morphine user is at home - where is the victim?  Is the perpetrator the victim of their own crime??  Does that even make sense?


In the end, we have to accept that people WILL and DO ALREADY in fact do stupid things.  But, while the police and legal systems are so busy stopping and controlling the activities of sensibler folk, they have a whole lot less time, money and resources to stop the stupids of the world.

The drug war also takes a lot of money away from things like, education, health and mental health programs that could help those who do have a problem (How often is a DRUG the problem, rather than something deeply seeded in someone's life/psychology?) solve that problem, rather than making them criminals.


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: AlexD]
    #14121010 - 03/14/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm for legalization across the board. I still wouldn't be interested in trying a lot of drugs, personally, but what we've been doing in the states doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and I believe it should be the decision of the individual what he or she ingests, and how.

I don't think anyone should be prosecuted for providing themselves with mind altering substances, that's ridiculous. Causing damage to people and property in the attempted creation of mind altering substances (meth comes to mind here) is still causing damage to people and property, which isn't legal that I'm aware of, and I think it should stay that way.


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: Ralafe]
    #14144555 - 03/18/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I see no reason why most things shouldn't be legal. If your no hurting anything else what's the big deal?  Alcohol causes a ton of problems yet it's still legal.


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: Zaxol]
    #14150739 - 03/19/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All drugs should be "legal" in a vague sense. Nobody should be put in jail for simply using ANY drug. I believe this should also include if you "produce them" for yourself (and, in the same way with alcohol, if you want to trade/use with a few friends I see no real problems either).

However, there should be strict regulations regarding who can sell and distribute drugs business-wise.

Age restrictions are a necessity, too.


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: Remix]
    #14205051 - 03/29/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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:mushroom2: If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take,
you shouldn't be doing it. :mushroom2:

youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTheOutspoken


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #14244254 - 04/05/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe we should strive to legalize soft drugs and make Heroin a free on demand thing. The sheer amount of money save and human quality going up should be enough to create a momentum of long deserved change in society. a society without any reefer madness. a society that said no more to genocide now needs to say no more to Lies from the media!


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Re: Would you support legalizing all drugs or there are some exceptions? [Re: joshuak2james]
    #14674368 - 06/26/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think all drugs should be legalized but there should be different degrees of regulation applied to them.

For hard drugs such as heroin I think there should be special dispensaries which provide sterile needles and dosing areas along with advice and assistance with getting off for those that want it.

Aside from that, what one decides to put into oneself should be their own business and the government has no right to act like it owns their body or person by restricting this.


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