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Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists?
    #1467277 - 04/17/03 02:55 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

I am a person who was into the rock band the Grateful Dead for many years. Now that I have learned some things about Freemasons and other satanists in the entertainment industry, the evidence that the grateful dead were freemason satanists seems almost undeniable, in my opinion. I could be wrong though, and I welcome any further evidence, from band members or extended "family", or from anyone else having information, that could clarify the situation.
I present below a number of points that support this idea. Again, I don't say this is conclusive, but definitely interesting, and worthy of further research, not to mention interviews with surviving band members and "family".

1) Members of the Grateful Dead and the Merry Pranksters have NUMEROUS ties to US intelligence organizations and mind control operations. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter, and head Merry Prankster Ken Kesey (founder and promoter of the "acid tests" during the sixties, which served to "turn on" thousands of people to the CIA's mind control drug LSD) were both "volunteers" in the government's LSD "research" at Stanford University in the early sixties.

2) The Grateful Dead got their start as the "house band" for the Merry Pranksters' acid tests. "The Merry Pranksters" derived their name from a group of medeival satanists called the Merry pranksters. The motto of the modern-day merry pranksters was "Never trust a Prankster!". The Pranksters membership included LSD kingpin Owsley Stanley, British Intelligence agent and Whole Earth Catalog founder Stewart Brand, child-rapist Allen Ginsburg, and "Mountain Girl" aka Mrs. Jerry Garcia. The Pranksters were also great "friends" with everyone's favorite guys, The Hell's Angels. In other words, the freemason hell's angels were the "security" for the pranksters at their acid tests.

3) Despite being busted numerous times for drugs including cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and HUMONGOUS quantities of LSD, none of the band members ever seems to have done any real jail time. I know of many people with no prior record who were busted with as little as a seed or a joint of marijuana who did jail time. Is the Grateful Dead's "outlaw" persona simply a phony masonic con job? Despite being busted in 1969 with HUMONGOUS quantities of drugs, the Dead not only did NO JAIL TIME WHATSOEVER, but were able to travel freely out of the country for their famous 1972 European tour.

4) The Grateful Dead record covers and art work are LOADED with Freemason symbolism. First of all, the skulls and skeletons which are EVERYWHERE in association with this band. Somewhere on Freemasonry Watch, there is a description of the 33rd degree ceremony, which describes all the SKELETONS that are hung up around the "temple" during this ceremony. At many Dead shows, there were large skeletons hung up both inside and outside the venue.

The rose (and the rose with the skeleton) is another VERY common symbol associated with the Grateful Dead, and with freemasonry.

On numerous concert posters and album art work, the artist Rick Griffin chose to represent a giant flying eyeball with wings. The disconnected "all-seeing eye" is a well-known masonic symbol.

The main symbol/corporate logo most people know of the Grateful Dead is from a record called "Steal Your Face". This corporate logo consists of a representation of a skull, with a lightning bolt going through the middle of it, originally (and usually) in masonic red, white and blue colors. You can view this logo (sans the red white and blue) at dead.net - the official homepage of the Grateful Dead corporation. This could easily be interpreted as a symbol of Crowley's "spermo-gnosticism". (See the website "Christendom and Freemasonry's Use of the Phallus" (as linked to on this site in other places) to read about what a lightning bolt symbolizes for freemasons). Indeed, the original name for the album featuring this logo was "Skull F*ck". The title was rejected by Warner Bros executives however, and the Dead decided to call the record "Steal Your Face" instead. Note too that the Dead had NUMEROUS and important connections with Crowley's OTO. Were the Grateful Dead spermo-gnostic semen drinkers like Crowley's other disciples? Their corporate logo would certainly seem to suggest this.

5) Bassist Phil Lesh had (has?) a radio program on the Pacifica Network (founded by British Intelligence, including Huxley etc.) called "Eyes of Order, Veil of Chaos". This is highly reminiscent of the 33rd Degree motto "Ordo ab Chao", or "Order out of Chaos".

6) In case it's not already clear, the Grateful Dead, Owsley Stanley, and the Merry Pranksters were THE most important distributors and promoters of the CIA mind control drug LSD. These people did more than ANYBODY to manufacture, promote and distribute LSD. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD BUY A MORE EFFECTIVE PR JOB for the CIA's mind control drug LSD. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that the prankster's and the dead's promotion of LSD was NOT a spontaneous event that happen after LSD "accidentally" slipped out of the CIA labs at Stanford, as they try to make it out. The dead and their writers always try to make it look like LSD just "accidentally" got out of the army research labs at Stanford. It looks a helluva lot more like it was INTENTIONALLY released by the government masons, using Kesey, the Dead, and Owsley Stanley to hype and distribute this drug. Owsley Stanley was the greatest LSD manufacturer of all time. He is directly responsible for ALL of the LSD used at Kesey's tests, and for the LSD that was distributed widely. He views LSD as a sacrament. You can read about his ideas on LSD here: thebear.org/essays.html#anchor430693

He is known to promote a book called "The Kybalion", authored by "Three Initiates". DOes anyone have any more information on this book? Is it a masonic book? If so, then there should be no further doubt that Owsley Stanley, the LSD manufacturing kingpin of the 60's, was a masonic operative. His family history would certainly suggest a masonic background, as one of his descendants was Augustus Owsley Stanley, a senator from Kentucky. Is it possible to be a Senator from Kentucky without being a mason? Owsley (or "Bear" as he likes to be called) had numerous contacts in government intelligence, such as multimillionaire Billy Hitchcock, and government operative and "Whole Earth Catalog" founder Stewart Brand (also a Merry Prankster). Owsley was supposedly "busted" for LSD in the seventies. How much jail time did he actually end up doing for manufacturing and possessing enough LSD to dose the entire population of the earth a thousand times over? No one really knows. He lives in Australia now.

6)What role did author Tom Wolfe have in promoting the LSD culture of the Pranksters? His "best-selling" book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" took an obscure and almost entirely unknown group of people living in the woods in Northern California (the merry pranksters), and made them (and their culture of drug use and free sex etc) into international stars. Wolfe seems to have a penchant for documenting the exploits of Freemasons. Hence his book "the Right Stuff", about NASA, which as we all know is controlled by Masons (EVERY single astronaut is a confessed freemason.) Phil Lesh often wears NASA t-shirts at his concerts. DOes anyone know of Wolfe's masonic connections? Wolfe is this clown who lives in NYC who goes around in an idiotic white suit and hat. This is his "trademark" or something.

7) The Dead and Pranksters featured the American Flag VERY prominently in all their artwork, clothing, etc. They always emphasized how, despite their "outlaw" status, they really loved the good ol' USA. Masonic red white and blue is ALL OVER many of their recorded products and corporate logos.

Robert Hunter's lyrics abound with Masonic references. First is his song "The Mason's Children". In addition there is his hit "Friend of the Devil", with the repeated refrain "A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine". In addition there is the Dead "signature" tune called "Dark Star", which is a well-known satanic reference. I could easily go ON AND ON AND ON with masonic quotes from Robert Hunter's lyrics, but you can go to any lyric site on the web and look them up yourself. I doubt you could find one song by this guy that doesn't have some kind of masonic reference in it.

9)Robert Hunter is on tour now, and the logo he uses for his tour (printed in the adverts for the tour) consists of the following: an inverted triangle, with a cow skull in the middle, below a sun with rays pouring out of it. Above the inverted triangle is a heart with an eye in the middle of it, with wings coming out the side. I think such a blatantly masonic logo could hardly be an accident. I think it is abundantly clear, in my opinion, based on the evidence I've seen, that Rober Hunter is indeed a Freemason satanist. His logos and lyrics, combined with his connections to the CIA LSD "experiments", his murky early biographical information which he summarizes as being "an army brat", and his connection with satanists like the Merry Pranksters etc., clearly brand this guy as a freemason/government operative, in my opinion. I welcome any feedback if I am not correct.

Another of Hunter's lyrics (sung by Jerry Garcia) is a song called "U.S. Blues". Part of the lyrics go:

"I'm Uncle Sam
That's who I am,
Been hiding out,
In a rock and roll band".

10) A great source of information on this subject is a now-out-of-print and suppressed book by author Hank Harrison called "The Dead". I used to own this book. It can still be found, but is out of print now, if I' not mistaken. Harrison was an "insider" from the days before the Dead were even called the Grateful Dead (in fact, they were called "The Warlocks" before!!!) He was friends with Hunter and Lesh back in the late 50's and early sixties, and hung with the Dead for the "whole trip". THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.. When this book came out, the members of the Dead were very upset, and tried to distance themselves from Harrison, who apparently "spilled the beans", without realizing that he was saying too much. I always wondered why the Dead were so upset with this book. I thought it was "cool" that the members of the Dead were into "mysticism" and the occult etc. Why would they be so upset over this book? Now I think I know...

On the cover of this book is a picture by famed 60's artist Rick Griffin, of a giant eyeball with wings.

11) The Grateful Dead were the only rock band to ever play at the Great Pyramids in Egypt (in 1977).

Well, there are the Top 11 (wink wink) reasons why I think the Dead were freemason satanists. There are many many many more I could point out. I could easily write a book on the subject. Maybe I will.

Believe me, this hole goes a lot deeper. We could go into LSD consumption during quasi-masonic/grateful dead ritual as homeopathic OTO "elixir" substitute. We could go into the band members involvement with blood and organ donation, but....let's not go there right now. I just ate. Wouldn't you love to donate your blood and organs to members of a group called the Grateful Dead? I hear that since Jerry died, they now call themselves simply "The Dead". Lovely...

I would really like to hear from some surviving band members on this subject. I somehow doubt that any of them will respond though. Maybe some one will break down and tell it like it is for once, before they kick the bucket. They need not go to "Hell in a Bucket", but at least they'll enjoy the ride.




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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1467281 - 04/17/03 02:57 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Sorry I just found this on a message board and found it slightly interesting/funny and thought I'd post it. I am not the author and not sure who is.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom] * 5
    #1467319 - 04/17/03 03:07 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Good, cuz I was about to flame the hell out of you if you were the author.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1467458 - 04/17/03 03:57 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Allen Ginsberg wasn't in the Merry Pranksters.












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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1467576 - 04/17/03 04:26 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

I'm not even gonna read it, but I did read the last reason.  Other bands have played at the pyramids as well, Sun Ra comes to mind....

btw, I'm a freemason satanist :smile:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom] * 1
    #1467711 - 04/17/03 05:06 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

On behalf of my brethren, RIGHT ON :wink:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1467717 - 04/17/03 05:11 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I think this whole post just comes to show the author's ignorance of what Freemasonry and Satanism are.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1468392 - 04/17/03 09:25 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Me thinks that someone, somewhere has too much friggen time on their hands.....


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1468408 - 04/17/03 09:31 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

10) A great source of information on this subject is a now-out-of-print and suppressed book by author Hank Harrison called "The Dead". I used to own this book. It can still be found, but is out of print now, if I' not mistaken. Harrison was an "insider" from the days before the Dead were even called the Grateful Dead (in fact, they were called "The Warlocks" before!!!) He was friends with Hunter and Lesh back in the late 50's and early sixties, and hung with the Dead for the "whole trip". THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.. When this book came out, the members of the Dead were very upset, and tried to distance themselves from Harrison, who apparently "spilled the beans", without realizing that he was saying too much. I always wondered why the Dead were so upset with this book. I thought it was "cool" that the members of the Dead were into "mysticism" and the occult etc. Why would they be so upset over this book? Now I think I know..."

i still have that book, and as far as i can remember Harrison mentions no such thing....of course it's easy to use a book that is out of print and/or unavailable to support one's own erroneaous agenda.......better luck next time..... It was never "supressed" in the first place and was readily available for the paltry(at the time) price of $3.95 including shipping.....


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom] * 1
    #1468639 - 04/17/03 11:04 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Quote:

child-rapist Allen Ginsburg


wtf? Is that true?


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1468729 - 04/17/03 11:40 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

hey stranger........i have Harrisons book and did read it many years ago but i don't remember anything in there out of the norm.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Ripple]
    #1469497 - 04/18/03 07:27 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.."

Hey Ripple! :smile:

  i just wanted to highlight that sentence.......unless there was/is another edition floating around with a "missing chapter" from the original, then your information is false....sorry....it's almost like these days anyone who has made any sort of difference in the fabric of contempory culture could have only done it because of affiliations with the illuminati/freemason's etc......sometimes skill, talent and hard work are all it takes.....just my .02 


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1470111 - 04/18/03 01:07 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I really hope so.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1470135 - 04/18/03 01:15 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I put the people are crazy at the end of that for a reason, I added another post because they aren't that smart either  :grin: :grin:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1470254 - 04/18/03 01:58 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Sorry man, i thought the "peope are crazy" was your signature :smile: 


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1470396 - 04/18/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Well that wasn't directed at anyone in particular, damned this quick reply. But ya this was posted as a laugh in the face of 'goofy consipiracy theory people' post or something like that.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1470416 - 04/18/03 02:47 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Oh this wasn't factual?


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Spiffy]
    #1470902 - 04/18/03 06:00 PM (18 years, 28 days ago)

Ginsberg liked little boys.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1475120 - 04/20/03 01:46 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

conspiricies refractal imagery, imaginary all imaginary you cant imagine how scary things REALLY are.


conspiracy theories are weak.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1476357 - 04/20/03 01:31 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

Dude all those guys from that era were so fucked up beyond belief, I don't know what to make of any of them any more.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Spiffy]
    #1478349 - 04/21/03 09:10 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

if "child rape" means forcing a child into non-consensual sex, well, i doubt it...
but if you mean _consensual_ sex with minors (and thus "statury rape"), wellllll...
"young boys & girls aged 14 to 16" is a phrase that comes to mind... or was that 12 to 14 ??? whatever...
(but, what do i know? i'm just a middle-aged, sex-starved male of heterosexual orientation who insists that his partner(s?) be of age, and willing to, ummm, whatever...)
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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1478355 - 04/21/03 09:12 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

as to the masonic thing...
heh, almost sounds like it coulda been lifted from shea & wilson's _ILLUMINATUS!_
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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #1483509 - 04/22/03 08:21 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

pretty crazy


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: triptones]
    #1485096 - 04/23/03 03:33 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

I feel stupider having read that...


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom] * 1
    #13281986 - 10/03/10 01:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

one reason they open the first "SET"  with Bertha

= Birth of the FIRST SET = Set = Satan
first set = Day = First  Deity

Grateful = Ra Ate Full

Serpent Elite= reptiles

H=silent

Phil  Lesh  = P il Les = liP Les = Lip Less = REPTILE
Lizards dont have lips they are LIP LESS /Phil Lesh

Led Zepplin= Led Sleepland
House's of the Holy = Oz is of the Holy
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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: DanObenjammin]
    #13281995 - 10/03/10 01:37 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome to The Shroomery.  Great first post. 










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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: DanObenjammin]
    #13283479 - 10/03/10 01:05 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DanObenjammin said:
one reason they open the first "SET"  with Bertha

= Birth of the FIRST SET = Set = Satan
first set = Day = First  Deity

Grateful = Ra Ate Full

Serpent Elite= reptiles

H=silent

Phil  Lesh  = P il Les = liP Les = Lip Less = REPTILE
Lizards dont have lips they are LIP LESS /Phil Lesh

Led Zepplin= Led Sleepland
House's of the Holy = Oz is of the Holy
ZoSo=OSIRIS =OZ




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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: urbanwolf]
    #13283603 - 10/03/10 01:38 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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one reason they open the first "SET"  with Bertha

= Birth of the FIRST SET = Set = Satan
first set = Day = First  Deity

Grateful = Ra Ate Full

Serpent Elite= reptiles

H=silent

Phil  Lesh  = P il Les = liP Les = Lip Less = REPTILE
Lizards dont have lips they are LIP LESS /Phil Lesh

Led Zepplin= Led Sleepland
House's of the Holy = Oz is of the Holy
ZoSo=OSIRIS =OZ




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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #13284785 - 10/03/10 05:29 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

free masons "worship" Lucifer, the morning star.  Satan is a christian name.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true.  The Beatles "worshiped Lucifer" too :laugh:



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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Shins]
    #13285566 - 10/03/10 08:16 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

greateful dead

as in

ego-dead

hence the dancing skeletons and such

they were hippies who loved to get high and jam



anybody who actually believes those accusations is ridiculous

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: the bizzle]
    #13285574 - 10/03/10 08:18 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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You know you're going to get some loyal fans that reject the notion outright out of pure fan loyalty.




no. It is something called empathy which allows me to know that this is insane and/or trolling


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    #13285585 - 10/03/10 08:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

:jimmorrison: "I am the lizard king"  =   

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: DanObenjammin]
    #13285586 - 10/03/10 08:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Holy necropost, batman!


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: DanObenjammin]
    #13456276 - 11/08/10 11:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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one reason they open the first "SET"  with Bertha

= Birth of the FIRST SET = Set = Satan
first set = Day = First  Deity

Grateful = Ra Ate Full

Serpent Elite= reptiles

H=silent

Phil  Lesh  = P il Les = liP Les = Lip Less = REPTILE
Lizards dont have lips they are LIP LESS /Phil Lesh

Led Zepplin= Led Sleepland
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ZoSo=OSIRIS =OZ




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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: the bizzle]
    #13456582 - 11/09/10 12:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

LOL ...I saw this thread and :facepalmed:...

then I noticed I already posted in it some time ago


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:jimmorrison: "I am the lizard king"  =   

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: the bizzle]
    #13456695 - 11/09/10 12:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Libraries are crowded with bad ideas and the works of zealous people who have learned how to semantically connect A with a potentially endless series of B. It doesn't make for shit beyond speculation.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Arden]
    #13457260 - 11/09/10 03:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

At least they fuckin jammed! :rockon:

If it's a choice between eternal Hell and good tunes, and eternal Heaven and New Kids on the Block...I'm gonna be surfin on the lake of fire, rockin out!  :onfire:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adamist]
    #13457460 - 11/09/10 05:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Pshh man it seems to me that all the people going straigh to bashing the OP simply hvent done enough drugs ang gone as far out there . ImO the whole point of the 60's was to experiment. Now maybe we can try to kind maybe put some of that shit into words in todays coherent terms. But unfortunuately whith lots of LSD, who knows wtf was going on...

But really, the CIA were among the first to use lots of LSD, you can read about all the nutty shit they did with it.


They planned to dose a subaway in newyork in 1954 but apparently clled it off. Its very odd to me, Kesey even admits the government turned him on..

Even if LSD 'innocently' escaped its still creepy to think of the implictions that could be at play if it wasnt the case.. It being a popular CIA mind control drug and all, at a crazy time in human history.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #13457478 - 11/09/10 05:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, this video confirms it.



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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: wildchild68]
    #13457515 - 11/09/10 06:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:hissyfit: I just don't know.  Stranger things have happened.

But damm kids for sale in SF on market?????? 
Underground satainic playground? :ashamed:


:lolocaust: Perhaps the shroomery is in on it too????:tinfoil:.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: cacharstar]
    #13457541 - 11/09/10 06:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

... I believe the original CIA LSD connection as thought to be in order to distract folk.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: wildchild68]
    #13458074 - 11/09/10 11:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, this video confirms it.






whoa........:awewtf:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: wildchild68]
    #13458323 - 11/09/10 12:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, this video confirms it.





"It's absolutely wonderful magic... Unfortunately, they learned it from Lucifer."

:rofldrunk:

and "Satanic underground orgy of hell"? Sounds like a killer party to me. :shrug:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adamist] * 1
    #13823474 - 01/21/11 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jerry Gar- CIA; whoa...

Grateful DEA-d; whoa again!

See, it's easy, just like the bible codes.
You can see the number 23 in everything, if you want to.
Jesus' face in a tortilla....
Elvis is alive(Bill Clinton).

Why not use our imaginations more constructively? (& more fun-ly)
A modern sequel to the Illuminatus trilogy could be more high-larious than the original.
Maybe the Secret Chiefs are really super-intelligent ancient mycelia that have directed human affairs since homo erectus!!!
And it was THEY who wrote all of the songs from In The Dark!!!
One of their "rogues" created New Wave, Pee Wee Herman and The Simpsons!!!
Bill K lives in Hawaii because he speaks daily with the Dolphin Lords!!!! (that one could be true)
Phish fulfilled an old Algonquin prophecy about water consumption in the Northeast.
YMSB are really robots. (we can't turn them off, dammit!)



Funny, funny, shroomers.........
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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: lurkey]
    #13823579 - 01/21/11 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Killer first post, brah. :highfive: +1


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #14492473 - 05/22/11 04:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

i personally think that yeah  freemasonry and illumanti and satanic junk and all that could be asscoiatd with the entertainment business but i think that there is very few entertainers if any and i certainly dont believ it is the grateful dead....:mushroom2:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adamist]
    #14492514 - 05/22/11 04:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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At least they fuckin jammed! :rockon:

If it's a choice between eternal Hell and good tunes, and eternal Heaven and New Kids on the Block...I'm gonna be surfin on the lake of fire, rockin out!  :onfire:




This is pretty much what it comes down to!

It wouldn't surprise me if the basic message in the original post is true. It's probably true. The 60's were a contrived precursor to the worst elements of culture today. Who's been fucking up the world right up to this point with their hypocrisy, banality, greed, rampant consumerism, etc? Sixties hippies. Entertainment is a weapon. Your enlightenment has been weaponized!

Welcome to the Military Industrial Entertainment Complex. :awesome: Say Hello to your friendly neighborhood Culture Creator.

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492517 - 05/22/11 04:43 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The Beatles were, so why not the dead?


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    #14492545 - 05/22/11 04:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

were do you get that the beatles were??


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    #14492573 - 05/22/11 05:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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were do you get that the beatles were??






what's with the 666 and horns hand signs?

How many beetles were knighted by the Masonic Queen bee? Lots.

They may or may not be masons, but there's definitely something fishy about them.

I suspect that the Beatles, the Dead and other similar "popular" bands of that generations may have been part of a larger social engineering program.


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I suspect that the Beatles, the Dead and other similar "popular" bands of that generations may have been part of a larger social engineering program.






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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492696 - 05/22/11 06:47 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

For what purpose though?

I view those bands and the social movements they influenced to be fairly antithetical to the powers that be.


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    #14492705 - 05/22/11 06:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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For what purpose though?

I view those bands and the social movements they influenced to be fairly antithetical to the powers that be.




Seemingly, but that's just surface noise.

One side-note about Owsley, I don't know how this guy ever managed to make LSD on his own... The guy advocated an all-meat diet, and blamed his cancer on his mother feeding him vegetables when he was a child. Frankly, from everything I have read involving him, he didn't seem intelligent enough, and I don't believe he was responsible for the synthesis of all of that world-famous stuff.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492735 - 05/22/11 07:10 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: propensity]
    #14492762 - 05/22/11 07:27 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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fairly antithetical to the powers that be.




That's why the queen knighted the Beatles? Since when is that antithetical to the powers that be?

The real purpose is beyond me, but i would say that it had something to di with making social changes and divisions, distracting young people from and giving then comfortable answers to politics, and subtly injecting esoteric ideas into the youth.

I really don;t know, but the fact that me or you can't figure it out 100% does not mean that we should brush it off.


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    #14492783 - 05/22/11 07:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.


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    #14492796 - 05/22/11 07:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.




I have also noticed this trend, The baby boom generation in general seems to be highly brainwashed and self righteous beyond help.

I feel like they live a very superficial life and rarely try to learn about the reality of their existence beyond scratching the surface, and just go along with the politicians no questions.

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    #14492799 - 05/22/11 07:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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fairly antithetical to the powers that be.




That's why the queen knighted the Beatles? Since when is that antithetical to the powers that be?





Knighthood's don't mean shit any more.

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The real purpose is beyond me, but i would say that it had something to di with making social changes and divisions, distracting young people from and giving then comfortable answers to politics, and subtly injecting esoteric ideas into the youth.

I really don;t know, but the fact that me or you can't figure it out 100% does not mean that we should brush it off.




:shrug:
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    #14492813 - 05/22/11 07:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Knighthood's don't mean shit any more.




Oh really? I suppose you also think The Crown  "don't mean shit" anymore too? The Crown is about as establishment as you can get.

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There's no evidence, it's just a cute idea.




There actually is a lot of circumstantial evidence if you look into it.

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    #14492923 - 05/22/11 09:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.




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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.




... Weaponized hallucinogens?

I was sorta with you (with a fat grain of salt) up to that point


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: propensity]
    #14492954 - 05/22/11 09:36 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.




... Weaponized hallucinogens?

I was sorta with you (with a fat grain of salt) up to that point




Why? Are you familiar with MK-ULTRA, and some of the operations blanketed under that name? Through the use of drugs, including hallucinogens, torture, post-hypnotic suggestion, electroshock treatment, they were able to achieve some frightening responses from people in terms of what they could get them to do and not remember afterward.

When you dose a French village with LSD, among other things, this constitutes a weapon... I don't see why you're hung up on simple semantics.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14492993 - 05/22/11 09:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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propensity said:
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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.




... Weaponized hallucinogens?

I was sorta with you (with a fat grain of salt) up to that point




Why? Are you familiar with MK-ULTRA, and some of the operations blanketed under that name? Through the use of drugs, including hallucinogens, torture, post-hypnotic suggestion, electroshock treatment, they were able to achieve some frightening responses from people in terms of what they could get them to do and not remember afterward.

When you dose a French village with LSD, among other things, this constitutes a weapon... I don't see why you're hung up on simple semantics.




i feel it

this "weapon" really did fail and turned out to completely blow up (pun intended) in the governments face.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14493032 - 05/22/11 10:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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You're fucking retarded.




Haha, right. Pop culture occupies the minds of millions 24/7, yet no one has thought to harness this as a means of control.

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i feel it

this "weapon" really did fail and turned out to completely blow up (pun intended) in the governments face.




I'm not sure if it failed as I could see the circumstances we're living in now very well being the desired result.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14493045 - 05/22/11 10:24 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

the desired result is....hippie subculture?


yeh im sure the government was really pleased about that


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: SpiritualSnorkel]
    #14495506 - 05/22/11 08:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If it's just surface noise, what's their real purpose?




It is just surface noise. It's the perception of rebellion. The public eats that shit right up. Controlled and harmless. As I said in my previous post, to the powers that be, Entertainment is a weapon, and entertainers of a certain magnitude do not get there by accident.

Their purpose is as was also stated, social engineering. Events of the past which have led us to this moment in which the powers that be are seriously out of control. Everything is working in their favor. The facilitators being mostly of the hippie-follower generation who have turned their backs on every single value they claimed to hold in high regard.

In all kinds of matters of speaking, the 60's were a failure, one of them just happens to be the mass mind control through subculture and weaponized hallucinogens. I guess it takes a while to realize subculture is just another racket in which they catch the flies who've evaded the trap.




... Weaponized hallucinogens?

I was sorta with you (with a fat grain of salt) up to that point




Why? Are you familiar with MK-ULTRA, and some of the operations blanketed under that name? Through the use of drugs, including hallucinogens, torture, post-hypnotic suggestion, electroshock treatment, they were able to achieve some frightening responses from people in terms of what they could get them to do and not remember afterward.

When you dose a French village with LSD, among other things, this constitutes a weapon... I don't see why you're hung up on simple semantics.




Oh I see what you mean. it was a reading comprehension fail on my part.

I didn't perceive that you said the weaponized hallucinogens were  failure for some reason.

But yeah I know about Mk ultra, shit is fucked


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Shins]
    #14497425 - 05/23/11 04:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

throwing up simple had gestures mean your a free mason satanist


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    #14508790 - 05/25/11 10:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Believe me, this hole goes a lot deeper. We could go into LSD consumption during quasi-masonic/grateful dead ritual as homeopathic OTO "elixir" substitute. We could go into the band members involvement with blood and organ donation, but....let's not go there right now. I just ate. Wouldn't you love to donate your blood and organs to members of a group called the Grateful Dead? I hear that since Jerry died, they now call themselves simply "The Dead". Lovely...
























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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom] * 1
    #15914212 - 03/07/12 04:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, I need to clear up a few things in this thread.  I know its old, but I found it on google and had to shine a light on some of the bullshit in this thread.

Owsley stanley went to prison for 2 years for lsd.

Owlsey's family were high degree masons.  his grand father served in the senate.  So he naturally knew a lot of the things they knew.  He was not a free mason.  He was really into the kybalion and hermetics.  Also alchemy.  He said they all discovered some really interesting things during the acid test (such as telepathy).  It is a lot of the same stuff that free masons are into, but that doesn't mean he is a satanist.

Owsley did make that acid.  How could anyone say that is not true?  Owsley was very smart.  He knew a lot of things that most people dont know.  He knew how coral castle was constructed and knew a lot of electromagnetism.  Also, he knew how to heat a home with a vortex tube similar to how a geothermal setup works. 

He was not fond of the hells angels what so ever.  In fact, he refused to hang around with kesey and the merry pranksters at first (bear is not a merry prankster) because he did not like the hell's angels and it just seemed violent.  At the time him and some girl were hanging together and tripping all the time.  When he finally met up with kesey he decided to make it because kesey lost his gov't connection for it.  Other people attempted to make it, but it was not very pure and owsley felt it was his duty to make it the most pure.  He would sometimes throw out 30% of his product just to make sure its the cleanest possible. 

He also talked about smoking dmt around tube amps and the tubes would get red hot and burn out. the speaker cones would even melt.  He also discovered that if you take det with dmt it will make your dmt trip last over 2 hours. 

these are some of the things they experienced at the acid test.  He believed that alchemy and even magic could be true in a sense.  He would even put his hand on the reaction vessel to transfer his energy into his batches of lsd.  He was very much an alchemist.  He said he was not a scientist, but an artist. 

Also on his meat diet, you can say its stupid but its simply not.  I have followed his advice and my ashtma is gone as well as my epilepsy.  I have never gone more than 2 days without my inhaler and its been almost 5 months without using one.  He said, we only have had agriculture for around 15,000 years and we have bones dating back to over 900,000.  it would be almost impossible to feed a tribe plants that you can actually eat.  we believed plants were medicine and meat was food.  inuit eskimo's ate mostly blubber (fat) and they lived very healthy lives.  rarely did they suffer from any illness and never a case of heart disease or cancer.  also they had much thicker bones.  The reason for our population problems is agriculture.  if we stuck to our food chain there would no population problems.  dont take my word for it, you can read more here http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013 ;

That is bear's (owsley stanley) post on those message boards.  Before he died, you could easily contact him through email and talk to him.  Also, he did not get cancer from his diet.  He later found out his cancer was caused from hpv. The cancer didn't spread much because of the way he ate.  When he was in the hospital, his wife would grind up meat and put it in a syringe and squirt it down his throat. He did have surgery on his heart, but he did not have a heart attack.  He had a blockage every since he was a kid.  not a bad one or anything.  it was just always there since before he ate his diet (he started the diet at 22, i believe.)  He was lifting lots of weights and the blockage was getting in the way and he had the money so he decided to remove it.  It had nothing to do with a heart attack.  he was aware of the blackage since before his diet.  It never got any worse. he didn't start lifting weights until his late 60's or early 70's.  he was even able to keep up with the younger guys, he just required more days to rest in between to repair his muscles because of his age.

I can agree, there is lots of little masonic hints in the grateful dead, but have an open mind about it.  Jerry himself said he just enjoy's a lot of mystical things and gets into almost every religion.  He said to keep an open mind, because nothing is for certain. 

They are not satanist...


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: lurkey]
    #16106927 - 04/18/12 04:40 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

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Jerry Gar- CIA; whoa...

Grateful DEA-d; whoa again!

See, it's easy, just like the bible codes.
You can see the number 23 in everything, if you want to.
Jesus' face in a tortilla....
Elvis is alive(Bill Clinton)......
Why not use our imaginations more constructively? (& more fun-ly)
A modern sequel to the Illuminatus trilogy could be more high-larious than the original.
Maybe the Secret Chiefs are really super-intelligent ancient mycelia that have directed human affairs since homo erectus!!!
And it was THEY who wrote all of the songs from In The Dark!!!
One of their "rogues" created New Wave, Pee Wee Herman and The Simpsons!!!
Bill K lives in Hawaii because he speaks daily with the Dolphin Lords!!!! (that one could be true)
Phish fulfilled an old Algonquin prophecy about water consumption in the Northeast.
YMSB are really robots. (we can't turn them off, dammit!)
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im sorry but i HAVE to bring this thread back. It is so amazing man...this all lead up to this forum. PROPS TO YOU. and this poster above that i quoted...
Has anyone any information on this stuff? Things reveal themselves in weird ways don't they...?
Why the cryptic writing and single post in your account history...hmmm


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #16803634 - 09/07/12 09:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"Cause once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right."

:sun:

So what if they were. I love The Grateful Dead for the music and energy they bring no if they are at the groove killing babies for harvest season.



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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Krispylite]
    #16978692 - 10/06/12 06:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #16978734 - 10/06/12 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sun Ra is the shiiiiit


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: WhyAmISoTired]
    #17008538 - 10/10/12 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

AMEN!!! Hey I have played with a lot of Sun Ra's band!
I am from Philadelphia...what chu know about Sun Ra?
Although original members may have changed, the Sun Ra band still exists and is strong, has a "sun ra house" which I know people who currently live in. It's actually a crazy set of stories, going from club to club at night, finding those jazzheads still out there who, even if they don't know they are jazz heads, are becoming assimilated to the undercurrent of the only TRUE AMERICAN ART FORM.
I'd be honored as heck to be with the band full time, but I also know people in the band who have quit. It is wild scene.
fun,
great memories though, hope more to come.
glad I saw your post!!!
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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Jordainio]
    #17008586 - 10/10/12 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

this thread should be destroyed! :crankey:






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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: jammin]
    #17770243 - 02/08/13 11:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I joined this forum just to laugh at the first post in this thread...seems like everything is right except the "satanist" part. Not much to say there except "you're close, but not quite". Have you watched the career arc of the Grateful Dead and RatDog, The Dead, etc. etc? They don't look exactly like blood smearing, baby sacrificing, lion-eating witches and wizards. They're hippies and bohemians, man!

It's funny, as I've slowly circled inward and discovered myself and the world around me, it's all become crystal clear now. Yet, it's still very fresh, new, and a bit frightening. Maybe that's why everyone likes to call it "satanic" and move on. It's a fraternity, bro, a really big one.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: bernlin2000]
    #17779879 - 02/10/13 10:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Tom Wolfe's book, "The Electric Kool-aid Acid Test" didn't really raise the Pranksters up from Obscurity. The head Prankster, Ken Kesey was quite famous for writing "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" in 1962. Another lead Prankster, Neil Cassidy, was a major inspiration for Jack Kerouac's 1950's beat novel, "On the Road". In that book, Cassidy's character is called Dean Moriarty. (Kerouac was buddies with Allen Ginsburg and William S. Burroughs)
    Also The Beatles were not knighted by the Queen. They received MBE honors in 1965. This is one level below being knighted. John Lennon returned his MBE in protest. Paul McCartney was knighted by the Queen in 1997.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #17779997 - 02/10/13 11:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

why hasn't this shit been move to the conspiracy forum yet? :willynilly:

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    #17780559 - 02/11/13 12:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He also talked about smoking dmt around tube amps and the tubes would get red hot and burn out. the speaker cones would even melt.  He also discovered that if you take det with dmt it will make your dmt trip last over 2 hours. 





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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Adom]
    #18457779 - 06/22/13 08:53 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

The "Steal your face" symbol is all about demonic possession.  A demon literally enters a persons body and steals that persons face and body.  I believe the lightening has many evil meanings, but it could be tied to the electric shock torture used by the Illuminati, to disassociate, control, brainwash and infuse demons into a persons body.  The symbol and the name for it are so obviously evil, that's it's hard to believe that people can't see it for what it is.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: billy cuts]
    #18457881 - 06/22/13 09:18 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm not even gonna read it, but I did read the last reason.  Other bands have played at the pyramids as well, Sun Ra comes to mind....





that musta been fuckin' cool.

PS: the name of the band is kinda dark and ominous... the "grateful" dead... :tinfoil:


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18457931 - 06/22/13 09:34 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: iris] * 1
    #18457948 - 06/22/13 09:36 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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The "Steal your face" symbol is all about demonic possession.  A demon literally enters a persons body and steals that persons face and body.  I believe the lightening has many evil meanings, but it could be tied to the electric shock torture used by the Illuminati, to disassociate, control, brainwash and infuse demons into a persons body.  The symbol and the name for it are so obviously evil, that's it's hard to believe that people can't see it for what it is.





:lol: That's complete bullshit. The Steal Your Face symbol came out of necessity. "With all of the bands using more or less identical road cases, Bear had concluded that a simple, easily identified logo would be useful. He had envisioned a simple symbol that was a bolt of lightning in a red and blue circle with a white border, but his artist friend Bob Thomas delivered a more refined rendering in which a skull, the forehead cleaved by a lightning bolt would fill a circle. The bolt had thirteen points, as in the number of stripes in the US flag, and it's colors were red, white, and blue. They may have been stoned, but they were still patriots. Variously called the Laughing Jap - the Dead were not ordinarily racist, but the skull's eyes are vaguely Asiatic, and it's expression mirthful - the Cosmic Charlie, or the Steal Your Face (from the later album of that name, the cover of which it graces), it would become one of the most recognizable logos in the world." (McNally, 337) - Taken from A Long Strange Trip.

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #18457956 - 06/22/13 09:39 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.





There are many stories about the name. The likeliest one is that they were flipping through a dictionary & Jerry opened it to a page, and the words "Grateful Dead" stuck out to him. The rest of the page melted away. (He was coming down off of a DMT trip at the time.) He said "How about the Grateful Dead man?", and thus the name was born.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18457963 - 06/22/13 09:40 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Even if steal your face is about demonic possesion, what is so scary about that? The worst demonic possession the Dead is goina put on ya is one where ya face what a shitty person your being  maybe then ya get to keep ya face


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I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.



they were grateful to be "ego-dead"? sounds awful. they didn't seem to sway from egoism, however... so maybe it was their dream?

i still think it's kinda fucked to wanna have your ego be "dead". why not have it be alive and well? :shrug:

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I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.



Yea I think ego death (can ya say that?) is the theme, as it is the answer I am sure it had to do with the Dead look L brings about, really it is overly egotistical people passing judgement because it gives their ego existence, when ya look at them with that look there ego passes a judgement I think a lot of times it is a protective barrier from the weird feeling a liar gets in front of one who has become familiar with ego death.


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what "special look" are you talkin' about again? :shrug:


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i think hippies are confused people, sometimes.




Yup. A lot of people read way too much into things like the name the Grateful Dead & their symbols. They also attach their own ideals to the band, ideals that weren't necessarily held by the band members.


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    #18458037 - 06/22/13 09:54 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

lol, like they knew they'd be the biggest band in the world for decades to come, and hid subliminal messages to condition the masses of fans to look for more things to quibble about...












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I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.



they were grateful to be "ego-dead"? sounds awful. they didn't seem to sway from egoism, however... so maybe it was their dream?

i still think it's kinda fucked to wanna have your ego be "dead". why not have it be alive and well? :shrug:

i think hippies are confused people, sometimes.




I think an ego was necessary to bring in others with egos and turn them on. When the ego is dead the dream is intact. It is not realistic to think "god" would have created us as beings that have thought projections about I all day going and going and having we suffer for this ego. No the false ego is a result of fear base belief is a result of desire and the illusion of the needs to tell lies. Lies make us suffer, we no longer communicate perfectly. Ego death brings about living now, eliminated the I. Most of the people with the I I I all the time are greedy and they'll think any I statement is there own thought. The interesting part is when these people take acid, then conversations about telepathy begin. Haaaa  :gd_icon:


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what "special look" are you talkin' about again? :shrug:





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    #18458089 - 06/22/13 10:04 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Freemason Satanists?
No. They just made really shitty music, which is possibly a worse crime against humanity.


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Uhh no.


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The only thing I know is that the Kybalion is a great book and well worth reading, profound occult and mystical teaching.


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Uhh no.




Uhh yeah.
Do I need to go into the various reasons why and how their music is both generic and mediocre? Because I don't really feel like it.


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You can't go into those reasons because nonesuch exist.


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Uhh no.




Uhh yeah.
Do I need to go into the various reasons why and how their music is both generic and mediocre? Because I don't really feel like it.



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Jerry Garcia is a terrible fucking singer.
Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like half-mumbled shit, and when you can even understand him it's usually some vague and pointless empty lyrics that idiotic hippie types cling to as a sort of messianic message.

The musicianship is mediocre and lacking any show of virtuosity. Songs are the same boring-ass shit played by a bunch of brain-fried imbeciles. Jerry Garcia's a pretentious prick who vastly overestimates the quality and significance of his 'contributions' to the arts. I'll admit, I was amused when I read about the fat fucking going into a diabetic coma though.

I also have a deep personal hatred for the talentless piece of shit that is Mickey Hart, who somehow felt justified in producing two equally worthless books on drumming and percussion.

Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.


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Yeah, but Branford played with them.


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    #18459226 - 06/23/13 03:28 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, and Branford is a fantastic soprano sax player in particular. Doesn't make the dead any better.


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Jerry Garcia is a terrible fucking singer.
Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like half-mumbled shit, and when you can even understand him it's usually some vague and pointless empty lyrics that idiotic hippie types cling to as a sort of messianic message.

The musicianship is mediocre and lacking any show of virtuosity. Songs are the same boring-ass shit played by a bunch of brain-fried imbeciles. Jerry Garcia's a pretentious prick who vastly overestimates the quality and significance of his 'contributions' to the arts. I'll admit, I was amused when I read about the fat fucking going into a diabetic coma though.

I also have a deep personal hatred for the talentless piece of shit that is Mickey Hart, who somehow felt justified in producing two equally worthless books on drumming and percussion.

Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.



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I'd rather listen to him play the tenor any day of the week.


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    #18459253 - 06/23/13 03:37 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I don't like alto or tenor saxes very much. I would be happy if he picked up bari at some point.
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White people play bari.

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    #18459602 - 06/23/13 08:02 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Your the one posting? Ya gonna go into it? What do ya mean? Sorry ya don't feel like it, maybe I would have more respect for your feeling if ya weren't spreading generalizations of judgement and arguing the point.


Lets be honest, the reason ya ask " Do I need to go into...?" is because simply ya must think of those reasons


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Jerry Garcia is a terrible fucking singer.
Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like half-mumbled shit, and when you can even understand him it's usually some vague and pointless empty lyrics that idiotic hippie types cling to as a sort of messianic message.

The musicianship is mediocre and lacking any show of virtuosity. Songs are the same boring-ass shit played by a bunch of brain-fried imbeciles. Jerry Garcia's a pretentious prick who vastly overestimates the quality and significance of his 'contributions' to the arts. I'll admit, I was amused when I read about the fat fucking going into a diabetic coma though.

I also have a deep personal hatred for the talentless piece of shit that is Mickey Hart, who somehow felt justified in producing two equally worthless books on drumming and percussion.

Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.



Someone has not seen The Dead, Phil and friends or Furthur live :lmafo::facepalm::blewmeanie:


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    #18459661 - 06/23/13 08:33 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Want to do a poll on who understands Jerry Garcia when he sings? Their lyrics are pretty well explained when ya search in interviews. I think this can easily be said for any band that many misunderstands lyrics and puts there own meaning on it, what is your point?

Examples of how it is mediocre? The "same-ass boring shit" and accusation of being "brain-fried imbeciles" are not examples. How is Jerry a pretentious prick (why all the big words?)? When does Jerry ever go boasting his contributions? Dude pretty much lived and died the tour which is more than can be said for most artist. What is the point of telling us it gives you gratification to see a man hurt? I would think you would keep that to yourself and try to eat some mushrooms and get out of that mindset...the hate comment didn't explain anything.



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I don't know why you feel the need to respond he's never seen them live I bet and it won't change what he thinks.  His loss


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: something super extreme]
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Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.




You're right, fuck Hendrix, that worthless piece of shit. I'm sure the shitty metal music you enjoy listening to is so much better. :rolleyes:


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I actually met the OP of this thread at a Dead show many years ago. LOL Cool guy. I think he kinda went off his rocker though and finally quit posting.


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I actually met the OP of this thread at a Dead show many years ago. LOL Cool guy. I think he kinda went off his rocker though and finally quit posting.



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Uhh no.




Uhh yeah.
Do I need to go into the various reasons why and how their music is both generic and mediocre? Because I don't really feel like it.




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They're so edgy you've probably never heard of them :tongue:


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I don't think sooo. I always thought it was a badass name but didn't really match the kind of music they made. Then I got into phycedellics and revisitied them. Pretty sure it means Dead as in ego death :justdontknow: at least thats how I interpret it.





There are many stories about the name. The likeliest one is that they were flipping through a dictionary & Jerry opened it to a page, and the words "Grateful Dead" stuck out to him. The rest of the page melted away. (He was coming down off of a DMT trip at the time.) He said "How about the Grateful Dead man?", and thus the name was born.





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They're so edgy you've probably never heard of them :tongue:



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Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.




You're right, fuck Hendrix, that worthless piece of shit. I'm sure the shitty metal music you enjoy listening to is so much better. :rolleyes:



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    #18463721 - 06/24/13 04:15 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I like when music fans get all egotistical about music that they never even made themselves. It's very funny to me.


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    #18463811 - 06/24/13 05:04 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, it is. i mean, who is gonna really "hate" Hendrix...? no one really, but people will say that he sucks major dong, because people will constantly judge music they haven't even made... like for example... "metal is just noise, boy, you suck".

this kind of drivel deserves no response, but it calls and beckons for one... so you say some bullshit, like "welp, it's better then Hendrix." but you know you're not really as sincere as the dolt bashing all of a type of music because they "disagree" with the "sound" it's a part of.

it's all good. it's all music. but when someone turns to me and says "well, no, that sucks though..."

i'm going to tell them what i think about their shitty opinion, and that vitriol is usually bound to include why i think Pink Floyd is incredibly overrated and that i find people growling into mics, and shreading madly over blast beats, and we're gonna have a difference of opinion... this however doesn't infer that i "dislike" any Pink Floyd... but to anyone who shares their opinion on whether one type of music is "better" then another, it'll most certainly be pointed out, after my inference towards that opinion; that "i don't like Pink Floyd hence i can't have a valid opinion about music" whilst in the same argument, saying that the music i listen to sucks, in comparison. being completely hypocritical. it never fails. it ALWAYS is this same way.

personally, i think people like this are funny and stupid.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: something super extreme] * 2
    #18492514 - 06/30/13 03:24 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Jerry Garcia is a terrible fucking singer.
Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like half-mumbled shit, and when you can even understand him it's usually some vague and pointless empty lyrics that idiotic hippie types cling to as a sort of messianic message.

The musicianship is mediocre and lacking any show of virtuosity. Songs are the same boring-ass shit played by a bunch of brain-fried imbeciles. Jerry Garcia's a pretentious prick who vastly overestimates the quality and significance of his 'contributions' to the arts. I'll admit, I was amused when I read about the fat fucking going into a diabetic coma though.

I also have a deep personal hatred for the talentless piece of shit that is Mickey Hart, who somehow felt justified in producing two equally worthless books on drumming and percussion.

Then again, attempting to convince a bunch of bumbling hippies why a mediocre jam band isn't the most revolutionary band in the history of music is kind of pointless, so whatever. While I'm at it, fuck Phish, Hendrix, and Bob Dylan too.





I completely agree with everything except for fuck hendrix. Hendrix had an awesome style.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: ganjfather]
    #18492551 - 06/30/13 03:34 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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    #18492801 - 06/30/13 04:21 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: ganjfather]
    #25013352 - 02/22/18 04:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting thread, I wonder if anyone has anymore dis-information.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: tetraluxii]
    #25661635 - 12/06/18 02:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

The whole psychedelic subculture was planned and started by the OSS and CIA, because of a variety of reasons that all revolved around controlling the public. What's a revolution worth when all it does is give the sheeple a feeling of freedom inside a worldly prison, followed by no veritable action at all? All the hippies that made it into congress abandoned their ideals, and most of the ones that didn't abandon their ideals either died of drug-related issues or went silent, turned their backs to govt and toiled their gardens.

Slavery was never abolished, it was expanded. In fact, it was expanded even before the Africans were imported as slave workers. It goes back to beyond fucking Rome.

If y'all don't see that, they fooled you. Simple as that. We've all been there. They're just THAT good at what they do. It's mainly because they use the study of human psychology and group dynamics and other related studies to their advantage, in conjunction with a close monitoring and steering of the culture over decades or even hundreds of years, if you look at it in the grand scheme.

How much of this is known by the idolized vectors of the cultural movements is beyond anyone's knowledge. No one will ever know the extent of how many pop/rock/rap/whatever stars knew what they were doing, but a whole lot of em did it anyway. Gangsta rap was just as much used as a tool for mindcontrol as psychedelic rock; Government even means mind control.

No tinfoil here. Just awake af.



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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: LizardWizard]
    #25664203 - 12/07/18 07:38 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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The whole psychedelic subculture was planned and started by the OSS and CIA, because of a variety of reasons that all revolved around controlling the public. What's a revolution worth when all it does is give the sheeple a feeling of freedom inside a worldly prison, followed by no veritable action at all? All the hippies that made it into congress abandoned their ideals, and most of the ones that didn't abandon their ideals either died of drug-related issues or went silent, turned their backs to govt and toiled their gardens.

Slavery was never abolished, it was expanded. In fact, it was expanded even before the Africans were imported as slave workers. It goes back to beyond fucking Rome.

If y'all don't see that, they fooled you. Simple as that. We've all been there. They're just THAT good at what they do. It's mainly because they use the study of human psychology and group dynamics and other related studies to their advantage, in conjunction with a close monitoring and steering of the culture over decades or even hundreds of years, if you look at it in the grand scheme.

How much of this is known by the idolized vectors of the cultural movements is beyond anyone's knowledge. No one will ever know the extent of how many pop/rock/rap/whatever stars knew what they were doing, but a whole lot of em did it anyway. Gangsta rap was just as much used as a tool for mindcontrol as psychedelic rock; Government even means mind control.

No tinfoil here. Just awake af.





There is no one at the steering wheel.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #25664910 - 12/08/18 05:52 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, there's a variety of people together at the steering wheel, all doing their relatively minute part to reach the right destination. I say RELATIVELY minute, because in the grand scheme of things, no one of these persons actually executed a large percentage of the needed work, though that relativity also tends to colour things a bit pale when we realize what the combined results of those actions were and still are; They shaped today's world culture and society to a very great extent, including our values that we hold so dearly, yet were psychologically force-fed through the use of various media and events. A good example of this is that overt sexuality was made mainstream years before the hippie movement, through a ballet performance where the performer mimicked masturbation on stage, which was very much not done in that day and age, yet when it became clear the performance was backed by seemingly official medical organizations supposedly aimed at fighting venereal disease, that were actually fronts called into life (by Eddie Bernays) to propel the ideation of overt sexuality without the otherwise imminent interference of official powers, the New York Times and other critics hailed the piece of debasing mime play as .That swayed almost the entire country to view sex very differently over time; leading the way to the seemingly free society we live in today. But if we really were a free people as earthlings, would we not also be free to travel the world without written consent of a so-called higher power, use whatever naturally available substance we choose too, and to decide for ourselves just how much we really want to work, instead of being socially forced towards a 40-hour working week..?

I'm not saying it's worse now than back in the 20's and 30's, but I find it very hard to believe there was no direction given to this evolution, certainly given the fact that throughout history, the wealthy have always, without fault, worked at turning the masses toward work and pastimes that would benefit the top of society the most. The fact that we have the feeling to be free is merely an example of how well it is thought out and, basically, engineered.

When we look at the group of people who are at the steering wheel and we compare them to a single part of a single organism, things become even clearer. A group of wealthy and smart individuals containing bankers, government officials, industrials and media figures all work together towards their individual yet overlapping goals, mainly to stay in the head and arms of the global body of humans, as to steer it's arms, body and legs toward that point where power always remains consolidated in a central intelligence community/agency, whithout anyone raising flags high enough to ever disturb their interests.

I just wonder what would become of humanity when we would be pulled out of Plato's cave entirely, instead of just being repeatedly moved to various other caves with other views.

Also, I wonder if that would ever be possible, given the extent of mind control that is going on in today's society. You yourself say nobody is at the steering wheel, and to the driver's credit, that's exactly the point. To keep you believing that we as a whole society are at the steering wheel together. It's a funny thing when you realize what democracy, for instance, really is. It's mob rule. And it's the one of the best systems thinkable for management of masses, because the masses are so easily influenced because nearly all of the masses gobble up their news stories before their first cup o coffee is empty. "Start your day properly indoctrinated. Good boy!" The "Good Boy" comes from the cup of coffee that releases feel-good-hormones while you read the propaganda machines called "papers".

If no one was at the wheel, and if we truly had freedom, what would you do with your life? Think about that for a while.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: LizardWizard]
    #25675916 - 12/13/18 03:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole psychedelic subculture was planned and started by the OSS and CIA, because of a variety of reasons that all revolved around controlling the public.

They're just THAT good at what they do.







If the government is so great at creating youth subcultures why didn't they just create a bunch of little war fan boys? Creating a group that is antiwar helped make the vietnam war unpopular.

It seems like it is only in theoretical conspiracy situations that the government is totally in control of everything like this. In real life they are more like completely incompetent. The government doesn't do anything right, but somehow were able to create whole youth subcultures to advance their own agenda years down the road, while foreseeing future conditions. Not buying it.

They for sure infiltrated the subculture just like they infiltrated black panthers, communists, labor etc. They didn't create those groups though, in my opinion they aren't capable.

Spreading LSD really ran counter to what the government aims are/were. Look at all the hippies who gave up on capitalism, the government want's taxpayers, not stinky bums on welfare. The idea they somehow predicted all those hippies would become 80s yuppies is pretty hard for me to swallow. Same with predicting they would become junkies and die.

A lot of people who spread these conspiracies think because MK ULTRA used LSD that it worked as a mind control substance on the public at large, which is crazy. LSD doesn't control the population.


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Re: Were the Grateful Dead Freemason Satanists? [Re: viraldrome]
    #25675939 - 12/13/18 04:16 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you quite understand how crowd manipulation works.


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