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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14706759 - 07/02/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

those black spots are not a good sign. :frown:

Take better pictures and repost them in contamination forum to be sure.
Its better to do it early than later..:wink:

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14706798 - 07/02/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If your jars do not have a straight neck, that will not work, besides, one pint is too much for PF TEK, but maybe you choose to do grains...

I saw you sat here and repeatedly told us off, do not do that. I am more than familiar with BRF cakes. They do not like being chopped up and mutilated and this will severely stall growth.

I would much like you to give us an accurate description of exactly how and what you mixed. Besides, you do not need a pressure cooker for BRF cakes, only for grains.

Please post a more accurate description of your techniques and also, when we tell you about this, listen. The PF TEK is a very simple and straightforward system, dont mess with it.

First off, please post sharper images, I can see there is something off about those jars. Second; please tell us how and exactly what you did.

:smile:

love from kd:heart:

Edited by kdmmontana (07/02/11 02:03 PM)

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14707036 - 07/02/11 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

kdmontana: I dont know what the hell ur problem is but I never told anyone off repeatedly. Get over it.


The mix is BRF and Verm. I decided to not use the WBS because it was recommended here that I didnt. I used a pressure cooker up to 15psi for 60mins. Let the jars cool and then injected the spores. The New Moon spores syringes are completely black so maybe that is what you are seeing. There are no black spots, most likely my camera's inability to get a good clear shot through the glass.

I am using pint wide mouth jars and I chose the bigger size because I have seen it done for one and because I am fruiting from split cakes. I have posted that several times. There will be no issue getting the cakes out I am using the recommended Ball brand Wide Mouth Pint Jars.

Edited by Shagster (07/02/11 03:16 PM)

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14707120 - 07/02/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Shagster said:
kdmontana: I dont know what the hell ur problem is but I never told anyone off repeatedly. Get over it.

- I am sorry, I did not mean to impose that you are some sort of asshole; its just that sometimes there are milestones to be crossed and issues to be dealt with and then its good to hear it from us who have experience in the PF TEK, especially as things can go wrong. I am not angry nor do I have a problem, I just dont want you to have them later:) hugs!

The mix is BRF and Verm. I decided to not use the WBS because it was recommended here that I didnt. I used a pressure cooker up to 15psi for 60mins. Let the jars cool and then injected the spores. The New Moon spores syringes are completely black so maybe that is what you are seeing. There are no black spot, most likely my camera's inability to get a good clear shot through the glass.

I am using pint wide mouth jars and I chose the bigger size because I have seen it done for one and because I am fruiting from split cakes. I have posted that several times. There will be no issue getting the cakes out I am using the recommended Ball brand Wide Mouth Pint Jars.




"Did this go unnoticed by everyone else? This is a bad idea for the PF/BRF tek. Half pints are recommended for a reason."

You obviously did not take that comment into consideration.
Stalling jars, dry jars, air (O2) issues, are all things which you will learn to both control and hate and its easier to do both with 240 ml jars. I use 125 ml jars personally.

The less substrate, the less mess and the less loss should one or two jars go bad. I dont fight your right to make things harder at all, its just that with double the substrate you will have 5-6 weeks of colonization time given that all goes normal, then 1 week cons. and then 2 week fruiting. This totals in about 2 months(even more cons. dunking, etc). So its a lot easier losing 2 out of 20 125 ml to cont. or whatever than losing say 4 out of 10 1 pint jars. It takes less time, less mess and less anger to get going again.

I do not have a problem at all, Its just boggers to sit there and watch half of your Sub being fucked, instead or tossing two cakes and moving on with the rest of the 18 others.

I am just trying to help:)

I hope it all works out anyhow and I am more than anxious to see the results. :smile:

Love from KD:heart:

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14707144 - 07/02/11 03:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

WTB camera focus.

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14707170 - 07/02/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have a friend who has done PFTek the exact way I am doing it with the exact type of spores and jar size and it worked fine just takes a little longer to colonize cause you want it all the way to the center of the cake especially when splitting cakes. I chose the bigger jars because I want yeild but I dont want casings so I will take what I can get from this. I dont think there is any set way to do this personally, but I am following a write I was linked to from here and the help from a few friends who have several runs under their belts.

I only have 5 jars and a pile of substrate materials so if these go I have 2 syringes left and plenty of jars to inoculate. I bought my own PC so I can do all my own sterilization in house on the fly. I sterilized everything according to what you and a couple others told me. All of which were listed methods from ET on spore injection.

I have faith these jars will do just fine, they arent slammed full so they should do well my only concern at this point is over sporing slowing down colonization times on some of the jars.

I appreciate the help, that is why I posted here. Dont think your advice or suggestions go unnoted.

Edited by Shagster (07/02/11 03:35 PM)

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: VaeVictum]
    #14707178 - 07/02/11 03:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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VaeVictum said:
WTB camera focus.




:rolleyes::grin: Fujifilm F50fd, great camera..:smile:

Edited by kdmmontana (07/02/11 03:42 PM)

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14707188 - 07/02/11 03:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have faith too! I dont doubt you know your shit at all, I just wanted to give that small input for the future. Eg. my biggest problem is air loss(O2) and not cont. Depending on the specific set of problems each grower can run into, its good to start out small to get a feel for whats around the corner:) *wink*

And please also post up some sharper images in a day or two, it will be valuable to our more cont. experienced members to have a look at. Just post up if you have any doubts:)

Love from KD:heart:

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    #14707203 - 07/02/11 03:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Here are hopefully some better shots:


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    #14707227 - 07/02/11 03:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Here are hopefully some better shots:






Looks okay so far. Mind the growth rate and pattern of growth closely. Also, colour is important. So far in all of my experience mushroom mycelium grows in a oval pattern and is thick and rhizomorphic (some species).

This is a picture of healthy mycelium:




Notice the rhizomorphs on the edges:) These are the first things to look for when health checking the mycelia. Also color offset is important.

This picture was taken around 5 days into germination, so that should give you a good matchup and make it easy as pie to check your shit:)

Hugs!

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14707269 - 07/02/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

kdmmontana said:
Quote:

Shagster said:
Here are hopefully some better shots:






Looks okay so far. Mind the growth rate and pattern of growth closely. Also, colour is important. So far in all of my experience mushroom mycelium grows in a oval pattern and is thick and rhizomorphic (some species).

This is a picture of healthy mycelium:




Notice the rhizomorphs on the edges:) These are the first things to look for when health checking the mycelia. Also color offset is important.

This picture was taken around 5 days into germination, so that should give you a good matchup and make it easy as pie to check your shit:)

Hugs!




Nice. IRL that is exactly what my small spot looks like more or less. Its healthy looking so far. The half pints definitely colonize faster obviously and that strain in your picture has a pretty high growth rate. Hopefully the over spore issue didnt set mine back any, the one in the picture seems to be doing well. Once i get the replacement syringe from ET I will knock up 5 more jars the right amount. I may pick up some half pints to do some quick runs with to get it down.

The strain in those jars is Penis Envy, or whatever it may be since PE's dont drop spores so I have been told. Its ET's PE so growing them is the only way to find out somewhat what it truely is.

Edited by Shagster (07/02/11 04:10 PM)

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14708233 - 07/02/11 07:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so I checked the jars again to see if I could see any signs in the other jars. I was in the room doing some work so I took a look in the tray, I am not constantly fucking with them. Same exact thing in 3 of the 5 jars. I am stoked. Should be a good show from here on out. Once the spots get bigger I will take some more pics.

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Re: Need Help With My First Try,,,, Please help [Re: Shagster]
    #14709716 - 07/03/11 04:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wonderful! Keep us posted:)
:smile:
Hugs!:heart:

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