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Minimal resource hay tek + pics.
    #14670741 - 06/25/11 02:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Materials required:
Spore print ( I suppose a syringe would work just as well.)
Hay*
*Hay can be found as rabbit feed in any grocery store.
Popcorn kernels.

Decent size plastic bag with a melting point above 80 Celsius.
Usable jar (I used marmalade jars)

Oven
Stove / cooking pot.
air filtering material (micropore tape, polyfill, tyvek)
Hydrogen Peroxide*
*Peroxide is optional.
Lysol

Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.
It will probably have a high contamination rate and not yield that much compared to teks.
But it is very cheap and all materials minus spores can be found anywhere in the world.

1.1 Soak your popcorn in temperate water over night.
1.2 Hydrate your popcorn. This is done by steeping/simmering it until 50% of the kernels have split open a little bit.
1.3 Rinse the corn to remove starch from it.
1.4 Dry your corn by placing it on a towel until it's only a little moist to the touch.
1.5 Take your jars and punch a small hole in the lids, then cover the holes with micropore tape/tyvek or stuff it with polyfill.
1.6 Load your jars with corn and put the lids back on, wrap the top of them with tinfoil.
1.7 Boil the jars in a normal cooking pot for 60 minutes. Make sure there no direct contact between the jars and the pot.
1.8 Take out the jars and let them cool, do not the remove the tinfoil.

2.1 Clean your bathroom and remove towels, toothbrushes, toilet paper and razors.
2.2 Take a shower. Make sure to clean your hair well.
2.3 Heavily dust the room with lysol.
2.4 After waiting an hour for the lysol to settle, bring your jars and spore print in.
2.5 Open your jars and gently dust some spores from your print on the corn. Works fast and make sure your  fingers never make contact with the print or the jars.
2.6 Put your lids back on, shake the jars.

3.1 after 4-5 days you should see the first wisp of mycelia emerge. This can take a little longer or shorter. You might get very rizomorphic or very fluffy growth. This comes down to genes and maybe air exchange.
3.2 Some people like to shake their jars after they are 20-30% colonized. I prefer not to do this as i find it stuns the mycelia.
3.3 Once the jars have full colonized, soak the hay overnight in a weak peroxide/water solution. Peroxide is optional.
3.4 Remove some excess nitrogen form the hay by steeping it in 70-80 degrees Celsius water.
3.5, Squeeze the hay to remove excess water. This is important in preventing bacterial contamination. (You will probably see a few black bacterial patches anyway, but it's nothing to worry about if the mycelium has taken over)
3.5 Cut a few small holes in the bag and cover them with your filtering material*
*I actually ended up tearing a hole in the bag while pouring the spawn in. It had no ill effects. I wouldn't advise it though.
3.6 Put the hay in the oven bag, close it and bake it at 75 Celsius for one hour.

4.1 Dust your bathroom with lysol as in step 2.1-2.4
4.2 Break up your spawn (colonized corn) and mix it in the hay as well as you're able to.
4.3 Seal the  bag and let it sit for approximately two weeks. Depending how much spawn to hay you used (I like a 2/5 ratio).
4.4 Once you see the first pin forming, lower the temperature of the room and get the bag out in light.
4.5 If you feel the need to do so, you can tear a few rifts in the bag to promote fresh air exchange.
4.6 Once the veil on your shrooms break, pick them by gently twisting them at the stem until they go loose.
4.7 If you want another flush, you could try dunking the cake.








Edited by miganders (06/30/11 12:38 PM)

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek. [Re: miganders]
    #14670958 - 06/25/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If anyone have something to add, feel free to let me know.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14671475 - 06/25/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

updated with a few pics.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14671500 - 06/25/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14671519 - 06/25/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?





As far as I understand, you can't prepare rye without a pressure cooker.

Quote:

Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.



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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14671595 - 06/25/11 06:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You certainly cannot prepare popcorn without a pressure cooker.

...so this isn't a tek then?
I mean, it's just a guess at this point?
You haven't actually grown mushrooms?


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14671631 - 06/25/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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You certainly cannot prepare popcorn without a pressure cooker.

...so this isn't a tek then?
I mean, it's just a guess at this point?
You haven't actually grown mushrooms?





Well you certainly can my friend :rolleyes:
Or else I'm growing some kind of deceptive fungi mimicking cubensis perfectly.

As far as to how long i am in the grow, well as you can see by the pics, it's fruiting strong and the veil just broke on the biggest fruit.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14671638 - 06/25/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:shrug: So why can't you prep rye the same way? :confused:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14671697 - 06/25/11 06:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Rye houses more spores inside the grain.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14672131 - 06/25/11 08:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Rye houses more spores inside the grain.


:thumbdown:Bull.
I think its lucky you grew myc. on corn without sterilizing.

Some people have been fermenting grains and growing without a p.c. or even boiling their jars..

If you start growing a bunch of trich, i think you'll know what needs to change first.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: deadmandave]
    #14673297 - 06/26/11 01:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I've done it twice, and I do sterilize, just not with a PC.
All i know is it works. :confused:

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14673341 - 06/26/11 02:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

good effort man.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #14673562 - 06/26/11 04:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

While a pressure cooker is optimal, whatever this guy is doing works so what's the big deal?

Keep us posted dude! I wanna know what your yield is!

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14673609 - 06/26/11 05:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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...so this isn't a tek then?
I mean, it's just a guess at this point?
You haven't actually grown mushrooms?




I don't doubt that he got some mushrooms. I do doubt that this took minimal effort though. Fermentation would have been much easier, and you can do transfers with it as well.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: maug]
    #14673808 - 06/26/11 07:40 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think you may be onto something here.

If you can do a few more successful grows using popcorn without a pressure cooker and document it, I will give it a shot the same way and if it works you get some of my homemade brownies :wink:

Ooookay, I am blind and did not see that you already posted your steps. I will give it a shot as soon as I get some spores.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14673899 - 06/26/11 08:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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HydrogenPeroxide aka Bleach*
*bleach is optional.






Hydrogen Peroxide is not Bleach. They are VERY different. Most household bleach is NaClO Not H2O2

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: digital3555]
    #14674030 - 06/26/11 09:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, i corrected it.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14674071 - 06/26/11 09:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've cooked popcorn similarly. I boiled the jars for 2 hours each though, and I had a few make it. Most went bad though. Good luck to you.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14674987 - 06/26/11 01:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: ManicMongrel]
    #14675338 - 06/26/11 02:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.




how do you figure it takes phosphate and nitrogen for potent cubes?


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14675905 - 06/26/11 05:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Doc_T said:
What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?





As far as I understand, you can't prepare rye without a pressure cooker.

Quote:

Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.






Quote:

miganders said:
Quote:

Doc_T said:
What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?





As far as I understand, you can't prepare rye without a pressure cooker.

Quote:

Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.







A couple of years ago I tried popcorn in some plastic Tupperware containers that were slightly rounded at the bottom, but were the same volume as the Ball pint jars.  I cut a 1/4" hole in the top of the screw on lids, soaked popcorn, put micropore over the hole, put press'n'seal over the entire lid, and microwaved it for a forgotten amount of time on low heat.  It was a long time on a low setting so it heated evenly and didn't get mega hot on high, but they were inoculated just like grain jars (anything else) and spawned to Black Cow manure/verm in aluminum trays for bread or something.  I lined the bottom of the tray with verm before pouring everything in after mixing, and put a thin layer of verm/manure on top.  Covered with foil and allowed to colonize... smelled like fucking shit (worse than manure). 

It was an experiment to do a lot of what people say don't do and they fruited very, very well in a shotgun.  At the time I had one of those little MistyMates that let out a fine mist and I'd fan/mist 3 times a day. It was Cambodia strain, and aside from small pins due to the small trays, it worked incredibly well. 

I ended up going back to popcorn after the organic market near me closed, and I dislike birdseed.  My casing layers are put in the microwave first. :shrug:  Never had problems, but I quit casing when I did grow because after a lot of grows the uncased produced larger mushrooms than the cased with neither having much difference in total yield.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14678795 - 06/27/11 07:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I just harvested the largest fruit.

The stem is 24 grams wet, the cap is away printing.

But remind you that the cap was fully open so it might not be that potent.

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14678944 - 06/27/11 08:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.




how do you figure it takes phosphate and nitrogen for potent cubes?




Hay is a pretty wide term, if you are using whats left of for example wheat/barley/rye straw after the grain is removed then there is not a whole lot else than celluloses in it. Anyway I had a potency loss with using just straw, threw in some coffee grinds in the next round and it turned out much better.

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk but, the fungus isn't very likely to synthesize shitloads of alkaloids if its short on amino acids and phosfate either. Its just a simple trick to make sure you have enough if the corn doesn't cover it.


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    #14679114 - 06/27/11 09:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyway I had a potency loss

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk




#1 explain to me your method of testing for potency. and for the love of fucking god. tell me you arent growing from spores.

#2 no... just no...


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14679817 - 06/27/11 12:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyway I had a potency loss

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk




#1 explain to me your method of testing for potency. and for the love of fucking god. tell me you arent growing from spores.

#2 no... just no...




#1 compared same dose of the previous bulk to the new one, gram to gram, dry weight. I grew with LC (malt extract), and no it werent cubes. No antidepressants or indole psychedelics in the picture, 2 week apart, weakest new one first.

Did you expect a double blind test with 100 random test subjects to figure out which bulk were strongest?

If you get the spores to germinate, why do you mean the method is important as long as you get clean spawn?

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You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk


as in CAN NOT.
Since when did potency stop being controlled be genetics?

What do mean exactly? That you can make them more potent by adding excess nutrition? I said sometimes grain straw might not have enough, its pretty commonly accepted that coffee is an additive that covers it.


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    #14680656 - 06/27/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you wanted to test that, you could add a little dry egg white powder.


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    #14684657 - 06/28/11 05:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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and no it werent cubes.




what species then?


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    #14684898 - 06/28/11 07:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The first flush has been plucked.

70 g. fresh.

A spore print is well underway.

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    #14684980 - 06/28/11 08:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.




how do you figure it takes phosphate and nitrogen for potent cubes?






Because it does, lol...  "Mycelium Running", by Paul Stamets, page 98: "The psilocybe mushrooms... absorb phosphorus from their surroundings in order to synthesize the psilocybin molecule (0-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N, N-dimethyltryptamine)..."


See; both phosphorus and nitrogen ARE needed to make potent mushies :smile:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14688098 - 06/28/11 07:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

it also says in there that its best to INCUBATE your substrates at 84 degrees.

and light WILL HINDER colonization of mycelium.

:shrug: i just dont buy speculation, i want proof :hehehe:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14688493 - 06/28/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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i just dont buy speculation, i want proof 




Are u sure of that? Cause when I read ur posts all u talk about is what one should do, and various things will not work at all no matter what and u dont talk about proof. Damn koolaid just tell him it wont work and hes wrong like u allways do. :facepalm3:

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    #14690940 - 06/29/11 10:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

@ the astronaut,

Please keep your little spat confined to the PM, as opposed to dragging your beef with Koolaid through the entire forum. It hasn't contributed to any of the threads you have spammed. Thanks for understanding and handling it maturely.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14696110 - 06/30/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I grew panaeolus tropicalis.

If you dont have enough nitrogen or phosphorus, the fungus has less resources to make anthranilic acid which is used together with phosphoribosyl PP  to make the amino acid L-Tryptophan (8 enzyme reactions).



which is converted to tryphamine then psilocin, then finally to psilocybin.

Phosphate and L-Tryptophan will be prioritized for other compounds than psilocybin if resources are only available in limited supply. Its a general principle in biosynthesis that an organism will use resources on the vital processes first and foremost. A fungus wont use two of the most vital building blocks there is to produce alkaloids, when it barely have enough for keeping the machinery running and reproduction. Alkaloids like psilocybin are secondary metabolites, they are not necessary for vital processes, so the fungus wont make much of them if resources are scarce. Nature is usually delightfully practical.

A search on psilocybin shows a molecule with phosphate and nitrogen, then follow the links through alkaloids to secondary metabolites.

Wikipedia covers all of it with reliable resources, if you want a good book try Paul M. Dewick's "midicinal natural products". You demand proof as you say, so if you take pride in being skeptical to everything on principle, why dont you even bother taking a quick look on wikipedia?

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14720995 - 07/05/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Some photos before harvest day.
I guess i should have uploaded these a littler earlier.  :facepalm:

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14724875 - 07/06/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I see three small new pins.  :feelsgoodman:

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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14726032 - 07/06/11 01:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think they need more FAE.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14749812 - 07/11/11 06:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Second flush fatties.

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