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 Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.)  [Re: ]
#1522476 - 05/05/03 04:34 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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First off the only black-spored shroom in BC would be panaeolus subbalteatus. ANd you would more likely find it in rotted hay or a hay compost heap at a riding stable or a race track int he spring before the hot summer months and right after the hort summer months.
That is because i is the most common of the Panaeolus with psilocine/psilocybine.
The Copelandia's do not exist in B.C.
They are a tropical and subtropical species, although ocassionaly one might find one or two specimens in a lifetime inbthe PNW.
SO the only black spored shroom you would want would grow where I just said it would but Panaelus subbalteatus are rare in manure in the PNW.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: mjshroomer]
#1595700 - 05/31/03 04:16 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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so John, you're SURE that the ONLY black-spored mushroom in British Columbia would be Pan Subbs, because I found some mushrooms that look like
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/photos/Coprinus_micaceus(mgw-01).jpg
but the gills aren't white they're black as w/ the spores and you say the only black-spored mush is pan subbs, so what's the deal? should I eat these?
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: Wysefool]
#1595727 - 05/31/03 05:44 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quoting from MJ's post #1520555:
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The following Genera beolong to the family of Coprinacea and include: Coprinus, Annalaria, Panaeolus and Copelandia and they all have black spore prints. The former are not psychoactive and the latter two genera are.
Copelandia and Panaeolus grow directly out of manure.
WE were talking about psilocybian mushrooms.
If your mushrooms look like the Coprinus micaceus in that Mykoweb photo then they are likely to be that species. Look closely at the cap surface (use a magnifier if possible) and see if there are some tiny, mica-like particles (sort of like glitter). If so, then they are Coprinus micaceus. If not, they could be a number of other mushrooms. It is possible to wash off the particles, so absence doesn't confirm that they aren't - it would just mean that you couldn't confirm that they were.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: ToxicMan]
#1595822 - 05/31/03 08:37 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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No what I saidc was that Panaeolus subbalteatus is the only black-spored psilocybian mushroom, and so are the Copelandia mushrooms. However Copes are proabably would be extremely rare, meaning one or two in twenty yerars. So that leaves Panaeolus subbalteatus whcih usually is found in Hay compost heaps and sometimes rare in manure of Cow and sometimes horse.
As I noted above, hay compost is usually straw and horse manure mixed together, However they grow diirectly from hay also, which is their primary habitat.
The compost heaps can also have nut shells inthem.
mj
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: mjshroomer]
#1610501 - 06/05/03 03:33 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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 Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: mjshroomer]
#1626670 - 06/11/03 03:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i live in buffalo newyork and i found then in a park
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: dave12]
#1626979 - 06/11/03 05:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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uhhhh, those pics are extremely bad.
try again!
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 Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: mjshroomer]
#1627016 - 06/11/03 05:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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You really do not need metol to test your shrooms and I am not sure it photo shops still sell it.
The bluing in a species is natural ffrom natural damages to the shrooms from wind, rain, falling leaves slugs chewing on them, humans walking on them. They all leave bluing maerks from damage to a fresh shroom or one in aging process.
Metol's readily available -- if you have access to a real hard-core photography shop. If not, there's always B&H -- http://www.bhphotovideo.com
Metol isn't exactly common because it's used in a rather old process, but a lot of photographers still swear by it.
100g metol runs about nine bucks US.
I intend to pick some up. The blueing reaction of the bruised fruit alone is not a surefire indicator of psilocin/psilobycin content.
...I hope this post doesn't violate any rules about vendors, etc, but since it's related to identification and thus safety, and it's perfectly legal, I figure it's probably ok.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1627046 - 06/11/03 05:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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...I also have to say that some of the information, the way it was given, seems somewhat dangerous.
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If the sporeprint is jet black, then the mushroom belongs to one of the following genera: Panaeolus and/or Copelandia species.
This should be reworded to "If the sporeprint is not jet black, then the mushroom is not Panaeolus or Copelandia," or "Panaeolus and Copelandia drop black sporeprints, but are not the only genera which do so."
I realise that, in context, this is the way that that statement should be read -- but information such as this should be made quite explicitely clear.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: Sev]
#1627159 - 06/11/03 06:51 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i believe the only mushrooms with black spore prints are a few species of Gomphidiaceae and the coprinus and panaeolus genuses of Coprinaceae.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1628298 - 06/12/03 07:16 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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HE has posted that image in four diffferent threads. this is irritating.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1628304 - 06/12/03 07:20 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Coprinus, Anellaria, Copelandia and Panaeolus are black spored mushrooms.
Panaeolina are chocolate brown spored mushrooms.
Panaeolus and Copelandia grow dire tly from dung. Panaeolus subbalteatus nbeing the primariy psychoactive panaeolus speciies is more commonin rotted hay and in compost heaps than from directly in manure of cattle and horses.
Corpinus are inky caps and can easily be differentiated form the psychoactive Panaeolus or the 13 species of Copelandia which are commonin cow and buffalo shit.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: mjshroomer]
#1628308 - 06/12/03 07:23 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would also like to opoint out that only a small percentage of the 191 species of psilocybian mushrooms occur in manure. The majority of them occur in habitats other than manure.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus. [Re: mjshroomer]
#1628827 - 06/12/03 12:26 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes, sir. nice info.
those are the four genera of the Coprinaceae, as you stated earlier.
also, the gomphidiaceae, consisting of the Gomphidius and Chroogomphus genera have smoky-gray to black spore prints. a few species of Chroogomphus also have deep green-black-gray spore prints, so the the family is not consistently black-spored like coprinaceae, but there a lot of species with black spore prints.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: ]
#2070983 - 11/04/03 07:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you did a GREAT job of putting so much useful information in that post, with so little words. I could never have done that! Thanks for the extremely useful information mjshroomer!
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: DMJ]
#2072137 - 11/05/03 01:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm curious, are there any posionous mushrooms within the Coprinus, Anellaria, Copelandia and Panaeolus generas?
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: Imobiletoe]
#2072665 - 11/05/03 08:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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oprinus atramentarius contains disuferam like properties, which when eaten in conjunction with alcohol will cause a person to retch and vomit for up to 7 days later if alcohol is consumed in that period.
mj
On the other hand Coprinus comatus (shaggy mane) is a highly edilble shroom if sliced fresh and fried lightly (sauteed) in garlic a, buutter and a drop or two of lemon.
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: no-tone]
#2074426 - 11/05/03 06:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: ]
#2076517 - 11/06/03 09:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushroom, I personally still consider Psilocyvbe cubensis to be a Stropharia.
So in one way I am correct, although, in the genus Psilocybe the pellicle is only one characteristic of the genera.
mj
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Re: How to identify Psilocybe Species and Panaeolus. (Illus.) [Re: mjshroomer]
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