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Perpetual energy vehicles!!
    #14665275 - 06/24/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It has been a long time dream of mine to own a vehicle, preferably a plane, powered by perpetual energy  - means that propulsion is extreemly efficient and practically with no need to refuel the vehicle.

Now there are few new solar power panels avaliable right now, some producing 120 wats or more... there not strong enough to propel an plane but sure can power a small / medium sized boat.

I believe it was called Astro Power, the device i read about last summer... anyone knows any new technology that can power up a boat?

I will research new developments in solar power energy and post it here! :awesome:

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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: desant]
    #14665294 - 06/24/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics


Also i got robotic studio development program, with it i can build the entire system of a electro boat!



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In transport
Main article: Photovoltaics in transport
PV has traditionally been used for electric power in space. PV is rarely used to provide motive power in transport applications , but is being used increasingly to provide auxiliary power in boats and cars. A self-contained solar vehicle would have limited power and low utility , but a solar-charged vehicle would allow use of solar power for transportation. Solar-powered cars have been demonstrated.






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Can anyone help? Shroomism, can you channel some info from spirit guides i hear they know their shit :confused:




Anyone? What kin dof power and voltage do i need to power a boat? If they say a solar panel is 120 watts, what kind of voltage it should be to power engine?

And engine, i hear propeller engines are VERY inefficient, jet / turbin engines of which i know nothing are more energy efficient.

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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: desant]
    #14665382 - 06/24/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.transatlantic21.org/ :awesome:


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The "sun21"
The boat is called "sun21". It is a catamaran of the MW-LINE Type C 60 and it is similar to the boats used at the Swiss National Exposition Expo 02. The boat is about 14 m long and 6.6 m wide. It sleeps 5 to 6 persons for the long journey across the Atlantic and has room for large groups for visits or short excursions. The kitchen is placed in one hull and sanitary installations in the other. A large deck roofed with photovoltaic modules has been installed between the hulls. The boat is equipped with solar modules, batteries and motors allowing a constant speed of 5–6 knots (10–12 km/h) 24 hours a day, equivalent to the average speed of sailing yachts.





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Drive:

2 electric motors, 8 kW each

Batteries:

520 Ah/C5, 48 V DC lead accumulators in each hull

Photovoltaic:

2 x 5 kW solar modules, ca. 65 m2






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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: desant] * 2
    #14665541 - 06/24/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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powered by perpetual energy  - means that propulsion is extreemly efficient and practically with no need to refuel the vehicle.




Your title is misleading, because that is not what perpetual energy means.

What you are talking about is renewable energy and energy efficiency.  You might get more response if your thread was titled as such.

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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: DieCommie]
    #14669871 - 06/25/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: DieCommie]
    #14695345 - 06/30/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not what "perpetual energy" usually is intended to mean.

Technically, all energy, as far as we know, is perpetual.

It's just perpetually going from a higher state of usefulness, to a lower one.


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14695641 - 06/30/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> It's just perpetually going from a higher state of usefulness, to a lower one.

So when I heat up a pot of cold water for tea, assuming that hot water for tea is useful...


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: Seuss] * 1
    #14699829 - 07/01/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

,you then have fewer options as to what you can do with that energy. There are fewer potential uses.


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: Seuss]
    #14701229 - 07/01/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> It's just perpetually going from a higher state of usefulness, to a lower one.

So when I heat up a pot of cold water for tea, assuming that hot water for tea is useful...




*facepalm*

This whole thread is fail. The energy in your teapot's boiling water came directly from burned fuel or indirectly through an electric coil, a process which is not efficient and wasted energy to achieve a goal. You couldn't just build a turbine in your house, use your stove to boil water, and :Trollface: the powergrid back more than you pulled out.

Solar energy is not sufficient to propel a big fat blob of man meat very far to any amount of utility, and will not likely be in our lifetimes. You should look into United Nuclear's chemical hydrogen binding storage system.


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: blujay]
    #14701257 - 07/01/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



The real deal, safe- and effective. Minimal modifications are required to the engine. The hydrogen is chemically bonded and stored in a much higher density than would be possible as a gas. It is slowly turned into hydrogen gas and released from the tanks. That means they can't explode. You have an electrolysis generator at home separating water into H and O for you, and you just swap the tanks when it's time to refuel.

I'm not fucking around here. I don't know what's been keeping this from practical application, but United Nuclear has sold me reputable and high-quality scientific supplies for a long time... They would be the people with the resources to do this; but damn do I want one.


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: blujay]
    #14701267 - 07/01/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Boggle @

When they're showing the simple 'lectrolysis experiment, and I was like; that's the hydrogen (because there's twice as much bubblyness)

:awesome: SCIENCE :awesome:

Electric cars are great and battery technology has advanced to the point where straight-electric cars a damn fly, and recharge times could be ameliorated with a standard battery lease-and-swap system. However, due to the overall demand li-poly cells put for rare earth materials and the cost of recycling them, their excessive weight and size, I have been wondering if chemically bonded hydrogen was a better solution for years. I don't know jack about the material they're storing the hydrogen in, though. Could be that it's more difficult to produce than the hulking batteries.


Way I see it it will be all electric or hydrogen in the distant future. Your thread has made me curious, I wonder how much gain you could draw out of sticking solar cells as a supplement onto say, a Tesla S style vehicle. Problem being, of course, that the sun doesn't always shine. But weight-to-power wise, you'd think you could extend the vehicle's range that way. I don't think it would be worth it ultimately though, photo cells are fragile and even more expensive than batteries.

Also: this is a big attitude that's been holding electric cars back.

"Who the fuck wants a noiseless car that is slow as fuck. I bought a E55 AMG because of the supercharged 5.4ltr V8, what the fuck is so good about the electric car? Who wants fuel efficiency, is that really what you want? You sir are a fag. "



Well I'll take two of those in the butt, thank you.

It's called I have no transmission, buttface, is what I'd tell him. I'll whip around every single corner without ever having to touch "gear ratios" and you'll realize the perfectly smooth acceleration of four massive electric motors will rape all but the biggest, most complex combustion engines. Also, I don't have a thousand gears with fifteen thousand teeth waiting to wear out and cost me $XX,XXX. The only downside is that I get to wait ~4 hours to recharge. But again, practically, batteries could be standardized and swappable. Bigger picture, people.

Does your car need a pussy switch? This one does, unless you just want to burn out at every stop light. So tired of trash talking on electric vehicles.

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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: blujay]
    #14701488 - 07/01/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, I had never heard the hydride situation explained. I had heard the government was fucking it up, but not how.

It's the government. They know. It'd be bad for their bottom line... I feel like they can't keep that kinda tech from getting out forever.


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: blujay]
    #14701508 - 07/01/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea i dont really care, after dec 2012 this technology will be givien to us by our alien brothers  :gethigh::shrug:


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Re: Perpetual energy vehicles!! [Re: blujay]
    #14721218 - 07/05/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The real deal, safe- and effective. Minimal modifications are required to the engine. The hydrogen is chemically bonded and stored in a much higher density than would be possible as a gas. It is slowly turned into hydrogen gas and released from the tanks. That means they can't explode. You have an electrolysis generator at home separating water into H and O for you, and you just swap the tanks when it's time to refuel.

I'm not fucking around here. I don't know what's been keeping this from practical application, but United Nuclear has sold me reputable and high-quality scientific supplies for a long time... They would be the people with the resources to do this; but damn do I want one.




This method is just as bad if not worse than fossil fuels. This method runs into the same problem as lithium batteries: lithium is hard to get. There are several billion tons in the ocean but it is so dilute that an obscene amount of energy would be needed to capture it. The majority of all commercially viable lithium in the word is in Chile. Therefore any system that relies on lithium is doomed. 

Energy is abundant, we are swimming in a sea of energy. The issue is storing it. I believe storage such as compressed air are the most viable method. Another alternative being developed is methanol fuel cells, which convert dilute methanol and oxygen into CO2 and water producing electricity. Or if the reaction is run backwards electricity can be used to generate methanol and oxygen from water and CO2.

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