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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: Icelander]
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Although we had the capability to nuke them I think that might have been a bit much for their pals. Also totally unnecessary.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
#14647777 - 06/21/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Saving thousands of US soldiers is unnecessary?
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: Icelander]
#14647904 - 06/21/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Saving thousands of US soldiers is unnecessary?
I don't know that that would be the result. I have reasons to believe otherwise. Like a belief that nuking that little shithole would result in some rather unpleasant reaction, and I don't mean in the press.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
#14648247 - 06/21/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure would be fun however to see all those pretty explosions.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: Icelander]
#14648556 - 06/21/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It really is a shame they stopped the tests. We could have dropped and headed to, I believe it was, Nevada for the show.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
#14648752 - 06/21/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nevada is close and really not being used for much. 
I was living in Seattle when Mt. St Helens went off. That may be the closest I ever come to seeing something like that in person. It was really cool.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: Icelander]
#14648984 - 06/21/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Nevada is close and really not being used for much. 
I was living in Seattle when Mt. St Helens went off. That may be the closest I ever come to seeing something like that in person. It was really cool.
From what I seem to recall having read that was like the equivalent of a thousand nukes or something.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
#14648991 - 06/21/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It flattened mile upon mile of trees and not one left standing that's all I know.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: Adden]
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Dystopia said: Was this guy like an Obama sending kids to Afghanistan?
No. Vietnam had a draft.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
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EntheogenicPeace said: Yes, occupy a foreign country against the will of the occupied people, so that they may have "freedom." That's perfectly rational. The U.S. never would have "won" as the majority of ppl in SE Asia opposed the occupation and its puppets.
The majority of the people in the sovereign nation of South Vietnam asked for our help in preventing the occupation of their country by the North Vietnamese aggressors. Are you well?Quote:
This is such common knowledge among people of the world, it's sad to think you would demand evidence to know that the occupation & the government that it was propping up (which collapsed almost immediately when the U.S. imperialists finally left in defeat, indicating its total lack of popular support) were not supported by a majority.
Apparently the common knowledge you speak of is only found in beret wearing fatheads in cafes about university campuses. The US never occupied, nor was it interested in occupying any Vietnamese nation.Quote:
There's a reason the U.S. needed hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops there & dropped more bombs & caused cancers & birth defects still seen today (mostly in the south on the ppl we claimed we were there to "liberate") than all of Europe during WWII, while the nationalist/anti-colonialist faction didn't require foreign soldiers to fight there battles.
Too bad the politicians and idiots in the media demanded that they drop bombs only in peasant areas instead of where they should have been dropped. Which was on Hanoi.Quote:
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. To the U.S. & Israel the apartheid government of South Africa represented freedom, while Nelson Mandela & the ANC were terrorists; most of the rest of the world saw it differently. What you call "freedom" most of the world's people call colonialism & imperialism.
Liar. How many South Vietnamese people were murdered when the ChiCom proxies prevailed? Several hundred thousand. And then we can probably toss in the ascendancy of your friends the Khmer Rouge which almost certainly never would have come to power if S. Vietnam had not been over-run by communist murderers and slavers.
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Re: "LBJ was a sonofabitch" [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yet another one who thinks the US installed a dictator without the use of its military, which is quite different from how the Soviets "installed" their man in Afghanistan.
Your paranoid delusion of the omnipotence of the CIA is astonishing considering how inept they have proven themselves to be. I'm just sorry they didn't get the chance to properly torture your hero Che, the mass murderer.
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EntheogenicPeace said: Here's the overview of something you probably hadn't previously heard of: the 1979 fighting between the Vietnamese & Chinese that resulted in tens of thousands of deaths between the two sides.
Something you probably didn't know, they are still in a territorial dispute. They broke up five years after we left. So what? The Chicoms have always been imperialists.Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
But yes, puppets and their puppet masters frequently go to war with each other... just like how the U.S. bombed/is bombing in Egypt, Yemen, & Bahrain to defend pro-democracy advocates from repression by authoritarian governments. Keep living the rich neocon fantasy life.
Yemen? You mean this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11918037 Good. We blew up terrorists. Are you sorry bin Laden is dead?
Egypt? I found nothing.
Bahrain? Ditto.
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P.S. Here's the Wikipedia section on how Diem came to power, clearly a real champion of freedom & democracy.
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Diệm's appointment came after the French had been defeated at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu and were ready to withdraw from Indochina. At the start of 1955, French Indochina was dissolved, leaving Diệm in temporary control of the south.[11] A referendum was scheduled for October 23, 1955 to determine the future direction of the south. It was contested by Bảo Đại, the Emperor, advocating the restoration of the monarchy, while Diệm ran on a republican platform. The elections were held, with Diệm's brother and confidant Ngô Đình Nhu, the leader of the family's Can Lao Party, which supplied Diệm's electoral base, organising and supervising the elections.[12][13] Campaigning for Bảo Đại was prohibited, and the result was rigged, with Bảo Đại supporters attacked by Nhu's workers. Diệm recorded 98.2% of the vote, including 605,025 votes in Saigon, where only 450,000 voters were registered. Diệm's tally also exceeded the registration numbers in other districts.[12][14] Three days later, Diệm proclaimed the formation of the Republic of Vietnam, naming himself President.
Under the 1954 Geneva Accords, Vietnam was to undergo elections in 1956 to reunify the country. Diệm, noting that South Vietnam was not a party to the convention, canceled these. Criticising the Communists, he justified the electoral cancellation by claiming that the 1956 elections would be "meaningful only on the condition that they are absolutely free", despite his numerically impossible tally in the 1955 contest.[15]
After coming under pressure from within the country and the United States, Diệm agreed to hold legislative elections in August 1959 for South Vietnam. Newspapers were not allowed to publish names of independent candidates or their policies, and political meetings exceeding five people were prohibited. Candidates were disqualified for petty reasons such as acts of vandalism against campaign posters. In the rural areas, candidates who ran were threatened using charges of conspiracy with the Vietcong, which carried the death penalty. Phan Quang Dan, the government's most prominent critic, was allowed to run. Despite the deployment of 8,000 ARVN plainclothes troops into his district to vote, Dan still won with a 6–1 ratio. The busing of soldiers occurred across the country, and when the new assembly convened, Dan was arrested.[16][17]
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Here's the Wikipedia entry on how Ho Chi Minh came to power:
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In 1945, in a power struggle, the Việt Minh killed members of rival groups, such as the leader of the Constitutional Party, the head of the Party for Independence, and Ngô Đình Diệm’s brother, Ngô Ðình Khôi.[17] Purges and killings of Trotskyists, the rival anti-Stalinist communists, have also been documented.[18] In 1946, when Hồ traveled outside of the country, his subordinates imprisoned 25,000 non-communist nationalists and forced 6,000 others to flee.[19] Hundreds of political opponents were also killed in July that same year, notably members of the Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang and the Dai Viet Quoc Dan Dang.[20] All rival political parties were banned and local governments purged[21] to minimise opposition later on.
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EntheogenicPeace said: So you acknowledge that the two (Vietnamese & Chinese) don't like each other.... no dispute here. Did I say the Vietnamese were Chinese puppets?
Lol, what I said was sarcasm, to note that we haven't taken military actions against these authoritarian governments that we send arms, provide training to their security forces, & send other subsidies to... as they violently repress democracy. The point was to show that if the Vietnamese were puppets of the Chinese, the two would not have fought a war with each other, just like the U.S. won't go to war with these three (or other pro-Western) dictatorships in the region.
Did I say the Vietnamese were Chinese puppets? Now or then? No I did not. I said they were Chicom proxies. The Chicoms helped them fight us. That's it. They did even more than that in Korea. Castro wasn't a Soviet puppet either but he certainly was a Soviet proxy.
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