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Re: GMOs [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14655296 - 06/22/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have a clue, but the fact that GM crops can be patented and sold by large corporations will not cause a famine, that idea is just a bit too :tinfoil:

Why would corporations want to kill the human slaves they depend on to survive?

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Re: GMOs [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14655297 - 06/22/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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patents on the first Monsanto products to enter the marketplace will begin to expire in 2014, democratizing Monsanto products. In addition, a 2007 report from the European Joint Research Commission predicts that by 2015, more than 40 per cent of new GM plants entering the global marketplace will have been developed in Asia.




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Re: GMOs [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14655309 - 06/22/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Terminator crops are patented by a single corporation, Monsanto.

I'm not saying anybody would cause a famine intentionally, but accidents happen, and with absolutely no redundancies in place I just don't feel safe with this arrangement. :shrug:


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Re: GMOs [Re: Set]
    #14655313 - 06/22/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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patents on the first Monsanto products to enter the marketplace will begin to expire in 2014, democratizing Monsanto products. In addition, a 2007 report from the European Joint Research Commission predicts that by 2015, more than 40 per cent of new GM plants entering the global marketplace will have been developed in Asia.




http://ftp.jrc.es/EURdoc/report_GMOpipeline_online_preprint.pdf




I didn't know about that. :tinfoil:


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Re: GMOs [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14655503 - 06/22/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

here's a good article people should read

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/terje-cn.htm

here's my simplified example of the dangers of messing with GMO's

GMO's are 'similar' to programing on computers but much more complex, alive, and lots of things affect it.

anyways lets say you have a computer program and here's its code in plain english

im the color green i produce vitamin c i grow 4 feet tall

in code

aaabababababbababbabbcccddddcddd

lol just an example, anyways there's lots of factors here dna is obviously a very large amount of data that would most likely dwarf most computer programs in length.  So we can add or remove lines from the dna to produce effects but were still just removing the "code" or "reverse engineering" it.  Just because you find out that removing a line does this or that doesn't mean you understand the program at all.  A program isn't as simple as grow this tall, factors depend on other factors here!  Its very obvious that there can be undesired effects.  A plant might have an active gene for a toxin, but because its producing so much vitamin c it produces a very tiny amount of that toxin, but when u switch it to vitamin a there could be a butterfly effect and all the sudden your getting more toxin, or less nutrients or w/e. 

There's also errors in the lab to worry about, gene's that havn't been activated for very long periods of time that could have very unknown effects if activated and these guys could activate them on purpose or accident.  We've got plant crops that produce "pesticides" so they don't have to spray them, i mean people who don't see the potential dangers here should really think twice.  and again these are companys based on profit running around messing with our priceless genetic codes, changing them forever in the name of money...you should be scared shitless.


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Re: GMOs [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14655558 - 06/22/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:dumbass:

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Re: GMOs [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14657162 - 06/22/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You just won't rest until actual spider babies crawl the earth, will you?

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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14657824 - 06/23/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Would you guys smoke GMW?


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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14658042 - 06/23/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not too long ago a GMO potato field got destroyed here in Belgium.

Stupid hippies :rolleyes:

I'm definetly all for it. Merely by the fact that the science behind it interests me and well the possibilities are seemingly endless although I do think we should still remain moral about it and not overdo it.

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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14659832 - 06/23/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Would you guys smoke GMW?




G-13 breh

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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14659898 - 06/23/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:yesnod:

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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14660515 - 06/23/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, that track was just unlistenable.  But I remember my dude getting "G-13" on the reg back in high school.  I still remember it, consistently sized, orange haired nugs.  Nothing special.  Of course we all know the federal gov't is the most efficient, innovative institution in existence. I wonder if the gov't used fish genes when they made it. 

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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14660812 - 06/23/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This sounds like a bs myth to me.


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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14662184 - 06/23/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah, street level marketing is all.

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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14666500 - 06/24/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Would you guys smoke GMW?



Well, would you look at this silly little headline:

GM marijuana problem growing in Colombia

:facepalm:x1,000

This makes me want to punch Yahoo in the face.  Or AFP(Associated Fucking Press?).

This is not 'GM' marijuana, this is selective breeding. 

And no, selective breeding is not essentially the same thing as rDNA tech :grrr:.

Furthermore, how much of a misnomer is the term "Recombinant DNA" in reference to GM tech??  Recombination happens through normal sexual reproduction.  Calling the laboratory method result "Recombinant DNA" is disingenuous since it makes it seem as if this process is no different then what happens outside of a sterile laboratory.  "Combinant DNA" would be a more appropriate term for this tech.

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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14666547 - 06/24/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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rDNA



you might wanna avoid that term cause its used for something else thats not recombinant DNA.

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Recombination happens through normal sexual reproduction.  Calling the laboratory method result "Recombinant DNA" is disingenuous since it makes it seem as if this process is no different then what happens outside of a sterile laboratory.



They are both recombinant processes/techniques. This is like saying that drugs are crystals and something thats not a drug but is still a crystal (e.g. a mineral) is no longer a crystals since its not a drug. The type of stuff that happens in the lab does not happen outside or at least its very unlikely and if it happens its going to be absolutely random.


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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14666692 - 06/24/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

btw if you treat a bunch of seeds with the spindle poison colchicine you have a low probability (say 0.1%) of obtaining polyploid plantlets. You'll have to screen a shitload of karyotypes until you find the good shit. Clone the polyploid and make an army of uber huge weeds.

This is on my to-do list for when life gets easier at some point :thumbup:

Thats not exactly genetic engineering although Im not sure. Its just a bunch of bullshit semantics that losers with nothing better to do try to twist in order to prove a futile point.


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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14666999 - 06/24/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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They are both recombinant processes/techniques.



Hmm, but couldn't a better distinction be made?  Just as you say I should avoid using rDNA in reference to GM tech because the exact same acronym(and capitalization) are used to refer to ribosomal DNA, the term Recombinant DNA to describe the result of laboratory GM is probelamtic/confusing at best and disingenuous/misleading at worst considering that this exact term has been used much longer to refer to the process that occurs in nature where genetic material from two sexually compatible species RE-COMBINES.  It re-combines because it was already combined in the previous incarntions of the species(parents).  In a lab where they're making these custom DNA sequences, chopping whole bits out like with the terminator tech or adding in genes from one species to a different genome that would never combine in a lab, the term "recombinant DNA" is a bit disingenuous, dontcha think?  It's like they're re-appropriating the term to purposefully obfuscate.

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This is like saying that drugs are crystals and something thats not a drug but is still a crystal (e.g. a mineral) is no longer a crystals since its not a drug.



If I have two crystals, one found in nature and one I made in a lab, would it make sense in the interest of full disclosure to use the exact same technical term to describe them both when I could use different terms to properly distinguish them?  Let's say people were already used to describing the natural crystal with the term "ZCrystal".  Would it make more sense to also term the crystal I made in the lab as "ZCrsytal" or to give it a term to distinguish from one found outside of a lab?  Why not call the one I made in a lab "XCrystal"(unless I was purposefully trying to blur the distinction between a crystal found outside and one made inside a lab)? 

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The type of stuff that happens in the lab does not happen outside or at least its very unlikely and if it happens its going to be absolutely random.



Yes, thank you, I would make the exact same point and this is precisely why it is inaccurate/dishonest to use the same term to describe a DNA result found in nature and one made in a sterile, controlled lab environment.

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Re: GMOs [Re: mellowparty]
    #14667021 - 06/24/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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btw if you treat a bunch of seeds with the spindle poison colchicine you have a low probability (say 0.1%) of obtaining polyploid plantlets. You'll have to screen a shitload of karyotypes until you find the good shit. Clone the polyploid and make an army of uber huge weeds.

This is on my to-do list for when life gets easier at some point :thumbup:




Right, towards your previously stated goal of raping humanity for the lulz?

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Re: GMOs [Re: Viveka]
    #14679786 - 06/27/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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mellowparty said:
btw if you treat a bunch of seeds with the spindle poison colchicine you have a low probability (say 0.1%) of obtaining polyploid plantlets. You'll have to screen a shitload of karyotypes until you find the good shit. Clone the polyploid and make an army of uber huge weeds.

This is on my to-do list for when life gets easier at some point :thumbup:




Right, towards your previously stated goal of raping humanity for the lulz?



lol, its not humanity, just the US. I'm not sure if you're from the US but I gotta break it to ya US=/=humanity. Thats where the FDA, DEA, TSA, CIA, FBI etc etc are. So yea fuck the USA!


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