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True Will
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True Will is a term found within the mystical system of Thelema, a religion founded in 1904 with Aleister Crowley's writing of The Book of the Law. It is defined at times as a person's grand destiny in life, and at other times as a moment to moment path of action that operates in perfect harmony with Nature. This Will does not spring from conscious intent, but from the interplay between the deepest Self and the entire Universe. Thelemites in touch with their True Will have eliminated or bypassed their false desires, conflicts, and habits, and accessed their connection with the divine. Theoretically, at this point, the Thelemite acts in alignment with Nature, just as a stream flows downhill, with neither resistance nor "lust of result."
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giza


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So I'm getting that true will is another way to say what you really want, and they figured out what you 'should' desire or what a 'valid' desire is. And 'lust of result' would mean they no longer waste time waiting for something to happen they just let it happen, correct?
If this is true then we must then find what we should "Truly Desire".. I can think of a few..
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Re: True Will [Re: giza]
#14645783 - 06/20/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't a person have to create a purpose in order to have a purpose? And what is our deepest self?
Also wouldn't a 'false' desire be wanting the will of another being to differ from it's own? Such as 'wanting' a person to 'like' you?
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Re: True Will [Re: giza]
#14645851 - 06/20/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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giza said: And what is our deepest self?
A part of us outside of space and time. The New Age Higher Self, the Occultist's Holy Guardian Angel, Socrates' Daimon, etc.
I see it as being in line with the path your soul intended you to travel in this life. It's also in the "Be Here Now" sense of living in the moment, which is the connection you have to this source within. I also see the lacking of a "lust of result" in the Buddhist sense of not being attached to the outcome.
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A person's life unfolds like the patterned growth of a fern, or the ripening of a fruit.
You can hide from it, try and control it, or not try to control it, but every step is a process that was already intended in your being. It's not pre-destination because there is no 'self' to pre-determine. It's not free will, because the ideas of "free" and "human will" are just other leaves on the big tree, which is not confined to concepts.
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giza


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So I guess you can't really go off your true path no matter what you do, like many paths can lead to a certain destination, no matter what path you take the destination will always be the same.
So it would pretty much be finding contentment and then becoming truly content.
Edited by giza (06/21/11 12:35 AM)
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Re: True Will [Re: giza] 1
#14646680 - 06/21/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I very much do not like Aleister Crowley at ALL!! I am well aware of his popularity in popular culture, even the Beatles had him on the album covers, so he is considered 'cool', but I say watch OUT!!
Lately I have been looking into his story, and my fears were confirmed. Understand that he was from a very wealthy and repressive family, so he was a totally spoilt and selfish brat and damaged and bitter. He rebelled against 'good religion'. I put it in commas because I personally believe that so called 'good religion' is the very fuel that feeds the 'satanic archetype'. Ie., the 'rebel' rebels against what he believes is 'goodness' and so goes and embraces 'evil'.
Now in a documentary I saw about him, the actor playing him says that for him the ultimate magickal rite would be the rape and murder of a young woman who then would be cut up into 9 pieces, and on each piece would be written the name of a god!
Now THAT is truly sick serial killer talk glorified into a religion, isn't it, and this connecting such sadistic murderous with magick is reminiscent, is it not, with certain events that have been right up close in our face in years past. 9/11, 7/7??
There has been a book published, called Secret Agent 666: Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult, by Richard B. Spence who claims Crowley close links with Intelligence, MI5 and MI6, and that he was a major part of the false flag attack on the Lusitana which brought the U.S into WW1.
Also his connections with 9/11 and the London Bombings; the very date of the London Bobings were 7th July 2005 which numerologically add up to 777 and this number heads a title of a book on magick by Crowley 777 And Other Qabalistic Writings Of Aleister Crowley, Including Gemetria & Sepher Sephiroth
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This is a Textbook on Gematria, (the Spiritual Essence of the Numerical Value of Words, Names, or even General Phrases). This is Not a book for the Dabbler in the Occult Sciences but a Reference Book on Kabbalah,(Qabalah), the Tree of Life and the Magical Alphabet!
The affirmation from his 'dictated' Book of the Law of 'Do What Thou Wilt..." Can we not see how eager the selfish depraved minds of the elite would embrace such a greenlight, sanctioned by their prophet and his 'Book of Law', to do what the HELL they like? No guilt, responsibility, empathy, just the Will to Power. Not that they had before, but this is just ongoing beliefs on their part which absolve them of guilt for the evil they do--at least on the surface.
Now listen to this from that same book:
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The Book of the Law Here are a few interesting excerpts
II,21: We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.
From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter II
III,7: I will give you a war-engine.
III,8: With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you.
III,12: Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a child.
III,18: Mercy let be off: damn them who pity! Kill and torture; spare not; be upon them!
From: Liber AL vel Legis - Chapter III
Is this not the mindset of the occultist elite?
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The Whale said: A person's life unfolds like the patterned growth of a fern, or the ripening of a fruit.
You can hide from it, try and control it, or not try to control it, but every step is a process that was already intended in your being. It's not pre-destination because there is no 'self' to pre-determine. It's not free will, because the ideas of "free" and "human will" are just other leaves on the big tree, which is not confined to concepts.
Are you saying we do not have free will or determinism? Or does it fall somewhere in between? I find your concept interesting - I'm just having trouble understanding it.
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Re: True Will [Re: zzripz]
#14647380 - 06/21/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zzripz said: Is this not the mindset of the occultist elite?
Personally, I like to go by the ideas and what they mean to me - not by judging the messenger. Crowley's questionable character was well known - He was human like the rest of us. Taking a few select passages out of an entire book most likely leads to taking it out of context.
IMO, if your true to yourself and your own ideals, such as compassion, you are essentially fighting the good fight on the front lines against "the occultist elite."
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I like that true will is defined as grand destiny because destiny implies having no will, which means will-less surrender is the only option, thine not mine.
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Mine not thine? Or did you mean something else?
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I said 'thine not mine' as in 'thy will be done' 
Mine, thine, same thing anyway
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Yeah I heard you, you said mine and not yours.
I think it's a damn good idea.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Love is the law, love under will.
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The term 'true will' is not found in liber al. 'Pure will' is noted within I,44 however, as "for pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect." But i'll postulate an idea of what is meant by true will presently.
Omniverse(nu, implicate chaos) is all and nothing. Everything is true and nothing is true under the night of pan.
"For i am divided for love's sake, for the sake of union" I,29
And thus begat the universes(realized explicate) which together form the multiverse. But is not the multiverse omniverse? Nay, for the former is formed under the direction of because to the falsehood of order. Therein is love pitted against restriction.
It is said that the discovery of the true will coincides with that of attainment of the knowledge and conversation with the holy guardian angel(or e.c.c.o., or the higher self as said by cosmonaut). And as cosmonaut also said, these are forms outside of space and time, and any such order really. Verily is this an indication that these are not forms of the multiverse, but realizations of omniverse divided "for love's sake, for the chance of union" of one and none.
Thus the discovery of the true will, also in accord with 'pure will' as "the perfect and the perfect are one perfect and not two; nay, are none!" I,45 , necessitates the transcendence of because(order) to unchain love from restriction and truth from reason.
It is said that "nothing is true, everything is permitted". Verily so in the multiverse, but this is also a blind as 'above'(verticallity being only a distinction of convenience) the abyss is everything nothing and thus true.
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