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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: thebeesknees]
    #14666836 - 06/24/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

That's exactly what I mean. Do pans like drier conditions? I basically gave advice for automating your setup lol

Man truthfully if I were to try pans in a monotub. I would make 2" holes. stuffed with polyfil to where its barely clinging on. Maybe drill some smaller holes in the bottom like a SGFC and raise your modified SG/Mono off the floor so that air can go through the bottom. I'd add perlite to my sub to make it more airy and try to keep the substrate depth shallow to avoid any packing.

I'd set up a fan in the room to constantly blow air indirectly at the mono. And manually mist if they like drier conditions.


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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wing]
    #14666996 - 06/24/11 06:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck im dieing to grow some cyan's.

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: stankdank] * 1
    #14668461 - 06/24/11 11:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I grow pans now, i grew cubes for about 2 months go bored moved onto these. I first made agar plates around 10 different ones, 2 lost to contam other's i isolated 3 times per plate, i then made a LC with an agar wedge and put a piece into the wbs jar. pan myc is fragile but i shook my jars like there was no tomorrow and the recovered perfectly fine.

As for depths im using aluminium trays which are about 1.5inch depth in total, ive heard people say pan myc eat the trays im yet to see this happen and yet to see any form of decomposition against them.

I use a PMP for my fruiting chamber, pumps running 24/7, the lid of my pmp has 4  35cm strips of SMD5050 LED strip's, running on a 12/12 cycle. I am currently in winter so my room drops pretty drastically so i have a submersible aquarium heater in my pmp to create a more "tropical" environment thou i have not used it much lately but i cycle it now and then when i remember.

The trays them selves are prepared with aged horse manure, verm. Pasteurized  for 2 hours, once the jars are ready they are spawned into the trays covered with foil and holes poked in the top with micropore tape covering them. I currently have 6 trays incubating its been a bit slow due to the heat but they're almost ready to be cased with a thin layer of peat moss/fine verm/coir coir. This is left for 24/48 hours then placed into the FC mist like theres no tomorrow let the top layer absorb as much as it can dont water log it. Leave it and keep it reasonably moist, when you see pins stop. And you should see fruits.

First flush, while the yield wasnt amazing i was still happy with the result some fruits are better than none.


Second flush, they look better formed but obviously not as many and the sub look a bit mangled from the initial flushes pickings.



I think my yield for my first time was due to my casing layer it was rather thick so my next few trays will have a much thinner layer applied, and i will wait longer i only waited 12 hours with this tray i will wait 48 this time.

Edited by semaphore (06/24/11 11:40 PM)

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: semaphore]
    #14668722 - 06/25/11 01:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Use a shotgun mono hybrid if your going to do bigger subs of pans as it has the best FAE.

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #14668796 - 06/25/11 01:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was planing on some pans cyan growing, however, it would now seem that pans cambo is more potent so I may try that instead. Is there any reason, aside from potency, that you would grow one instead of the other?

Is damion5050 coir tek suitable for pans or do I have to use straw/poo?

I really want to do a monotub, do pans need a casing layer?

Im rather experienced with agar work by this point, within this thread Iv heard that isolation isnt suitable for pans. Why not simply isolate down to 6 different monocultures and save them in cultubes with strict labeling procedures. Use each of the strains to colonize a grain jar and make that into a casing. The casing that performs the best will be used from then on. Alternatively couldnt you clone the fastest growing pans?

Assuming some of you have managed to get pans on agar, how long do pans take? By that I mean, if you were to make a grain master and use that via G2G to make 10 other jars(which usually takes less than 5 days for me once I have performed the G2G using cubes) how long?

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14668826 - 06/25/11 01:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to grow cambo's aswell, but from potency point of view, cyans are still pretty fucking strong.

They are a dung species so a coir only substrate will not be that viable, not sure if anyone has tried thou.

I saw growth on my agar plates within the first 4/5 days

first plate:



isolate of the above plate:

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: semaphore]
    #14668865 - 06/25/11 02:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Not coir only, coir/verm(if thats what you mean, if not my bad:ohwell:). I thought that coir/verm was a viable substitute for poo, considering cubes are a dung loving species which grow just fine on coir/verm :confused2:

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14668894 - 06/25/11 02:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

coir+verm does not have the beneficial bacteria/minerals that pans need. You can try if you want but i doubt they would fruit.

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: semaphore]
    #14668924 - 06/25/11 02:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

maybe use cow manure as supplement ?, since it turns almost in to dirt when water is added .


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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: semaphore]
    #14668952 - 06/25/11 02:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe Ill just do some trays, still wondering if pans need casings

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14668964 - 06/25/11 02:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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prismism said:
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I know for a fact that mono's dont work too well for pans




Check your facts, because people do it, and there's no reason not to. I made a few monotubs for my first attempt at pan cambos, and it turned out fine. If you have a martha then I would use it, but you don't need one.



I never sd it wont work but why would u suggest an impractical tek for a noob?  One that many exp[eoirenced gropwers have failed at?  You go chk your facts and find out that many more ppl have failed than succeded with mono's of pans?




What's hard about a pan monotub? I just did a few that I didn't set up any different than I would have for cubes. Easy, no contams, nothing.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14570978

I even made two uncased minitubs just to show how easy it is.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14576636


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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14669112 - 06/25/11 05:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe Ill just do some trays, still wondering if pans need casings




yes they do, usually  peat/verm/gypsum/hydrated lime


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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14669187 - 06/25/11 05:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I grow pans now, i grew cubes for about 2 months go bored moved onto these. I first made agar plates around 10 different ones, 2 lost to contam other's i isolated 3 times per plate, i then made a LC with an agar wedge and put a piece into the wbs jar. pan myc is fragile but i shook my jars like there was no tomorrow and the recovered perfectly fine.

As for depths im using aluminium trays which are about 1.5inch depth in total, ive heard people say pan myc eat the trays im yet to see this happen and yet to see any form of decomposition against them.

I use a PMP for my fruiting chamber, pumps running 24/7, the lid of my pmp has 4  35cm strips of SMD5050 LED strip's, running on a 12/12 cycle. I am currently in winter so my room drops pretty drastically so i have a submersible aquarium heater in my pmp to create a more "tropical" environment thou i have not used it much lately but i cycle it now and then when i remember.

The trays them selves are prepared with aged horse manure, verm. Pasteurized  for 2 hours, once the jars are ready they are spawned into the trays covered with foil and holes poked in the top with micropore tape covering them. I currently have 6 trays incubating its been a bit slow due to the heat but they're almost ready to be cased with a thin layer of peat moss/fine verm/coir coir. This is left for 24/48 hours then placed into the FC mist like theres no tomorrow let the top layer absorb as much as it can dont water log it. Leave it and keep it reasonably moist, when you see pins stop. And you should see fruits.

First flush, while the yield wasnt amazing i was still happy with the result some fruits are better than none.


Second flush, they look better formed but obviously not as many and the sub look a bit mangled from the initial flushes pickings.



I think my yield for my first time was due to my casing layer it was rather thick so my next few trays will have a much thinner layer applied, and i will wait longer i only waited 12 hours with this tray i will wait 48 this time.



The myc will eat thru the al foil trays.  It happens to me all the time
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I was planing on some pans cyan growing, however, it would now seem that pans cambo is more potent so I may try that instead. Is there any reason, aside from potency, that you would grow one instead of the other?

Is damion5050 coir tek suitable for pans or do I have to use straw/poo?

I really want to do a monotub, do pans need a casing layer?

Im rather experienced with agar work by this point, within this thread Iv heard that isolation isnt suitable for pans. Why not simply isolate down to 6 different monocultures and save them in cultubes with strict labeling procedures. Use each of the strains to colonize a grain jar and make that into a casing. The casing that performs the best will be used from then on. Alternatively couldnt you clone the fastest growing pans?

Assuming some of you have managed to get pans on agar, how long do pans take? By that I mean, if you were to make a grain master and use that via G2G to make 10 other jars(which usually takes less than 5 days for me once I have performed the G2G using cubes) how long?



Coir or coir/verm will not work with pans you need manure you can add some coir to it but you need to use the :poop: man and you do need a casing layer

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14669409 - 06/25/11 07:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well like i said i have not seen any eating of my trays, and my trays are going through their third flush now. Tray integrity is still 100% perhaps my trays are more durable :shrug:

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: semaphore]
    #14669437 - 06/25/11 08:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Well like i said i have not seen any eating of my trays, and my trays are going through their third flush now. Tray integrity is still 100% perhaps my trays are more durable :shrug:



Yea that could be it.  I buy cheap trays for this.  3 for a buck with lids

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14669850 - 06/25/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
Maybe Ill just do some trays, still wondering if pans need casings




yes they do, usually  peat/verm/gypsum/hydrated lime



Now Im even more confused because CA said uncased worked fine for him:
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I even made two uncased minitubs just to show how easy it is.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14576636




In any case, Iv only done d5050 coir tek thusfar for monos. Which teks do you guys use to prepare your poo?

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14669915 - 06/25/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Wise Toad said:
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eLShaMukO said:
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Wise Toad said:
Maybe Ill just do some trays, still wondering if pans need casings




yes they do, usually  peat/verm/gypsum/hydrated lime



Now Im even more confused because CA said uncased worked fine for him:
Quote:

CaptainAhab said:
I even made two uncased minitubs just to show how easy it is.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14576636




In any case, Iv only done d5050 coir tek thusfar for monos. Which teks do you guys use to prepare your poo?



I dont think too many ppl get good results if any with uncased cyans:shrug:

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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14670544 - 06/25/11 01:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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UnnamedGrower said:
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Wise Toad said:
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eLShaMukO said:
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Wise Toad said:
Maybe Ill just do some trays, still wondering if pans need casings




yes they do, usually  peat/verm/gypsum/hydrated lime



Now Im even more confused because CA said uncased worked fine for him:
Quote:

CaptainAhab said:
I even made two uncased minitubs just to show how easy it is.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14576636




In any case, Iv only done d5050 coir tek thusfar for monos. Which teks do you guys use to prepare your poo?



I dont think too many ppl get good results if any with uncased cyans:shrug:




Try it out for yourself and see. They don't need a casing. It's actually pretty cool watchin' it grow like a cube.

In my tubs, the most dense patches of growth came on the sides, where there was no casing, at all. And in the mini-tubs, well, they weren't cased at all.

In fact, you could say that both my tubs and mini-tubs were experiments. I wanted to test out the monotub idea, since it was so easy, as well as having a ZERO maintenance mini-tub that I completely neglected. Seriously, I walked around the house with the mini-tub, never misted it, didn't give it a lot of FAE, no casing, etc. The pans said "fuck you, I'm growing, anyways."


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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14670591 - 06/25/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Seriously, I walked around the house with the mini-tub, never misted it, didn't give it a lot of FAE, no casing, etc. The pans said "fuck you, I'm growing, anyways."





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Re: first pan cyan grow [Re: Wing]
    #14670707 - 06/25/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Captain Ahab do you have the recipe of what you spawned your pans to and what type of p[ans were they?

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