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Offlineakira_akuma
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Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value
    #14645518 - 06/20/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I mean who doesn't need more of that, am I right?


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Re: Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14647933 - 06/21/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What do you mean? 'empirical' values are often identified as 'scientific' values...


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Re: Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14649470 - 06/21/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

evidence isn't everything. that's a mistake, i think. evidence is good for what it's worth... but the "proof" is in the pudding as the saying goes. to experiment and break down isn't the only calling for scientific minds. in fact consolidation is what scientists aim to acheive and to do that you have to accept that you have proof certain things...

THIS does not make certain things "untangible" "unknowable" or "useless"

that kinda of practice is illogical. one couldn't be taking into account the evidence that is "knowable" or even to their culture or even what is based on empirical data based on the time of events or thesis; that which hasn't been proven yet doesn't nesscessarily correlate into lack of scientific thesis, its basically the encumberence you fall into looking for only the things that "make sense to you", so to speak...

sorry i am just waking up and have no time to be chatting... i can't really explain well, right now... come in a chat chat chat if you'd like though.


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Re: Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14651640 - 06/21/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Im still not sure I know what you mean.

I can see a difference between pragmatic and scientific values, because in the absence of a good scientific theory, certain beliefs or theories may provide a route for a good life.

But I still don't see how empirical values are seperate to scientific values.

Id say scientific values include valuing empirical evidence as well as using appropriate reasoning to make conclusions from that evidence.


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Re: Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14651672 - 06/21/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
I mean who doesn't need more of that, am I right?




If by empirical you mean 'if something is fun twice, it must be fun', then yes I agree.:naughty:


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Re: Pragmatic, empirical, non-scientific value [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14651988 - 06/22/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Noteworthy said:
Im still not sure I know what you mean.

I can see a difference between pragmatic and scientific values, because in the absence of a good scientific theory, certain beliefs or theories may provide a route for a good life.

But I still don't see how empirical values are seperate to scientific values.

Id say scientific values include valuing empirical evidence as well as using appropriate reasoning to make conclusions from that evidence.



right. thanks for clearing up that confusion. :strokebeard:


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