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Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?)
    #1464803 - 04/16/03 07:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So, I happened upon this guide here , and wondered if any of you have a friend of a friend who's tried this before. To my understanding, the chemical make-up of mycelium is such that one could not trip from it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in P. Cubensis psilocin and psilocybin form only in pins and fruiting bodies.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: tracered]
    #1464865 - 04/16/03 08:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

mycelium will contain sugnificantly higher amounts of actives AFTER pinning/fruiting. obviously the fruitbodies themselves contain higher concentrations than the mycelia.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: debianlinux]
    #1464934 - 04/16/03 08:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

But do they contain actives BEFORE pinning/ fruiting?


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: tracered]
    #1464998 - 04/16/03 09:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

very, very little. not worth the trouble.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: ]
    #1465006 - 04/16/03 09:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

enough to get busted for if your state doesnt alow that that stage of "active" mushrooms


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1465066 - 04/16/03 09:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

damn i was going to do that, maybe i should just leave it in the jars till it starts to or tries to fruit theirfor making the chemicals potent in the mycelium...Does this make any sence?


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: Nah]
    #1465079 - 04/16/03 09:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

nah, not really a good idea. you've pretty much got to fruit it.

this might interest you though: Sclerotia


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: ]
    #1465123 - 04/16/03 09:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im not to fimilar with strains but i got f+ and allen, are any of these that mexican kind?


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: Nah]
    #1465149 - 04/16/03 10:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

P. mexicana is a different species than P. cubensis. it forms sclerotia. P. cubensis does not. if you want to try out sclerotia, you'll need to order P. mexicana spores.

'cubensis' and 'mexicana' are different species of the genus 'psilocybe'

'f+' and 'allen' are different cultivars (aka strains, aka races) of the species 'cubensis'.

for sclerotia, you need P. mexicana, preferably the "A" strain.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: ]
    #1465386 - 04/16/03 11:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok so then i cant be lazy and just grow mycelium, i need to fruit it too, takes longer but i guess its worth it


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: Nah]
    #1465415 - 04/16/03 11:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes definately worth it.  :wink:

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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: TekNut]
    #1465617 - 04/17/03 12:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

umm very very worth it. It really doesnt take that long, sclerotia will take about 3 months or so to do.. but absolutly no hassle, no fruiting at all just store it in a dark place somewhere and forget about it. If u are interested, it will require to do rye grass seeds.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1465712 - 04/17/03 12:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Of course its worth it...the only part of growing mushies thats a pain in the ass is getting the jars to colonize, after that you pop em' in a terrarium and a few days later your pickin' em'!


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: GoodOlBattonAss]
    #1465768 - 04/17/03 01:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Of course its worth it...the only part of growing mushies thats a pain in the ass is getting the jars to colonize, after that you pop em' in a terrarium and a few days later your pickin' em'! 




Hmm, my friend has had exactly the opposite problem as a newbie grower. He hasn't lost more that 2 of 24 jars to contams, and thats with only steam semi-sterilization. He hasn't been able to get his cakes to fruit, though, and his casing still isn't fruiting either.  :frown: Life goes on, and he just invested in a better thermometer, and is looking for a decent hygrometer. Everything else is perfect, and he thought he had those nailed down too. Maybe he'll have some luck in the near future.

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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: tracered]
    #1466084 - 04/17/03 02:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Patience is a virture and although knowledge is power, only time can make one wise.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: tracered]
    #1466093 - 04/17/03 03:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>But do they contain actives BEFORE pinning/ fruiting?

Enough to trip of it, as described in the guide above.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: tracered]
    #1466105 - 04/17/03 03:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Some guy had the same problem too, it was impossible for him to get them to fruit but colonization was simple and low contam rate and never had a contaminated syringe. The problem was his terrarium, it was too small and co2 wasn't vented enough. He got a larger terrarium and bingo, shrooms :smile: air exchange is probably the most important thing with cakes. 


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: Mushroom_X]
    #1470345 - 04/18/03 02:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm im getting mixed reports, Anno saying you can trip and mushmaster saying you cant. I did some research on those sclerotia and i have decided to try them but now what am i going to do with the F+ and Allen i got from Roadkill....Maybe 1/2 1/2. 1/2 of my jars will be for casing and the other half will be for Sclerotia formation. But now Anno says you can trip from just mycelium growth. Excuse me as my newbie mind cant handle the possibilities.


Ohh and of course this is a friend and not myself who is writing this....Yea thats it.


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Re: Chemical make-up of mycelium (sp?) [Re: Nah]
    #1470442 - 04/18/03 02:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

you can indeed trip from mycelium. it's been tried with varying degrees of success. it requires that the mycelium be very mature too. you can let a cake colonize for 4 weeks, birth it, and then let it fruit for 2 weeks and have enough mushroom for 2 trips, or you can let a jar sit for 8 weeks and maybe have enough mycelium to extract enough psiloc(yb)in for half a trip.

it can be done, but it's not worth it.

and if you want to grow sclerotia, you'll need a sclerotia-forming species like P. mexicana, not cubensis.

i suggest you use your jars this way: fruit most of them as cakes. take one or two and use a cheese grater to grate in into some pasteurized poo and\or straw, then let that colonize and case it. or more simply you could just case a couple crumbled cakes.


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