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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #6456350 - 01/13/07 05:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Both of those examples are psychedelic midunderstanding. I agree with you completely. There are as many variations as you can think of, of "the fear." They all end with the universe being nothing more than a blind machine or fool turning out endless things that mean nothing, basically a cosmic overload. Once you can kind of see the mechanism, you can really get a grip on, "the fear." It is kind of silly really, when you see a mind bent on paranoia going over its own edge.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #6456742 - 01/13/07 09:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd say a 'bad' trip on cactus would be like "Oh my god this is too much!" grasping your face as it melts into the floor.

It can be physicaly and emotional overwhelming, but I don't think you really get negative thought loops or serious inability to handle your emotions.

Mescaline does not release seratonin like MDMA does. Mescaline, like LSD, Psilocybin and its closer cousins 2c-b, 2c-i and 2c-t-7 resembles seratonin and psyches out a certain type of receptor called 5-htp2a. With the false signal of seratonin being present parts of the brain become disinhibited.

MDMA affects a different seratonin receptor 5-htp1b (I believe), gets sucked up into the axon where the seratonin is stored and is like a seratonin enema that tells the cell to release large amounts into the synapse.

Very different, but many have commented that they do have somewhat of a similar feeling.




That was a very clear and concise summary there.  :thumbup:




I second this....and i find that too much can gaurentee a "bad trip" for me especially with lsd....i also found out its bad to tell people you have bad trips cause some think its funny to find ways to mess with you and make it worse...ive had plenty of "bad trips" due to so called "friends" getting a kick out of me freaking out and running away trying to find a way out....but i think "bad trips" are just learning experiences as well cause usually its your mind telling you your own faults and i geuss your ego is trying to denie it but cant do to ego loss....one time i ate 7 hits of mr clean paper and found myself falling down a flight of stairs then laying on the carpet in the spare room screaming i dont want to trip no more while yelling at the walls all my problems kicking, screaming, crying, and laughing all at the same time...yes very scary but i learned a few things about being irresponsible that nite....especially since i took it on a bad day with nobody there but me and a room mate that locked his door and passed out on zanax because he didnt want to deal with my trippin ass....and yes thats the same mr clean paper that you see in my avatar...that was 20 hits i got almost a year ago and ive done acid 2 more times since then and its been 2 out of 3 bad trips ....so i stick to pea rc's or shrooms which seems to be more forgiving...this is a reason im afraid to try dmt or dob...even though i want to i dont want anymore experiences that intensely frightning.....the second bad trip i had was more lately i ate 4 hits of L with some friends almost a month ago and somebody called us up and was like you want to go see dj irene at the lizard lounge its free after 10 so we all jumped in the truck flying on acid went all the way to dallas and as soon as i got in the club i thought people were screwing with me walking by saying keywords and somebody was wearing a shirt that said smoke weed not speed and dancing right in front of me which seemed on purpose and it wasnt too long b4 that i smoked some speed with a room mate and freeked out on it...well come to find out these people really were screwing with me and were friends of the dude i was living with at the time cause they thought i was a big joke and that kid was wearing that shirt on purpose...basically i spent the whole nite wanting to leave having my head barried in my girls tits wishing i could just leave ....but we all wanted to see dj irene real bad so nobody would leave to bring me home even with me having as bad of an experience as i was..im also not a big trance fan while trippin...im use to mercury rev, tool, pink floyd or other mellow rock...spytrance is alright but electronic doesnt do me unless im on x....so my girl and i went to sit in the truck so i can catch my breath and eventually we left and missed irene cause my friend said it got boring after we left cause there was nobody he knew there....all and all try not to do too much if you have a weak mind or your having a bad day or in the wrong setting because it will eat you alive...


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Asante]
    #6456883 - 01/13/07 10:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if it's worth differentiating between different parts of the trip. I find the come-up somewhat anxious, and if I would have problems it would be then. Once I'm gliding along in the right setting, I'm fine.

I think there are some recurring themes here that people who take too much, don't feel good about themselves, and find themselves in the wrong setting with unfriendly surroundings have bad trips.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Fixer]
    #6457018 - 01/13/07 11:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

my mesc trips have been really positive and great learning experiances.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! *DELETED* [Re: BlindLemon]
    #14640885 - 06/20/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: ButtFace]
    #14640912 - 06/20/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Mescaline from cactus to me, has a very, very strong and positive feeling body fuck that is like MDMA, but even greater.  I get the same 'want to talk, I love everything' feeling.  The difference is, Mescaline, especially at higher doses, also gives strong 5HT2-a serotonin receptor agonism, as well as dopamine release.  This causes and acid-like head-fuck/visuals BUT, because mescaline is slow to cross the blood-brain barrier, it fucks you up slowly.  It also binds strongly to 5HT-3 and makes you puke. 

The result is less anxiety than acid, a weaker trip, but it lasts longer.  Cactus generally contains a lot of different PEAs, not only mescaline but also Tyramine et. al.  Most of the chemicals are considered non-active, however, some PEAs in cactus have found to be MAOI's, and they cause a synergistic action with the various (usually non-active) PEA's in cactus. 

The result is an extreme body fuck with euphoria and moderate acid-like visuals.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: ButtFace]
    #14641997 - 06/20/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there nausea from the HCL like there is the "drink?" P.S. I know how old this thread is.




Yes, but not as bad. (I haven't puked from the tar extract or the HCl salt.)

Only done mescaline a handful of times.
The high itself is very forgiving in terms of having a bad trip IME.
This is why I always recommend it as a first timer's psychedelic. (Plus it's quasi-legal.)

The only problem I could foresee would be if a person was not prepared to trip for 12+ hours and recover for even longer.

To me though, this is the best part.
It gives you plenty of time to get down to the nitty gritty, think about what you have to think about it, and so on.
With no worries of coming down out of your "window of opportunity" (so to speak).


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14642043 - 06/20/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Once i do bridgesii tar on Saturday i will be able to say ive done every classic psychedelic. A day i have awaited for many years.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Connoisseur]
    #14642135 - 06/20/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the thing about a mescaline trip, I think if you would freak it would be at the late peak, because it is so strong, and protracted.  It can get almost too much to bear.


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Asante]
    #14642172 - 06/20/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Over 10.000  :wink:




OMG over 10,000! Thats over 9,000!


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Asante]
    #14644973 - 06/20/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've never had a particularly bad trip. I've definitely had confusing and/or weird moments at the higher doses, though (especially with Bridgesii).


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Re: Bad trips on mescaline and cactus! [Re: Remix]
    #14645313 - 06/20/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes bad trips can happen on mescaline and mescaline containing cacti.

I have seen it happen twice. One was mental/anxiety oriented and the other was somatic.

The latter may have genuinely been a physically negative reaction to the cactus an not rooted in psychology (as many somatic issues are on psychedelics).

The first one was a girl I had known since high school, who was an extreme christian for most of the time I knew her - she also had a very messed up family. She came to visit after a couple years of college and had somewhat rejected her religious upbringing, was seeing a psychiatrist, and was very interested in other forms of spirituality. She had even had a good experience on mushrooms recently.

My friend and I brewed up some san pedro, as we liked to do in those days, and drank it with her. For the first three hours, she was in a somewhat delirious state - reviewing the entire history of her ego. She had weight issues in middle school, issues with her parents through most of her teenage life, mistrust of the 'secular world' as instilled by the extremely manipulative church she attended, and a host of other issues which came out on us one by one.

It was actually pretty healthy for her, because we were very accepting and willing to listen to her issues (we were taking SP every week or so, so it wasn't a big deal to us...) while also offering her a somewhat healthy outlook on the situation. We were very worried the entire time that things would turn out very badly, as she started crying more than once - but around hour 3, the mescaline started to peak. It was obvious that the bodily discomfort that characterizes the first few hours of the cactus experience had subsided, and we were now in the throes of cactus euphoria.

We spent the rest of the night talking and laughing, and everything was fine. The next morning, as she told us later, she went to our home town and waited outside her church for her old youth pastor. She gave him a big piece of her mind about brainwashing teenagers with fear tactics in front of a good deal of that sunday's turnout. I wish I could have seen that! She's a christian again now, and kind of boring.... that was a fun night though.

The second bad san pedro experience I can relate is from another girl. She was the girlfriend of a buddy of mine who wanted to try the cactus and needed someone to show him how to prepare it. We cooked it all night, and I think 9 people ended up drinking some (we had 11 cuttings). This girl did not vomit, though some people did, but she said she had the worst stomach pains of her life. The pain tormented her for the entire 8-12 hours of the experience and overshadowed any psychedelic effects that may have happened. We were all worried, but her boyfriend kept an eye on her the whole night, and it kind of seemed like she was being a little overdramatic about the situation (she was known to be a bit of a drama queen, like proclaiming once on mushrooms "I'm done with this. I want this trip to be over NOW!") She was fine, but never tried cactus, or any other psychedelic, ever again. I feel bad for the guy though, as he really liked psychs, and now they are married and he never trips.


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