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Invisiblemoonrockmushy
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Re: astronomers i need help [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14668907 - 06/25/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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that tinfoil hat shit is derogatory. it's like calling someone a nigger or spick.


:smirk: I think that might be taking it a bit far.  Someone's race has nothing to do with their beliefs, and just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they hate you.

I agree that you shouldn't trust authority, and I myself have some pet theories that many would consider 'fringe', but the whole frustration with the 'tin foil hat' people is their inherent distrust of anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. They do not take the time to actually find out where the other side is coming from, so even if they are right, they end up looking ridiculous, crazy even.  MLB controlling your mind with satellites, hey aluminium foil works too and make sure it is at least four layers thick! :ooo:


The fact that you are seeking out alternative answers to these questions is good, you are well on the way to being a bonafide skeptic, see its not like calling you a racial slur, I was once a tin foil hatter and look at me now, I own a telescope :thumbup:

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i am also sufficiently sure the current seeming climate change isn't caused by Nibiru, and not by CO2. Worship the Sun.




So what is your theory on why the Earth is warming?  I'm assuming you're onto the whole HAARP thing by now?

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Invisiblelinkamathingy
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Re: astronomers i need help [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #14669509 - 06/25/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

natural climate change. i'm actually not convinced that there is a warming trend. here's a site i've read a little of recently: http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/

haarp is weird. it's supposed to be based on tesla death ray technology but i haven't researched it well enough to say what it can and can't do.


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Re: astronomers i need help [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #14669696 - 06/25/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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linkamathingy said:
authority isn't infallible,




Has anyone challenged this position, or is this just a strawman your beating up on since you dislike diecommie's criticism yet lack a valid reply?

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and authority tends to swing the title around to justify itself. that's probably why people dislike it.




Does it?  I don't know, the papers in the scientific literature are written the same way whether penned by an undergrad or an expert, and often they contain no titles nor information on the author's position- its irrelevant.

What are you basing this off of, can you back it up?  I see far more criticism of this notion than I do any legitimate basis for it.  Seems to me that some just dislike the idea of authority and search out ways to criticize it, valid or not.

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that tinfoil hat shit is derogatory. it's like calling someone a nigger or spick.




So what?

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it's better to trust authority with a grain of salt, than to just outright trust it.




Has anyone argued you should "outright trust it"?  Seems like your putting forth a false choice with an irrelevant alternative.  This isn't helpful.


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moonrockmushy said:
the whole frustration with the 'tin foil hat' people is their inherent distrust of anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. They do not take the time to actually find out where the other side is coming from, so even if they are right, they end up looking ridiculous, crazy even.




That and the fact that they cannot explain their views in light of the available evidence and often through hissyfits if they are asked an inconvieniant question.  Additionally, they seem to be just plain ignorant more times than not, coupled with an astounding level of arrogance that disregards the basis for ideas they don't even understand.  If they at least had a compotent understanding of the areas they are discussing that would be one thing, but often they seem to be unable to understand why existing ideas are held and yet conclude they are invalid based on conjecture and vague allusions to "Fox News", "corporations", and "sheeple".

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Invisiblelinkamathingy
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Re: astronomers i need help [Re: johnm214]
    #14670308 - 06/25/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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linkamathingy said:
authority isn't infallible,




Has anyone challenged this position, or is this just a strawman your beating up on since you dislike diecommie's criticism yet lack a valid reply?

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and authority tends to swing the title around to justify itself. that's probably why people dislike it.




Does it?  I don't know, the papers in the scientific literature are written the same way whether penned by an undergrad or an expert, and often they contain no titles nor information on the author's position- its irrelevant.

What are you basing this off of, can you back it up?  I see far more criticism of this notion than I do any legitimate basis for it.  Seems to me that some just dislike the idea of authority and search out ways to criticize it, valid or not.

Quote:

that tinfoil hat shit is derogatory. it's like calling someone a nigger or spick.




So what?

Quote:


it's better to trust authority with a grain of salt, than to just outright trust it.




Has anyone argued you should "outright trust it"?  Seems like your putting forth a false choice with an irrelevant alternative.  This isn't helpful.


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moonrockmushy said:
the whole frustration with the 'tin foil hat' people is their inherent distrust of anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. They do not take the time to actually find out where the other side is coming from, so even if they are right, they end up looking ridiculous, crazy even.




That and the fact that they cannot explain their views in light of the available evidence and often through hissyfits if they are asked an inconvieniant question.  Additionally, they seem to be just plain ignorant more times than not, coupled with an astounding level of arrogance that disregards the basis for ideas they don't even understand.  If they at least had a compotent understanding of the areas they are discussing that would be one thing, but often they seem to be unable to understand why existing ideas are held and yet conclude they are invalid based on conjecture and vague allusions to "Fox News", "corporations", and "sheeple".




i should go through and quote everything i reply to like you. it's good form and would probably save me answering things later. this thread is getting derailed.

does anybody have any opinions on the pole shift? Some citations? Thanks for any help.


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Anonymous: a group with a name
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