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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633635 - 06/18/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Some people are assholes.  Duh.  Is there anything in those videos that speak to a systemic problem?  No.  Nor did they have anything at all to do with the post you ostensibly responded to.  Name another country that is more free.  Regarding speech the Shroomery is less free than the US.




well you are right about that, if nothing else


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14633648 - 06/18/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i don't think i'm in that thread, i was talking about the two thread i'm in, in this room





I understand, I just don't want to re-post the wall of text threads I made in this thread, and was just saying it'd be easier to read what I said there. but no matter.

I see it one way, when you are poor, and someone else is rich, and the guy complains, he says "quit complaining, and get back to work" ok fair enough

when you are poor, and some rich guy is poor now, and he is complaining, and he wants you to work harder so his world can be more fair even though you don't know him, I feel it's quite fair to say "quit complaining, and get back to work."

fair enough?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: imachavel]
    #14633913 - 06/18/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


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Some people are assholes.  Duh.  Is there anything in those videos that speak to a systemic problem?  No.  Nor did they have anything at all to do with the post you ostensibly responded to.  Name another country that is more free.  Regarding speech the Shroomery is less free than the US.




uh, right off the top of my head,  canada, the UK.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14634909 - 06/18/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Some people are assholes.  Duh.  Is there anything in those videos that speak to a systemic problem?  No.  Nor did they have anything at all to do with the post you ostensibly responded to.  Name another country that is more free.  Regarding speech the Shroomery is less free than the US.




uh, right off the top of my head,  canada, the UK.




Really?  In Canada they have these Human Rights Commissions where you can be hauled before a court for saying that Islamic nutcases are murdering pieces of shit and the government will pay for the prosecution.  In the UK you can be called to libel court for almost nothing and lose the case even if what you say is true and even if you didn't publish the book in the UK.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14634959 - 06/18/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in american the patriot act violates most of the constitution and the bill of rights. you can been held, without being charged or tried for a crime, indefinitely.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14634974 - 06/18/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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in american the patriot act violates most of the constitution and the bill of rights. you can been held, without being charged or tried for a crime, indefinitely.



The Patriot Act doesn't do any such thing, F. Lee.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14635000 - 06/18/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well i have given no more or less proof then u did, but i didn't simply dismiss what you posted as a lie.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14635032 - 06/18/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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well i have given no more or less proof then u did, but i didn't simply dismiss what you posted as a lie.



Which do you doubt?  The Canadian Human Rights Commissions or libel tourism in the UK?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14635071 - 06/18/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i didn't say i doubted either one. what makes you doubt what i posted?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14635098 - 06/18/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What thing?  That the Patriot Act is unconstitutional?  It's been around for quite some time, keeps getting renewed and is still law.  One would think that the fact that it is still the law and has been passed several times now it would seem to be acceptably permissible. Unless one were so arrogant to believe that his sociology degree lends him a particularly pungent, unique, relevant, trenchant, insightful and piercing legal interpretation that has somehow eluded almost all of the actually educated observers.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14635131 - 06/18/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:uhno:

so your just going to insult me instead of proving me wrong or your self right?


:zappa:

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14635448 - 06/18/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:uhno:

so your just going to insult me instead of proving me wrong or your self right?


:zappa:

zappa declares it, it is so.




zappa is never wrong man.

do you doubt that if you are in the army, and that you slander the army constantly, that instead of just being kicked out of the army, that they could hold you in the brig indefinitely? does that seem constitutional, with freedom of speech? funny.

in certain ways, the united states is the best country in the world, the freedom of speech here is profound. only a few other countries have such amendments. I mean, 50 cent brags about how many people he kills in his songs, and says fuck the d.a. and won't go to court with these statements as admissible evidence, because he is using these phrases lyrically. have these things not happened? 2 weeks after he was shot by mike Tyson's former body guard, Mike Tyson's bodyguard was shot. in a song 50 cent claims "see he got hit to, but he aint fucking breathing"

seems pretty interesting that would be admissible evidence in court, 50 cent bragging about a murder. but no way, freedom of speech.


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14636052 - 06/19/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Some people are assholes.  Duh.  Is there anything in those videos that speak to a systemic problem?  No.  Nor did they have anything at all to do with the post you ostensibly responded to.  Name another country that is more free.  Regarding speech the Shroomery is less free than the US.




uh, right off the top of my head,  canada, the UK.




What about not gun bans in the UK, or the cameras all over the country watching people? Maybe you should read about that. hear is some info on how they are free to act in their own self interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#1997_Firearms_Act

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: imachavel]
    #14637011 - 06/19/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what about the fact that u said....

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PileusSonofGalt said:...We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this....




....and when i gave examples of how you where wrong, you brushed it off because "indians didn't understand property rights." and have ignored the point ever since. indian nations were countries, the US invaded them for the land. we tried to hunt the buffalo into extinction to force the plains tribes to change their way of life, we drove the cherokee nation out of their homeland and into the dessert, we drove the dakota out of minnesota because they were defending their own land (recognized as a nation, a country, as their land, by the US gov't)from invading german settlers. these are only a few examples of how your statement is false. are you gonna sight manifest destiny of something? this happened and you claimed it did not. explain.





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imachavel said:zappa is never wrong man.





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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14638024 - 06/19/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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what about the fact that u said....

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PileusSonofGalt said:...We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this....




....and when i gave examples of how you where wrong, you brushed it off because "indians didn't understand property rights." and have ignored the point ever since. indian nations were countries, the US invaded them for the land. we tried to hunt the buffalo into extinction to force the plains tribes to change their way of life, we drove the cherokee nation out of their homeland and into the dessert, we drove the dakota out of minnesota because they were defending their own land (recognized as a nation, a country, as their land, by the US gov't)from invading german settlers. these are only a few examples of how your statement is false. are you gonna sight manifest destiny of something? this happened and you claimed it did not. explain.




What part of "another" country didn't you understand?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14638288 - 06/19/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a treaty can only be made with another nation, or country. native americans didn't get the right to US citizenship until 1924. what part of they where, and are, "another" country don;t you understand?


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14638375 - 06/19/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He understands it all, but nitpicking semantics is his only consolation of being wrong.

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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
    #14638391 - 06/19/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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a treaty can only be made with another nation, or country. native americans didn't get the right to US citizenship until 1924. what part of they where, and are, "another" country don;t you understand?




It's America.  Do you think the Americans invaded the Iroquois Nation?

Just fucking stop.  They weren't another country.  You just called them native Americans.:rofl2:

Of course this was all total distraction and obfuscation from your bullshit in this thread that you got busted on.  Let's start here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14608224#14608224
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or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.




So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!





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i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.




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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Shins]
    #14638447 - 06/19/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mush 4 Brains said:
I am for tax cuts for any reason at any time



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Instead of expiring the bush tax cuts, just makes tax for everyone else 0%



im with these guys... tax cuts DO in fact create jobs its crazy but a fact of life.i think the government needs to be much more efficient before ask for money. you dont go to the bank and get a loan after you lost the money they gave you on your last loan. the gov't thinks there is an unlimited money supply. shit dont work like that.  businesses need to make cuts and what not but gov't doesn't? it does but sorta but the gov't doesnt run itself like a business


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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14638564 - 06/19/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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a treaty can only be made with another nation, or country. native americans didn't get the right to US citizenship until 1924. what part of they where, and are, "another" country don;t you understand?




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It's America.  Do you think the Americans invaded the Iroquois Nation?




i don't 'think' this, it is what happened. as i have said, no-less then 3 times, a treaty can only be made with another nation, so by signing a treaty with an indian tribe, the US gov't was admitting that they are a nation. :facepalm:

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Just fucking stop.  They weren't another country.  You just called them native Americans.:rofl2:




i said "native american's" to indicate people who where here before europeans arrived, and not people from the nation of india. :facepalm:

i will say again that a treaty can only be made with another country, so you are wrong, they where and are another country, just because they didn't have the same formalised gov't as we did made them no-less of a country.

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Of course this was all total distraction and obfuscation from your bullshit in this thread that you got busted on.  Let's start here:

Your bullshit is never ending.





1. zappa, i have stated several historical facts to prove you and others wrong, and you dismiss them with no proof at all. it seems like you are the one making a distraction.

2. the amount of historical facts that i could provide to prove others wrong could be never-ending. you con't to dismiss the truth, the facts, insult others and prove nothing. it's getting very old. this forum should not be called "Political Discussion" it should be called "assholes arguing"


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