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Prisoner#1 said: my point proven yet again
What point?? I have stated why I do not like the way this country is run so many times its not even fun. I may not go too in depth as others but still.
Sorry I did not see your post after you edited the fucking thing.
Fuck the 11% of Americans thats just what Im talking about. People buying right in to it all. If thos numbers are even real.
Why are you hounding me? There facts all out there for everyone to see. The US spends more than any other country on defense is that not true?
im glad "we" read my posts to know my cause. Thank you. Yes we spend tons on defense. your correct. Is there a problem with that?
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I think so. Mainly that we're buried in debt, on the path to hyperinflation and that we get no return from bombs.
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DeadHearts said: If thos numbers are even real.

lol... if those numbers are even real... much like the claim that the military budget is half of the total US budget
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This is a huge fucking problem. We need to turn that money around and keep it within the country instead of investing in wars that we have no business being in.
what exactly is a suitable amount for military spending
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Think of how much that could drastically improve many different issues we have right now within our boarders
what issues within our borders, you mean like the deportation of all the illegal immigrants?
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DeadHearts said: And when our congressmen stand up and say we need to be "repaid for our services" even if that will never happen is infuriating to me Im sorry thats just how I feel 
you make no sense. you say we need to spend less on the military because it's fucking the country yet when something is being said which concerns recouping those expenditures you oppose it
should the police not get paid for doing their job?
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uber_aj said: I think so. Mainly that we're buried in debt, on the path to hyperinflation and that we get no return from bombs. 
buried in dept. shit man so true. Now lets go ahead and get rid of half the welfare liars that we have mmmm k?
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Prisoner#1 said: lol... if those numbers are even real... much like the claim that the military budget is half of the total US budget
Then show us the REAL numbers. I cant imagine is too far off at all.
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Prisoner#1 said: what exactly is a suitable amount for military spending
How the hell am I supposed to know? Thats a bullshit question in that neither you or I are in the position to make a truly accurate amount. Just based on that graph we could easily tone it down to where the UK, China and Russia stand.
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Prisoner#1 said: what issues within our borders, you mean like the deportation of all the illegal immigrants?

I know you hate the illegals That is of course not what I am talking about.
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uber_aj said: I think so. Mainly that we're buried in debt, on the path to hyperinflation and that we get no return from bombs. 
buried in dept. shit man so true. Now lets go ahead and get rid of half the welfare liars that we have mmmm k?
See that is a good point. We could at least drug test the fuckers.
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Those "welfare liars" are less than 3% of our budget (assuming that 50% of people on welfare are just milking it, which is high). Not gonna be enough.
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DeadHearts said: And when our congressmen stand up and say we need to be "repaid for our services" even if that will never happen is infuriating to me Im sorry thats just how I feel 
you make no sense. you say we need to spend less on the military because it's fucking the country yet when something is being said which concerns recouping those expenditures you oppose it
should the police not get paid for doing their job?
Bullshit. How many people and family were ruined to remove a dictator that could have been killed many years earlier. The people did not even ask for our help.
And all the while Iraq was no threat to our homeland whatsoever.
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uber_aj said: Those "welfare liars" are less than 3% of our budget (assuming that 50% of people on welfare are just milking it, which is high). Not gonna be enough.
alright man thanks for the numbers that im blinding assuming your giving are right. lets keep that military budget high
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Prisoner#1 said: what exactly is a suitable amount for military spending
How the hell am I supposed to know? Thats a bullshit question in that neither you or I are in the position to make a truly accurate amount. Just based on that graph we could easily tone it down to where the UK, China and Russia stand.
so wait, too much is being spent on the military but you dont know how much is too much
how much are chinese soldiers paid in relation to US troops? $40/mo, maybe $100/mo, maybe they arent paid at all and are told their time in service should be considered a great honor, the US reimburses civilians for losses sustained from combat, does china do that? hell, is china at war, the US is on a war budget and china isnt, seems that we certainly have a high budget but we're also fighting 2 wars and paying civilians in these countries to repair their homes at the rate it costs in the US giving them a pretty fair settlement... something china certainly isnt doing with their $400bn budget... comparison, that makes our budget about 1/3 of the chinese military budget
the chinese military budget is 2/3 of the us budget, seems your pie chart doesnt reflect the accuracy of real life
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/budget.htm Chinese military expenditure is over $400,000,000,000, nearlyl two thirds that of the United States.
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Prisoner#1 said: what issues within our borders, you mean like the deportation of all the illegal immigrants?

I know you hate the illegals That is of course not what I am talking about.
so would you care to enlighten us on what you are talking about, what issues at home, once again you post superficially and you go after the poster as opposed to discussing the topic
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uber_aj said: Those "welfare liars" are less than 3% of our budget (assuming that 50% of people on welfare are just milking it, which is high). Not gonna be enough.
but welfare/social services exceed the military expenditures, shouldnt that too be fixed, what about those that are collecting welfare and using it to buy drugs, shouldnt that too be fixed
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uber_aj said: I think so. Mainly that we're buried in debt, on the path to hyperinflation and that we get no return from bombs. 
buried in dept. shit man so true. Now lets go ahead and get rid of half the welfare liars that we have mmmm k?
See that is a good point. We could at least drug test the fuckers.
I thought you opposed that kind of shit because it infringes on their freedom to spend our tax dollars on getting high
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Prisoner#1 said: what exactly is a suitable amount for military spending
How the hell am I supposed to know? Thats a bullshit question in that neither you or I are in the position to make a truly accurate amount. Just based on that graph we could easily tone it down to where the UK, China and Russia stand.
so wait, too much is being spent on the military but you dont know how much is too much
how much are chinese soldiers paid in relation to US troops? $40/mo, maybe $100/mo, maybe they arent paid at all and are told their time in service should be considered a great honor, the US reimburses civilians for losses sustained from combat, does china do that? hell, is china at war, the US is on a war budget and china isnt, seems that we certainly have a high budget but we're also fighting 2 wars and paying civilians in these countries to repair their homes at the rate it costs in the US giving them a pretty fair settlement... something china certainly isnt doing with their $400bn budget... comparison, that makes our budget about 1/3 of the chinese military budget
the chinese military budget is 2/3 of the us budget, seems your pie chart doesnt reflect the accuracy of real life
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/budget.htm Chinese military expenditure is over $400,000,000,000, nearlyl two thirds that of the United States.
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Prisoner#1 said: what issues within our borders, you mean like the deportation of all the illegal immigrants?

I know you hate the illegals That is of course not what I am talking about.
so would you care to enlighten us on what you are talking about, what issues at home, once again you post superficially and you go after the poster as opposed to discussing the topic
You can always find a way to twist things into your favor now cant you?
So maybe China was not a good example. You still have not shown us the EXACT numbers as far as the US defense budget. You claim the number I posted are false. Show us why they are false and I will stand down on that issue.
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Prisoner#1 said: so would you care to enlighten us on what you are talking about, what issues at home, once again you post superficially and you go after the poster as opposed to discussing the topic
You brought something totally unrelated into the argument. Thats why you got a faceplam. Simple as that.
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uber_aj said: I think so. Mainly that we're buried in debt, on the path to hyperinflation and that we get no return from bombs. 
buried in dept. shit man so true. Now lets go ahead and get rid of half the welfare liars that we have mmmm k?
See that is a good point. We could at least drug test the fuckers.
I thought you opposed that kind of shit because it infringes on their freedom to spend our tax dollars on getting high
If people need welfare to survive then thats fine. But its not ok to support drug addicts on the governments dime. How based on what I have stated can you come to this conclusion? Stop fucking hounding me for no reason.
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DeadHearts said: You can always find a way to twist things into your favor now cant you?
so posting actual facts is twisting things?
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So maybe China was not a good example. You still have not shown us the EXACT numbers as far as the US defense budget. You claim the number I posted are false. Show us why they are false and I will stand down on that issue.
the proportions of the expenditures are what's false but to state that the actual numbers on the military budget are false I'd need to know what year that was produced in... you dont cite the work, you just post the pics
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Prisoner#1 said: so would you care to enlighten us on what you are talking about, what issues at home, once again you post superficially and you go after the poster as opposed to discussing the topic
You brought something totally unrelated into the argument. Thats why you got a faceplam. Simple as that.
are you saying that illegal immigration is not one of the issues within our borders because as hundreds of millions of americans see it, it is a domestic issue and thus it is directly related to this statement from you
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Prisoner#1 said: the proportions of the expenditures are what's false but to state that the actual numbers on the military budget are false I'd need to know what year that was produced in... you dont cite the work, you just post the pics
Military expenditure, 2010 (without GDP)
1 United States 687,105,000,000 2 China 114,300,000,000 3 France 61,285,000,000 4 UK 57,424,000,000 5 Russia 52,586,000,000 6 Japan 51,420,000,000 7 Germany 46,848,000,000 8 Saudi Arabia 42,917,000,000 9 Italy 38,198,000,000 10 India 34,816,000,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
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Prisoner#1 said: are you saying that illegal immigration is not one of the issues within our borders because as hundreds of millions of americans see it, it is a domestic issue and thus it is directly related to this statement
No I am not saying that at all but there was no reason to bring that into the debate as I did not say anything about it. Its best to stick to a certain few points or this shit is going to get wayy to complicated and jumbled.
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Prisoner#1 said: the proportions of the expenditures are what's false but to state that the actual numbers on the military budget are false I'd need to know what year that was produced in... you dont cite the work, you just post the pics
Military expenditure, 2010 (without GDP)
1 United States 687,105,000,000 2 China 114,300,000,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
they're basing it on the official budgets, the global security link already covers that and also your own citation shows that your charts are inaccurate because if the US budget is under $700bn then obviously the $707bn figure is wrong
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Prisoner#1 said: are you saying that illegal immigration is not one of the issues within our borders because as hundreds of millions of americans see it, it is a domestic issue and thus it is directly related to this statement
No I am not saying that at all but there was no reason to bring that into the debate as I did not say anything about it. Its best to stick to a certain few points or this shit is going to get wayy to complicated and jumbled.
domestic issues, is illegal immigration not one of the issues within our borders that should be addressed, 30 million illegal aliens within the borders of the US, more than 30 million americans out of work, government agencies doling out the cash to people in the US illegally many of whom have no ID or only produce foreign IDs, many of whom are making untaxed cash and selling these government benefits for pennies on the dollar to boost their retirement at our expense... how exactly is this not an issue when others have mentioned welfare cheats, you've mentioned our drug policy and the penal system
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-aliens-collecting-wic-vouchers-georgia-video
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Prisoner#1 said: they're basing it on the official budgets, the global security link already covers that and also your own citation shows that your charts are inaccurate because if the US budget is under $700bn then obviously the $707bn figure is wrong
Then what are the real numbers?
The chart above shows under 700 billion being spent on defense.
"The President's budget request for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion."
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Total requested spending is $3.83 trillion and the federal deficit is forecast to be $1.56 trillion in 2010 and $1.27 trillion in 2011. Total debt is budgeted to increase from $11.9 trillion in FY2009, to $13.8 trillion in FY2010, and $15.1 trillion in FY2011.
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