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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14622156 - 06/16/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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linkamathingy said:
http://dprogram.net/2011/05/21/experts-speak-out-lynn-margulis-phd-–-scientist/

there's an awesome view of science right there. i meant black and white as in you boiled down complex people into an assertion that they can only be either scientists or hippies. degrading to say the least. thanks for the book recommendations.





I wasn't trying to insult you, friend. I myself fell victim to a lot of pseudoscience, I'll be the first to admit it. I was actually preparing for a civil war in the two years leading up to 2005 over something a "time traveler" predicted on an online message board. John Titor was the guys name, you can look him up, it's a pretty good story but no truth to it, obviously. But I thought there was, and I bought guns and learned to grow food and came up with plans on what I would do when the US finally decided to strike against its own people, which never (arguably) happened.

I haven't been feeling myself the last few days. I just quit smoking weed like 2 weeks ago (pretty much for good) and it's hard getting used to the world without that little cushion of laid-back surrounding you. I would rather see you educated than see you turn away from scientific fact because I was acting like a dick, so I guess my contribution wasn't exactly worthy of the conversation.

These guys aren't trying to be dicks either. They hear tons of pseudo-science come through these message boards due to the very nature of them, and admittedly it gives some of us short fuses when it comes to "hippy crap." Trust me, there's a LOT of misinformation out there, whether it's guided by good intentions or otherwise, and learning to differentiate between the two isn't exactly a skill that gets taught in school.


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #14622186 - 06/16/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Speaking of blind assertions, milk being digested in the stomach.

And mucoid plaques existing based on links found on a naturopath's own website.




you said i'm too lazy to learn things on my own(all i can do to not tell you to fuck off). you have made and stuck to far more incorrect assertions than I, while making even more. a lot of anger you have thrown at me. i tire of you like koraks predicted.


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14623754 - 06/16/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

um that content that isn't here anymore was useful to me. i didn't dream that right?


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14626604 - 06/17/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:it varies by race apparently, native americans are claimed to all be lactose intolerant, italians around 70% are while europeans are around 4-6% lactose intolerant



It does vary by race. Back in the day, like a few thousand years ago, the only time lactose was ever consumed in food was when infants were feeding on human milk. The need to break down lactose was only really needed for the first few years in life. With the invention of animal husbandry and agriculture, lactose in the diet became more common for some cultures, especially if they consumed milk and milk products after infancy.



That's what I understand as well. I think I got it from Jared Diamond, in Guns, Germs and Steel. Good read, and although debatable, his thesis of geographic determinism does have considerable face validity. Or maybe I'm just messing things up, but in any case, Diamond's reasoning seems to align pretty well with the hypothesis that lactose tolerance has something to do with the co-evolution (for that is what it essentially boils down to) of humans and cattle.
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Prisoner#1 said:
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koraks said:
In sum, I come to the following, tentative conclusion: LiquidSmoke, and I suspect Pris as well, are ultimately logical positivists when it comes to physiology.



actually LiquidSmoke is a real life Doctard, there have been many lulzy
discussions involving his fingers being in the rectums of old men




Doctors tend to be positivists as well, at least within the scope of their professional interests. In fact, the whole concept of modern medicine is based on positivist views.

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14627304 - 06/17/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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linkamathingy said:
pris:
that woman was selling nothing other than a book and the way she eats herself, apparently, and helps clients. there was no poop rope.




your first link with the 'mucoid plaque' shows that very image

as for what she's selling, all kinds of stuff from appliances to diet aids,
foods and even a natalia rose branded chocolate from a small, secluded 
village in south africa


http://www.detoxtheworld.com/shopping.php


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it can shed toxins on it's own. but eating poorly creates a backlog where your body is always trying to catch up with the latest combination of food you have input, focusing less on more important healing.





I'm sure you'll see some issues of you do nothing but drink gatorade and
eat microwave pizza, it has nothing to do with a backlog, mucoid plaque
buildup or bubble gum staying in your intestines for 7 years. it has to do
with your overall physical health, eating shitty foods causes the problem,
hell, eating nothing but fruits and vegetables causes problems for many

proper diet and nutrition are key in staying healthy, no one is arguing
that. most diets you find on the internet are nothing more than crackpots
trying to give advice on how you should eat because it seems to work for them.

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: koraks] * 1
    #14627311 - 06/17/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
Doctors tend to be positivists as well, at least within the scope of their professional interests. In fact, the whole concept of modern medicine is based on positivist views.




as opposed to holistic healing from online correspondence courses?

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14627330 - 06/17/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
Doctors tend to be positivists as well, at least within the scope of their professional interests. In fact, the whole concept of modern medicine is based on positivist views.




as opposed to holistic healing from online correspondence courses?



Yup. 'cause that is not based, period.

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: koraks] * 1
    #14627352 - 06/17/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

exactly my point... baseless

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14628165 - 06/17/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you think holistic medicine is baseless.... sigh. i bet you think acupuncture is phooey? qi gong as well?


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: koraks]
    #14628253 - 06/17/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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koraks said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

koraks said:
Doctors tend to be positivists as well, at least within the scope of their professional interests. In fact, the whole concept of modern medicine is based on positivist views.




as opposed to holistic healing from online correspondence courses?



Yup. 'cause that is not based, period.




i'm fairly certain this is internet sarcasm?


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14628279 - 06/17/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

koraks said:
Doctors tend to be positivists as well, at least within the scope of their professional interests. In fact, the whole concept of modern medicine is based on positivist views.




as opposed to holistic healing from online correspondence courses?




i believe a baseless book as you accuse natalia rose of writing wouldn't have a base to cite in a bibliography?

1.www.nof.org Website of the National Osteoporosis Foundation
2.www.european-vegetarian.org Website for the European Vegetarian Union
3.www.nexusmagazine.com Website of Nexus Magazine
4.www.all-creatures.org Online resource for a peaceable relationship between humans, animals,
and the environment
5. Kulvinskas, Viktoras. Survival into the 21st Century. Fairfield, Iowa: 21st Century Publish-ing, 1975.
6. www.house.gov Website of the United States House of Representatives
7. www.betterhealthlchannel.com Informative website about healthful living
Baird, Lori. The Complete Book of Raw Food. New York, NY: Healthy Living Books, 2004.
Brotman, Juliano. Raw: The Uncookbook. New York, NY; HarperCollins, 1999.
Cole, Candia Lea. Not Milk . . . Nut Milks. Santa Barbara, CA: Woodbridge Press, 1997.
Cousins, Gabriel. Conscious Eating. Berkley, CA: North Atlantic Books, 2000.
Cousins, Gabriel. Spiritual Nutrition & The Rainbow Diet. Boulder, CO: Cassandra Press, 1986.
Diamond, Harvey and Marilyn Diamond. Fit for Life. New York: Warner Books, 1985.
Ehret, Arnold. The Mucousless Diet and Healing System. New York, NY: Benedict Lust Publi-
cations, 2002.
Ehret, Arnold. Rational Fasting. New York, NY: Benedict Lust Publications, 1971.
Gerber, Richard. Vibrational Medicine. Rochester, VT: Bear & Company, 2001.
Howell, Edward. Enzyme Nutrition, The Food Enzyme Concept. New Jersey: Avery Publishing
Group, 1985.
Kulvinskas, Viktoras. Survival into the 21st Century. Fairfield, Iowa: 21st Century Publishing, 1975.
Meyerowitz, Steve. Food Combining and Digestion. Great Barrington, MA: Sproutman Publica-tions, 1996.
Pottenger, Francis M. Pottenger’s Cats: A Study in Nutrition. San Diego, CA: Price Pottenger Nutritional Foundation Inc., 1995.
Shelton, Herbert. Food Combining Made Easy. San Antonio, TX: Willow Publishing, Inc., 1940.
Shelton, Herbert. Superior Nutrition. San Antonio, TX: Willow Publishing, Inc., 1987.
Trotter, Charlie and Roxanne Klein. Raw Berkley, CA: Ten Speed Press, 2003.
Walker, Norman. Colon Health. New York, NY: Pyramid Books, 1970.
Walker, Norman. Fresh Fruits and Vegetable Juices. Walker Press: Pyramid Books, 1970.
Walker, Norman. The Vegetarian Guide to Diet & Salad. Presscot, AZ: Norwalk Press, 1971.
Walker, Norman. Raw Vegetable Juices. New York, NY: Pyramid Books, 1972.
Wigmore, Ann. The Hippocrates Diet. Wayne, New Jersey: Avery Publishing Group, 1984.


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14632418 - 06/18/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it's necessarily when you copy someone else's work, if you dont cite the
source then they litigate for plagerism, now here's the question, what
important nutritional breakthroughs does whitehouse.gov or all-creatures
provide, hell, what do all those fantastic sources from the 70s provide
it's real cutting edge shit to copy 35yo material

she's a liberal arts major with a certificate from an online course

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14632433 - 06/18/11 06:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

which means she has enough drive to sit through enough classes and waste enough money to get a degree. i dont see negation of her diet from lack of degree in health.

unless all the testimonials were fabricated from her book and around the internet about her book giving good advice? is there evidence of that? i've even had good benefits from the advice in her book.

anyways, chances are nut milk is healthier for you than soy milk, besides the claims of it being mucus forming by way of being hard to digest, as long as the nut milk is homemade. that way you forgo GMO soy and synthetic preservatives and flavorings added to the soy milk to make it palatable, although some can't take it anyways, wiccan seeker for one i believe?


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14632485 - 06/18/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say soy milk is unhealthy.

Soy contains potent antivitamins. Now if you make Tofu, you wash almost all of them out and denature remainders, but soy milk still contains all the antivitamins. You might as well eat raw soybeans.. which is toxic.

I want to see a TEK of actual nut milk being made.


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Asante]
    #14632927 - 06/18/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My dad, who is an almost batshit insane organic farmer in South Texas, keeps telling me that estrogen is present in larger amounts in soymilk than in just about any other milk alternative. He keeps blaming it for "the feminization of America," but I could see hormones like that having other negative side effects. He told me this whilst giving me a lengthy speech about the pitfalls of veganism, and why it's a completely unhealthy lifestyle.

I love my dad a ton now that he quit drinking and started getting high all the time. A little crazier, but definitely a lot more interesting. Anyways, didn't mean to get off topic....


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14633125 - 06/18/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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estrogen is present in larger amounts in soymilk than in just about any other milk alternative.




Fact.

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He keeps blaming it for "the feminization of America,"




Not everyone drinks soy milk, but everyone gets in contact with things like Bisphenol A.


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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14633471 - 06/18/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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He keeps blaming it for "the feminization of America,"




Oh god, he's one of THOSE. :lol:

FYI, in Asian cultures men have higher amounts of estrogen levels because of the large amounts of phytoestrogens they consume from soybeans.

I can't for the life of me conceive why this is such a horrible, negative thing though. :shrug:

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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Crystal G]
    #14635298 - 06/18/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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linkamathingy said:
which means she has enough drive to sit through enough classes and waste enough money to get a degree. i dont see negation of her diet from lack of degree in health.




because the degree in how to write a book in relation to how to properly
manage a diet are two different things, as we've seen genetics play a
large role in a digestible diet... she's pushing a diet plan that may work
for some, it certainly wont work for everyone

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unless all the testimonials were fabricated from her book and around the internet about her book giving good advice? is there evidence of that? i've even had good benefits from the advice in her book.




testimonials are just that, you can find millions of testimonials about
how god changed someone's life and made them wealthy, you can find
millions more on any number of subjects and they're pretty well
meaningless to anyone but those that want to believe what's being pedaled
just like the testimonials about that colon cleansing crap you'll find
everywhere on the net


should we believe all the testimonials about colloidal silver being so great?


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Crystal G said:
FYI, in Asian cultures men have higher amounts of estrogen levels because of the large amounts of phytoestrogens they consume from soybeans.

I can't for the life of me conceive why this is such a horrible, negative thing though. :shrug:





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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14635319 - 06/18/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

linkamathingy said:
which means she has enough drive to sit through enough classes and waste enough money to get a degree. i dont see negation of her diet from lack of degree in health.




because the degree in how to write a book in relation to how to properly
manage a diet are two different things, as we've seen genetics play a
large role in a digestible diet... she's pushing a diet plan that may work
for some, it certainly wont work for everyone

Quote:

unless all the testimonials were fabricated from her book and around the internet about her book giving good advice? is there evidence of that? i've even had good benefits from the advice in her book.




testimonials are just that, you can find millions of testimonials about
how god changed someone's life and made them wealthy, you can find
millions more on any number of subjects and they're pretty well
meaningless to anyone but those that want to believe what's being pedaled
just like the testimonials about that colon cleansing crap you'll find
everywhere on the net


should we believe all the testimonials about colloidal silver being so great?


Quote:

Crystal G said:
FYI, in Asian cultures men have higher amounts of estrogen levels because of the large amounts of phytoestrogens they consume from soybeans.

I can't for the life of me conceive why this is such a horrible, negative thing though. :shrug:









you are obviously judging a book before you have read it pris. by it's cover one might say. she's not forcing anything on anyone, it's just advice

you want to better understand genetic causation? try:
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Re: Drink Nut Milk Instead of SoyMilk, you'll be healthier [Re: linkamathingy] * 1
    #14635336 - 06/18/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ah...  Dr. Lipton, the guy that says you can change your genetics and DNA if you simply believe

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