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    #14632359 - 06/18/11 05:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the lazy socialist slacker assholes in all of Europe
Eurotrash
lazy socialist slacker bums
telling you bums to fuck off




Really now.

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Europe has been a parasitic continent for decades.  On our money.




Please explain how we are parasitic? By sending troops to fight YOUR wars with you and jeapordize our trade relations with the Arab world?

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never paid for anything.




:horly:  Europe has taken large reserves of your dollars etc and you have been printing large excesses of it, effectively decreasing the value of our holdings in your crap.

Did the USA have holdings in Dutch guldens? Dutch T bills?

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Bullshit.




I'd love you proving that I myself have indeed seen an object marked Made In The USA in the past years. You can take my word for it that I didn't. You find the need to contadict everything I say, including facts about my life. Funny how that works.

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The Euro is in complete disarray and about to collapse because of the lazy socialist slacker bums




Are you sure the international financial crisis has nothing to do with it? You know, the stuff that started in the USA with the subprime mortgages bubble, the bailouts and all that good shit?

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What we would be better off doing is telling you bums to fuck off and let the tanks roll.




Go right ahead, what's keeping you? Oh wait, theres no profit in it for you.

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Stupid pussies can't even supply the men and material to take over LIBYA, fer fuck sake.




We strictly did not want to take over Libya, just provide bare-bones support aiding the resistance in their revolution and preventing excess casualties.


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Re: .... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633448 - 06/18/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Euro is in complete disarray and about to collapse because of the lazy socialist slacker bums even though we have paid the bill for their security for decades




based on two false premises: that the SU wanted to take over the world, & that it could do it (assuming that it wanted to.) both are false. they didn't even take Finland, Sweden, or Switzerland, none of which were NATO member (nor was Austria I believe.)

If your analysis were correct, the standard of living in those countries should be way behind the rest of NATO Europe, but instead they are about the same (all 3 above U.S. in this category I'm pretty sure.) As for Europe all being lazy parasites, Norway has highest standard of living in the world (as has for a long time), while the U.S. ranks about 12th.


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Re: .... [Re: Asante]
    #14633474 - 06/18/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How did I know that was Zappa without even looking?

He certainly is........unique.


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    #14633495 - 06/18/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

His opinion is clear though :awesome:


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Re: .... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14633526 - 06/18/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Euro is in complete disarray and about to collapse because of the lazy socialist slacker bums even though we have paid the bill for their security for decades




based on two false premises: that the SU wanted to take over the world, & that it could do it (assuming that it wanted to.) both are false. they didn't even take Finland, Sweden, or Switzerland, none of which were NATO member (nor was Austria I believe.)




I believe they declared a desire to do so.  Their behavior in fact exhibited just that.  Or did you not know that up until just a few decades ago they held Eastern Europe in thrall?  Right up to the middle of Germany.
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If your analysis were correct, the standard of living in those countries should be way behind the rest of NATO Europe, but instead they are about the same (all 3 above U.S. in this category I'm pretty sure.) As for Europe all being lazy parasites, Norway has highest standard of living in the world (as has for a long time), while the U.S. ranks about 12th.




I doubt your assertion about Norway but they also have huge oil reserves that are about to run dry.  And a hideous immigration parasite problem.  We'll see what happens then.  Say, just how much did Norway contribute to fighting the Nazis, anyway?  Fuck all.


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Re: .... [Re: Asante]
    #14633576 - 06/18/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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the lazy socialist slacker assholes in all of Europe
Eurotrash
lazy socialist slacker bums
telling you bums to fuck off




Really now.

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Europe has been a parasitic continent for decades.  On our money.




Please explain how we are parasitic? By sending troops to fight YOUR wars with you and jeapordize our trade relations with the Arab world?

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never paid for anything.




:horly:  Europe has taken large reserves of your dollars etc and you have been printing large excesses of it, effectively decreasing the value of our holdings in your crap.

Did the USA have holdings in Dutch guldens? Dutch T bills?




I doubt it.  Why would they?  Do you know why Europe takes large holdings in US dollars?  Because they think it is a good idea.  Funny thing about choices.
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Bullshit.




I'd love you proving that I myself have indeed seen an object marked Made In The USA in the past years. You can take my word for it that I didn't. You find the need to contadict everything I say, including facts about my life. Funny how that works.




I don't contradict everything you say.  In fact I mostly ignore you.  This country manufactures quite a lot.  Say, is that an Intel Inside computer you just wrote that stupid shit on?
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The Euro is in complete disarray and about to collapse because of the lazy socialist slacker bums




Are you sure the international financial crisis has nothing to do with it? You know, the stuff that started in the USA with the subprime mortgages bubble, the bailouts and all that good shit?




Doesn't seem to be.  And just what do you think made the financial crisis international?  Eurosocialist assholes living on borrowed money had nothing to do with it?  What a marvelous set of blinkers you wear.
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What we would be better off doing is telling you bums to fuck off and let the tanks roll.




Go right ahead, what's keeping you? Oh wait, theres no profit in it for you.




We aren't making any profit off protecting the Europansies.  It is costing us quite a bit.  Altruism is for suckers.  I'm tired of being one.
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Stupid pussies can't even supply the men and material to take over LIBYA, fer fuck sake.




We strictly did not want to take over Libya, just provide bare-bones support aiding the resistance in their revolution and preventing excess casualties.



Well that mission sure seems to have creeped.  At any rate:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/04/15/nato-running-short-on-some-arms.html

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But despite the intense support by British and French leaders for the campaign, the lack of munitions, including precision bombs and aircraft, shows their limitations. NATO commanders have not asked the U.S. to come back, but NATO officials admitted they can’t keep up with the pace of the bombing.


 

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Re: .... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14633616 - 06/18/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Euro is in complete disarray and about to collapse because of the lazy socialist slacker bums even though we have paid the bill for their security for decades




based on two false premises: that the SU wanted to take over the world, & that it could do it (assuming that it wanted to.) both are false. they didn't even take Finland, Sweden, or Switzerland, none of which were NATO member (nor was Austria I believe.)






except that they did invade finland and were poorly trained and equipped, they got their asses handed to them by the Fins, the Red Army was given explicit instructions from Moscow not to cross the border into Sweden, sweden was under the protection of the germans as long as they had access to swedish resources during their invasion of the soviet union and switzerland has always posed a very difficult target as history has shown, these nations also formed a pact and many swoss fought the soviets in the winter war, with the germans coming into russia they had no choice but to give up on invading the Baltic states and focus on the Nazis

just because you believe the soviets didnt want to take europe doesnt mean you're even close to right, just look at how much of europe russia did conquer in their attempts to take europe... as for your claims they wanted the world, it may have been the next goal had they managed the rest of europe but as is clear, you like to distort things and disregard what doesnt align with your views

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Re: .... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633617 - 06/18/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So who are "They" and huh? Lose what?
The first world war that started and already ended was very likely the discovery of the "New World"....
Before that it was all tee pees and peyote buttons.... :ganja:
:peace:
and
:sun:

Just an opinion from one of many tribes......:aliendance:

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I think its all the shi! after the fact...... My bad.:shrug:


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Re: .... [Re: sko0bydo0]
    #14633697 - 06/18/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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sko0bydo0 said:
So who are "They" and huh? Lose what?
The first world war that started and already ended was very likely the discovery of the "New World"....
Before that it was all tee pees and peyote buttons.... :ganja:
:peace:
and
:sun:

Just an opinion from one of many tribes......:aliendance:



Was your tribe one of those that kept other aboriginal Americans as slaves?


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Re: .... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633703 - 06/18/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently not... As I said,
Tee Pee's and buttons...


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Re: .... [Re: sko0bydo0]
    #14633718 - 06/18/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Did you actually do any research?  What tribe?  I'll do the research.


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Re: .... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14633730 - 06/18/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cherokee and Comanche:aliendance:

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Re: .... [Re: sko0bydo0]
    #14633733 - 06/18/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cherokee and Comanche:aliendance:

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the cherokee kept slaves and peyote use by the comanche didnt come about until the 1890s

also cherokee and comnache

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Re: .... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14633752 - 06/18/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know of the use of mescal beans before the cacti.
And Its in the blood I guess.
I cant change my ancestors or who they were.
"I" can change my way of thinking though....


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Re: .... [Re: sko0bydo0]
    #14633775 - 06/18/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I know of the use of mescal beans before the cacti.
And Its in the blood I guess.
I cant change my ancestors or who they were.
"I" can change my way of thinking though....





then you know the comanche also took slaves, mostly navajo, some white,
they'd rape the women and either put them to work or sell them, the comanche
were an entrepreneurial nation

no one is telling you to change your ancestry, though you seem to be doing
that just a bit by denying the slavery and claiming the peyote

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    #14633823 - 06/18/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The whole button thing was more of a symbolic type thing. No one can claim nature. And as I said,
I cant change my ancestors or who they were.... what they did for that matter......
"I" can change my way of thinking though....
:ganja:

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the thinkin keeps on changing:cookiemonster:


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    #14634449 - 06/18/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That (conflict in Finland) was early WWII; I was talking post-WWII (when U.S. imperialism falsely claimed it was fighting the existential threat of Communism), where the two nations had a neutrality treaty that was adhered to. This point alone refutes your (& Zappa's) claim that they had an intention to "take over the world." Second, they weren't economically capable (unless you think their system was so efficient that it could have managed to do so), just like the U.S. isn't presently.

Third, and very important, of course they took eastern Europe. Russia had twice been invaded by Germany through eastern Europe, with resulting tens of millions of civilian & military causalities. Any Russian government... whether Stalin, the Czar, or anyone else... would have wanted pro-Russian governments across the area given this.


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    #14634482 - 06/18/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have objective historical evidence that Natives (specifically Comanche as you claim) routinely raped women?

As for peyote, people from that area have used it for thousands of years (almost 6000, documented anyways, according to the following source), not beginning just 120 years ago.

Prehistoric peyote use: alkaloid analysis and radiocarbon dating of archaeological specimens of Lophophora from Texas.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15990261

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Re: .... [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14634497 - 06/18/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have objective historical evidence that Natives (specifically Comanche as you claim) from the American SW region routinely raped women?





like photos maybe

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As for peyote, people from that area have used it for thousands of years (almost 6000 according to the following source), not beginning just 120 years ago.

Prehistoric peyote use: alkaloid analysis and radiocarbon dating of archaeological specimens of Lophophora from Texas.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15990261




you are aware that the comanche were not originally from south texas, from
colorado, new mexico and the central plains... it was Quanna Parker that
introduced peyote to the comanche

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    #14634528 - 06/18/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So what then is your evidence to claim that it was routine (i.e. a culturally accepted practice?)

Indigenous people have used peyote (& other psychedelics) for thousands of years, throughout the whole of the Americas. It is very much a part of the cultural heritage; that is the central point.

I dont know the history of each & every group (given that newer ethnic groups or tribes arose from older ones as is the case everywhere.) Supposedly they (Comanche) came down from further north around the turn of the 18th century. If this particular group didn't begin using until about 1900, then maybe that's true; I haven't read anything on it.

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