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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province
    #1462889 - 04/16/03 04:41 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Alberta is by far the most right-wing place in Canada. It also happens to have a huge chunk of Canada's total fossil fuel resources. This mix is fueling a seperatist movement within the province.

Unlike Quebec, whose seperatist movement is in a large part founded on history, language, culture and other respectable things, Alberta's is founded on, as far as I can figure out, the fact that if it was alone, it's ruling class would be richer off.

It's not enough for Alberta that it got to keep the lion's share of it's resource revenue, rather than share it's good fortaune with it's nation (Ottawa collects far less than Edmonton in oil&gas revenue) No. They want it all. These seperatists want to enbark on a far-right wing economic agenda, complete with private health insurance, and possibly no minimum wage. (it's already got a flat tax)

Thanks to Alberta's far-right economic policies, it suffers from high inequality, with a lot of working-poor people. Alberta's finance minister scoff's at the notion of a livable minimum wage, saying we must wait for the market to acomplish that. What a joke. In Canada's richest province, there's a big poverty problem. Alberta's premier got drunk one night a few years ago and, late at night, barged into a shelter for the poor, scolding them for their condition!!!

Anyway's, here's the latest annoying piece of news about Alberta...




The province of Alberta is ready to consider putting up barriers around its money and political authority to keep Ottawa out, Premier Ralph Klein said on Tuesday.





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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1462904 - 04/16/03 05:02 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

alberta sucks.

there was a peace ralley downtown there a month ago, and the police had to escort the demonstrators away because people driving by were throwing rocks at them.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463287 - 04/16/03 11:08 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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These seperatists want to enbark on a far-right wing economic agenda, complete with private health insurance, and possibly no minimum wage. (it's already got a flat tax)




What is so wrong with that.  Privitazation will only increase competition which will lower prices.  I hope you think this is a good thing. :smirk:
No minimum wage is probably one of the best ideas, because it will ensure that the job industry does not start trailing the regular industry (as is the case currenty in the US).  This will result in mass unemployement due to cheaper mechanized labor and not to mention since it has never had a minimum wage a good deal of inflation at the implementation of such a policy.  I may just have to move there it sounds like my dream country. :grin: 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463300 - 04/16/03 11:16 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds to me like Alberta is heading in a good direction.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1463309 - 04/16/03 11:27 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Nah just a bunch of rich oil barons want to pay no taxes.  Of course us regular folks would never trust them to run a country.  We had the opportunity to pay off all of our debt about two years ago.  Maybe we could have separated if that happened, but the separatist movement has NO steam.  Its a joke.

On the other hand Alberta is the most likely Canadian province to become an American state.  But there is also a strong sentiment here for legalizing marijuana.

You are right about the inequalities here.  There are alot of millionaires in this city and I have even driven around in one of their expensive cars.  :smile:  Its not as bad as you make it out to be though, the average joe is still paid a decent wage. 

My advice for Albertans: don't vote for the Canadian Alliance!  :grin:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1463334 - 04/16/03 11:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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there was a peace ralley downtown there a month ago, and the police had to escort the demonstrators away because people driving by were throwing rocks at them.




You are talking about Calgary right? I was there, but I didnt see that. There was alot of shouting and shoving between the Prowar and Antiwar groups. I jumped in between them and diffused the situation, and then the camera crews rushed over to cover it but they were too late. It was alot of fun, I was tripping too. At the end of the rally there were people jumping in front of the CTrain, blocking traffic, banging on traffic lights with sticks, and other general stupidity.

There is news coverage here:
http://calgary.a-channel.com/news_story.php?id=1434&LargeMovie=111


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463398 - 04/16/03 12:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

As someone that has actually lived in Alberta my entire life I have an inside view of how people here think.

You have to keep in mind that Alberta supports Canada financially more so than any other province, yet we have next to no say politically...and get the shaft often from the powers that be in parliament. Until the GST was introduced Alberta was tax free.

Also the NEP from years back in effect devastated the Alberta economy...many people lost their jobs and homes etc....so there is still a lingering resentment.

We are Canadas richest province without a doubt, but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound, there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.

It's not that Alberta wants to separate from Canada...because the vast majority don't. We just want more say in Ottawa...I don't think that's unreasonable considering we are footing the bill for the majority of the Eastern Provinces.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463639 - 04/16/03 01:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

That and the gun registry. Alberta is paying for this crappy system... and most Albertans don't want or need it. My beef is that we have to abide by some stupid federal laws, laws that might be a good idea out East but not necessarily out West. It would be better if there were less federal laws legislating morality like the Drug Control Act, Gun Registry, etc. IMO these are some of the same problems with the American Federal gov.

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We are Canadas richest province without a doubt, but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound, there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.





Very true... just look in the Calgary Herald, there are TONS of jobs here. Plus if you get into the construction/oil business you can easily end up makin big cash. Don't try to get into computers in Alberta tho... ugh


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463661 - 04/16/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound



It's not as bad as the naysayers make it out to be here in the US either.

We (sadly) have the best fed and fatest poor people on the planet.



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We just want more say in Ottawa...I don't think that's unreasonable considering we are footing the bill for the majority of the Eastern Provinces.



And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463723 - 04/16/03 02:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Alberta's premier got drunk one night a few years ago and, late at night, barged into a shelter for the poor, scolding them for their condition!!!





Why didn't they kick the shit out of him?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463731 - 04/16/03 02:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.





So that's where our jobs went.

Damn snow Mexicans.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464069 - 04/16/03 04:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say. 




Brilliant...just brilliant...
did you major in philosophy? or history? :wink:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464075 - 04/16/03 04:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.




I'm not saying that Alberta should have the most say, because I don't think it should. I do however believe that it should at least have equal say and representation.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1464102 - 04/16/03 04:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

doesn't it though? I mean.. there are way more seats to be won in the east because there are so many more people...


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464111 - 04/16/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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  And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.




Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I disagree.  All the rich want is to pay less taxes.  I've got no sympathy for them.  If the worst thing that happens to rich people is they lose 5 out of 10 million dollars, then they are still living the best life possible.  The uber rich are always in the minority and therefore the masses vote to keep their taxes high, the way it should be!  :grin: 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464339 - 04/16/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

So theft is ok then?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464343 - 04/16/03 05:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Depends if you define taxation as theft. I dont.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464350 - 04/16/03 05:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

no. rapeing and pilaging is! :grin:

How did you get to that conclusion? :confused:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464361 - 04/16/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Has anyone considered how the rich get that way. It is because they work harder and use every ounce of intellect that they were born with. The rich that are born into money quickly loose their source as they can not compete with more successful business entreprenuers (this process would be far more efficent without government intervention as the gov'y normally decides who gets tax breaks and business wise it always seems to be failures). They do not want to pay more taxes than John Doe who works at the burger joint simply because they do not deserve to get punished for their success and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way, in fact I think every one should have some sense of selfishness. The rich are the best sources for reinvestment and yet the government takes their money away to provide for the people who decide not to try in life. The rich should either haved more say or they should pay less in taxes. When will someone see that the governments of this world are the largest and most untrustworthy thiefs, yet.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464383 - 04/16/03 05:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I do define excessive taxation (especially when one group is taxed more than anotehr) and wealth redistribution (ie welfare) as theft.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464392 - 04/16/03 05:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

In December of 1997 thousands of delegates from 160 countries came together to hammer out a plan to stop global warming. Their goal was to cut back the greenhouse gases that human's were pumping into the atmosphere dramatically.
In 1997 Canada was only pumping 6% of those emissions into the air. Canada has cut back to 2% now, which is very minimal compared to the other countries.
I can't understand why Chrieten has ratified the Kyoto Accord. The states haven't even signed it and they produce 20% if not more of the gases into the air.
The fact is that if the Kyoto Accord becomes enforced, Canada's economy will be fucked. Especially in the western provinces because of the oil companies.
Of course, it won't only effect industry related companies, it will effect each and every taxpayer in Canada. Cost of fuel will soar. At least to $1.10 a litre. Taxes will increase. Other industries will suffer as well in layoffs and cutbacks as a direct result. Noones job will be safe. As a matter of fact they predict about 450,000 jobs will be lost in Canada.
There are other options to help the environment. I won't deny that we need cleaner air and that we need to protect our earth, especially for future generations. But there are other solutions without having to cut so many jobs and raise so many taxes. I am a young adult that is struggling financially as is, and I know I'm not the only one out there, if they raise taxes, its going to make a big impact on our lives. There are many people just like me that are trying to make it in this world, and its our generation thats gotta work at making a difference. I moved to Alberta from Manitoba. Let me tell you there is a big difference in the economy out here compared to there. I will agree that Alberta is a 'rich' province. But I still think that Chrieten is more greedy than the Albertans out here. I dunno I just hate the guy. Everything in this post probably has nothing to do with the topic, but I posted it anyways.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1464419 - 04/16/03 05:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Alberta sucks? Gee thats negative...I was also at that peace rally. I also did not see rocks being thrown...however Calgary had thousands of people show up for that peace rally that day, and I'm very proud to say I was apart of it. We can't suck that much if we don't agree with war and choose to stand up for what we believe in.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464431 - 04/16/03 06:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The Canadian government is good to me, I'm satisfied paying a small amount of my low earnings to get good health care, police, etc. As a plus I end up getting most of my taxes back at the end of every year.

I disagree with the philosophy of "money rules", and that "equal percentages equals fairness". For example you tax a guy making a million a year for %50, and that guy is still doing great. You tax a guy making $30,000 a year for %50, and now his life is alot worse. No matter how much money you have, you are still ONE PERSON, you get ONE VOTE, I dont believe economic status should earn anyone more rights.

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They do not want to pay more taxes than John Doe who works at the burger joint simply because they do not deserve to get punished for their success and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way




I feel no sympathy for the rich and their "punishment". Boo-hoo! If everyone had to pay equal taxes, the system wouldn't work, because people are not paid equally. Taxation by its very nature is not a system of fairness, how can you tax John Doe at the burger joint for the same amount as Bill Gates? Either you put John Doe in jail for not paying as much as Bill Gates, or you make Bill Gates pay $2000 a year. What a revolution that would be for humanity. The government would collapse from no funds. I guess if you dont like your government (haha Americans) that sounds great.

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The rich are the best sources for reinvestment and yet the government takes their money away to provide for the people who decide not to try in life.




Some people try in life, but they aren't trying to make money. Is a guy working on wall-street is more valuable than a doctor, even though the doctor's goal in life is to save lives, and not to be a millionaire? Not every man sets his goals on money.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464433 - 04/16/03 06:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No...I would say you nailed it...


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1464457 - 04/16/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Can you blame Alberta and the west for being pissed off at the power provinces in the east?

We've been shafted in the past as Rono mentioned, thats still fresh in our minds (NEP).

Klein is doing all this 'rattling' because he wants more for Alberta in the government, since we don't have the population we in the west feel like our voices are not heard.

We especially hate how all this money is going to the east and we still don't get anything in return, just the typical crap in federal elections and feeling like outsiders by the idiot liberals.

Like the suggestion for an American style senate, the liberals have fought this idea because they don't want to give away any power to the west.

The vast majority of the west doesn't want to seperate from Canada, those are only a minority.. However the vast majority of westerners are fed up with Ottawa and power disparity that exists.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Thor]
    #1464524 - 04/16/03 06:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ok here's the plan Albertans:

Outbreed Ontario. Have LOTS of kids.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464528 - 04/16/03 06:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Has anyone considered how the rich get that way. It is because they work harder and use every ounce of intellect that they were born with.

Funny. In real life it really matters little how hard you work. its who you know, what you have, and your determination. But really how hard you work is only a small desciding factor. Having money to begin with and knowing people go alot further than "determinaton" alone.



The rich that are born into money quickly loose their source as they can not compete with more successful business entreprenuers.

How did you come to this conclusion?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464534 - 04/16/03 06:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

With your logic the rich will be funding the unsuccessful, unintelligent, unproductive people (yes there are exceptions). Why should this ever happen? It is in essence funding a devolution of society. Also do you truly think any government needs the amount of funds that they raise. A government does not need welfare or insurance. US Social Security policy is a joke as we make a measely four percent on the income put towards it (and there will be absolutely no money around to fund my genereation any way.) In fact the only thing governments need to do is provide national and local security. Roads and other transpotation is an option, but would easily be supplied by an industry if needed. Welfare is a way to rob from the rich to give to the poor, and any way you look at it stealing is stealing. The end can never justify the means or we would have a rampant society trying to prevent instead of produce. And when production hits the bottom, the economy is fucked. The more producton a nation has the better there economy will do. It is that simple. With less government funds they will have to cut jobs (oh no), and guess where those people are going to go, they are going to go produce products and provide services to better the economy. I know a very good deal about economics and this is the simplest way that I have ever come across to better global and local economy not to mention social aspects.
A tax of no more than ten to fifteen percent is enough for any government to provide the basic necessities for its citizens.
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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464547 - 04/16/03 06:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I do define excessive taxation (especially when one group is taxed more than anotehr) and wealth redistribution (ie welfare) as theft.




If one group has more than another doesn't it stand to reason they should contribute proportionately? Or should tax for the year be a dollar cus thats what the bums could contribute, and its unfair for me to pay more than a bum even if i make a hundred times what he does.

What about wealth distribution...ie: health care? roads? essential services? employment insurance?...you've obviously never needed welfare.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464550 - 04/16/03 06:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My advice, when you get a new job, don't sign the part of the contract that asks if you would like taxes deducted of your cheque, therefore the government doesn't get any of our money and as far as I know its not illegal to do so....some dude told me that once, not sure if it would actually work though.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1464563 - 04/16/03 06:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If one group has more than another doesn't it stand to reason they should contribute proportionately? Or should tax for the year be a dollar cus thats what the bums could contribute, and its unfair for me to pay more than a bum even if i make a hundred times what he does.

Sorry I should have been more clear. It should be a percentage of income.

What about wealth distribution...ie: health care? roads? essential services? employment insurance?...you've obviously never needed welfare.

People can provide their own health care. That is what insurance is for. If they don't plan ahead maybe some kind sole will help them pay for their health needs maybe one won't. The point is that it's not my problem. Welfare on the federal level is a joke and is abused constantly. It should be left as an option for the states.
I have no idea what essential services is. Perhaps you can enlighten me and tell me why they are "essential".


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464566 - 04/16/03 06:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They will come arrest you. Happened to someone I know.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1464581 - 04/16/03 06:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

See that you left out part of my original post. If you read the rest you may understand it better. Efficency in redistribution of wealth from generation to generation would be far superior if the government did not involve themselves in affairs in which they do not understand. Instead of letting failing businesses die they try to revive them by giving them tax breaks, donations, etc. What good is giving tax dollars (breaks) to a failure. That is like giving a technical job to the worst candidate, and in both cases it does absolutely no good. In fact, in most cases it will do more harm than anything. I do not belive that everyone should pay a standard lump-sum for a tax, I do belive however that the percentage should be constant for all, as that is the only fair way. Due to the constant percentage the rich will pay more taxes than the poor, but it will still be the same percentage of income.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464594 - 04/16/03 06:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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If one group has more than another doesn't it stand to reason they should contribute proportionately? Or should tax for the year be a dollar cus thats what the bums could contribute, and its unfair for me to pay more than a bum even if i make a hundred times what he does.

Sorry I should have been more clear. It should be a percentage of income.




In that case i agree. I want to say the rich should pay more, but if i had money i would be against that, and so a percentage should be paid. I feel a little different though on people born with money....people should earn what they have.



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What about wealth distribution...ie: health care? roads? essential services? employment insurance?...you've obviously never needed welfare.

People can provide their own health care. That is what insurance is for. If they don't plan ahead maybe some kind sole will help them pay for their health needs maybe one won't. The point is that it's not my problem. Welfare on the federal level is a joke and is abused constantly. It should be left as an option for the states.
I have no idea what essential services is. Perhaps you can enlighten me and tell me why they are "essential".




Well being a 21 year old healthy male, i am also against paying for others health problems ie: health care, and for peoples laziness ie: welfare. I am not really decided about the health care though....im against medical practices now...not contributing to the health of others.

Essential services are things like doctors, police, firemen, garbage men, etc...


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464600 - 04/16/03 06:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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They will come arrest you. Happened to someone I know.




Or just charge you for the entire time you didn't pay....plus "interest"!...happened to my dads small business.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464601 - 04/16/03 06:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They will not necessarily come arrest you. If you make under $10,000 a year then you can file "exempt" for federal taxes (not Soc Sec) and will never have to pay the taxes. This only works for federal welfare and state income and welfare will still be stolen from you.

I have always been looking for a lawyer who would file a lawsuit against the feds for their incessant stealing of my income, I am begining to give up in my search as they have already gone through law school and have been corrupted by it. It is such a shame.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464606 - 04/16/03 06:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

So your saying that giving tax breaks to new companies helps them establish themselves and benefit the economy, while helping failing business will only sometimes help, but more likely only delays its failure?

I agree. People can always find another job, or create a new business or idea....


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1464610 - 04/16/03 06:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly, but not necessarily a tax break, just less taxes from the start.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464611 - 04/16/03 06:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Now you are making me wax philosophical!  What is your vision of the future?

The destiny of humanity is to work making products to sell to each other, while rich people sit around telling them what to make?  I don't see it that way.  Let's say you are rich and you have kids.  Your kids won't ever have to work for money, if they are wise.  Now the goal for these kids in their life is not money, now that their parents have already accomplished it for them.  These kids could just sit around doing nothing.  Or they could make more money that they don't need.  Or they could decide to make a website like the Shroomery for others to use for free.  Money makes the world go round, but what people do in their free time is what makes the world worth living in.

I'm also well-studied in economics, in university as well.  But the only thing I've learnt is that its all bullshit.  Unless you run the economy it doesnt matter if you think its morally right to tax people or not... taxation is the reality here.  Why not make the best use of it that we can?  Same with government.  Governments exists and instead of trying to bring them down, we should use them as tools in the most productive way possible.

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  A tax of no more than ten to fifteen percent is enough for any government to provide the basic necessities for its citizens.





I agree, thats probably true.  The government is bloated (ie federal government) in Canada and especially in America.  Canada on the other hand doesnt waste massive amounts of money on the military and world domination, we spend it on making life better for ourselves.

Even a flat tax of 15% for all wont work.  It sounds nice in theory.  But in real life you are going to have a poor person giving up a vital part of his earnings.  There has to be adjustments made based on wage earnings and quality of life factors. 

Seeing as how there are alot more poor people than rich people, shouldnt we sacrifice the rich people's money to make life better for all the poor?  :tongue: 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464625 - 04/16/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Seeing as how there are alot more poor people than rich people, shouldnt we sacrifice the rich people's money to make life better for all the poor?  :tongue:   




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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464627 - 04/16/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah ok I never was very good at politics
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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464629 - 04/16/03 06:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Governments exists and instead of trying to bring them down, we should use them as tools in the most productive way possible.




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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464651 - 04/16/03 07:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Seeing as how there are alot more poor people than rich people, shouldnt we sacrifice the rich people's money to make life better for all the poor?  :tongue:   



No we shouldn't. It is not our decision to make. If a rich person wants to give to charity or help the poor he sees around him then he can. If we strip him of some of his earnings forcefully then we are doing nothing but playing robin hood. That is the majority oppressing the minority.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464678 - 04/16/03 07:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My vision for the future is one that neither relies on leaching (welfare, governmental priveledges) nor social connections. However, we all know that the social aspects will always play a vital role.

If I was rich and had kids, why do you think they would be the ones to inherit my business, it is mine after all isn't it? I would sell it plain and simple. There is no reason anyone needs handouts. But, I am not average and most would give their child the business. Now they need to worry about things such as finances, advertising, marketing, and research and development. If they do not know how, then they will either sell the business or hire more workers and executives (either way they are not going to keep profits up).

I never stated that I wanted to bring down our govenment, I just think a severe reorganization and evalution of where its current policies may lead it is in order.

I will predict that the more our government tries to do, the less successful that it becomes at doing anything. You can already start to see the trend happening, but it may take a while for it to fully bloom. Then our economy will lead the rest of the world into the second major depression. Oh. and this one will be far, far worse.

The economy is structured so that at optimal conditions it has the least govenment inteference and maximum competition.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1464698 - 04/16/03 07:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I would be willing to bet that the majority of the poor are there by there choosing. There is always something you can do to make money. If you have to get a second job to get by, so be it, if you have to get a job to get by, you better bust your ass looking. I have been consistently employed since I was sixteen and would have it no other way as I know working is the only way to advance yourself. There is no reason a thirty year old, who has a full day to work, can not find a job. This is obviously a sign of lack of motivation or just general stupidity. Both of these qualities are undesirable and therefore should not be funded to keep them from dieing.

Welfare is funding the devolution of society and that is why I have little hope for mankind.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464740 - 04/16/03 07:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I would be willing to bet that the majority of the poor are there by there choosing.



LMFAO!!! Good one! Oh wait...you were serious???

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There is always something you can do to make money.



Ya, like sell drugs, but that often lands people in the slammer.

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If you have to get a second job to get by, so be it, if you have to get a job to get by, you better bust your ass looking.



Are you aware that there are people with two or even three jobs that still can't make ends meet?

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I have been consistently employed since I was sixteen



Good for you. You're one of the lucky ones.

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There is no reason a thirty year old, who has a full day to work, can not find a job.



What if he has a criminal record? It's hard to find employment then.

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This is obviously a sign of lack of motivation or just general stupidity.



Say a woman gets pregnant and the man walks out on her. She has to raise the baby all by herself. Now, it may be stupid to get pregnant if you know there won't be a guy to raise the child, but sometimes the man just walks out on her. I don't think that's lack of motivation or stupidity. In fact, many women in this situation turn to prostitution to provide for their child.

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Both of these qualities are undesirable and therefore should not be funded to keep them from dieing.



Hmm...killing off undesirables....Where have I heard that before? Oh yes! Nazi Germany.

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Welfare is funding the devolution of society and that is why I have little hope for mankind.



It is that kind of apathy for the well-being of others that gives me little hope for mankind.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1464798 - 04/16/03 07:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The funniest part is that every condition you listed is by the persons choosing. You are a criminal because you choose to, the woman is pregnant because she has choosen to spread her legs.

If you have two jobs making seven dollars an hour then you should be working sixty hours a week. Income will equal 23,000. Unless you have a raging addiction, this is enough to live on, maybe not well but live.

Last I checked Hitler killed the Jews. Where the hell did I state that I want to kill anyone? Letting evolution happen is far from killing, in fact I think that is the most desirable thing thatcould happen in our society.

Why should I have any apathy for anyone. I am here on this rock to do one thing and that is provide for myself, I have no concern for those that can not do as I.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464812 - 04/16/03 07:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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The funniest part is that every condition you listed is by the persons choosing. You are a criminal because you choose to, the woman is pregnant because she has choosen to spread her legs.



So you don't believe in second chances? A guy should die of hunger because he got caught selling weed? The woman and her child should die because her husband walked out on her? They are decisions, yes. But sometimes there are unforseen consequences to our decisions.

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If you have two jobs making seven dollars an hour then you should be working sixty hours a week. Income will equal 23,000. Unless you have a raging addiction, this is enough to live on, maybe not well but live.



Mabye if you're only taking care of yourself. What if you have kids to feed?

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Last I checked Hitler killed the Jews. Where the hell did I state that I want to kill anyone? Letting evolution happen is far from killing, in fact I think that is the most desirable thing thatcould happen in our society.



Unless you were born poor, I don't think you're in any position to say that poor people are in that position because of any defects.

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Why should I have any apathy for anyone. I am here on this rock to do one thing and that is provide for myself, I have no concern for those that can not do as I.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1464838 - 04/16/03 08:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

no alberta sucks, and all albertans should be labelled as right-wing greedmongers who have no souls, so alberta can be sufficiently alienated by the rest of canada, so it will have a real reason to seperate.

hahaha. no alberta doesnt really "suck", but it is a gathering point for canada's selfish pro-american fools. and since when is privitization a good thing? whoever said that needs to evaluate the current social condition of the united states. i would rather have to wait in line at a hospital (and lose alot of blood) that treats people equally. then die outside of a profit-orientated hospital.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1464857 - 04/16/03 08:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Those not in the position to have kids simply should not have them. A bitch who gets walked out on obviously is not in a stable position and should not have them, if you can hardly support yourself why would you have kids. It is all in a persons ability to choose what they think is best.

I was not born poor, but I was born to a mother who was divorced within five years of my birth and three years of my brothers. My dad is a deadbeat who supports as he sees fit (no money for anything). My mother busted her ass and when she remarried, she did not need help financially. It did make things easier, but she would have provided for us by herself if she needed to.

I would be a perfectly good father who taught my kids right from wrong. And they would be perfectly adapted to go out into the world and live and produce and make a living.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464868 - 04/16/03 08:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Pattern writes:

The Canadian government is good to me, I'm satisfied paying a small amount of my low earnings to get good health care, police, etc. As a plus I end up getting most of my taxes back at the end of every year.

Will you be as satisfied with the government when you actually start making a halfway decent amount of earnings and find that more than half your paycheck never makes it into your hands? When I left Canada (Ontario) fifteen years ago, I was making less than a six figure income, but more than fifty per cent of the money I earned vanished in compulsory payroll deductions. Out of what was left, I paid another fifteen per cent (8 per cent GST and 7 per cent PST) on virtually everything I bought. Much higher taxes than that on cigarettes, alcohol and gasoline, of course. Plus over $2400 a year in property taxes on my modest house.

For example you tax a guy making a million a year for %50, and that guy is still doing great. You tax a guy making $30,000 a year for %50, and now his life is alot worse.

If the government would get its nose out of every single facet of your life and restrict itself to its legitimate function of protecting its citizens (cops, courts, and military), a flat tax of 10% would be plenty to support it.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1464875 - 04/16/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, you should learn something about economics. Competition, which is only available through privitization, is the only way to increase the reliability and trustworthyness of any market (be it a healthcare or industry). What would happen if you went to a public healthcare service and then they discovered that you were a criminal, do you truly think that they would treat you equally? Whereas a private hosptal will not give a damn. Governments in general are notorious for being the most favor giving organizations alive. Oh, you donated money to (this and that) well we will be sure to give you special treatment. How oblivious can you guys be? You think that our taxes go to things we need. Ha, next time look at what governent employees get as benefits.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Phred]
    #1464879 - 04/16/03 08:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1464933 - 04/16/03 08:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Those not in the position to have kids simply should not have them. A bitch who gets walked out on obviously is not in a stable position and should not have them, if you can hardly support yourself why would you have kids. It is all in a persons ability to choose what they think is best.



So only people who go thru life without making any mistakes deserve to live? I suppose you have perfect taste in the opposite sex? You can't always tell what's going to happen next.

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I was not born poor, but I was born to a mother who was divorced within five years of my birth and three years of my brothers. My dad is a deadbeat who supports as he sees fit (no money for anything). My mother busted her ass and when she remarried, she did not need help financially. It did make things easier, but she would have provided for us by herself if she needed to.



I'm assuming she was college-educated and managed to hold down a middle-class job, am I right? Not everyone has that luxury.

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I would be a perfectly good father who taught my kids right from wrong. And they would be perfectly adapted to go out into the world and live and produce and make a living.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465086 - 04/16/03 09:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

diggity dank man: no, i think it is you who should a few things about human rights: spheres of social existence that affect a citizen's rights need to be under public control, once you privitize things like water supply, health care, welfare etc, they cease to exist as a social service, and become a profit-oriented capitalist affair. services that people need in order to live, like hospitals and clean water, should not be bastardized by those wanting to make a profit, they are human rights, not "markets". there is no reason for competition or profits in institutions like hospitals, its ridiculous. America is a prime example of privitization gone awry, they are the richest nation in the world, but dont even rank in the top twenty places to live (regarding average quality of life. in fact, in quality of life surveys done by human rescource organizations. the first american city that ranks is honolulu at number #40. America's privitization policy has only widened the gap between the rich and the poor, and now it doesnt come close to any of the socialist/capitalist countries like canada/sweden/switzerland/finland/denmark etc etc. capitalism needs to be balanced with socialism in order to have a balanced society that serves the needs of the people.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465179 - 04/16/03 10:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

People choose to pay taxes by earning income while a citizen of their country.

THe poor are punished more harshly by the justice system, have to pay prices inflated by the wealthy, while the wealthy benefit from prices lowered by the poorer masses.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465200 - 04/16/03 10:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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spheres of social existence that affect a citizen's rights need to be under public control



'Spheres of social existence?' What does that mean? Human beings are highly social animals, a very great deal of what we do involves social interactions of one form or another. Should my right to dance among others be under public control? Should my right to use chemical substances among others be under public control? Should the right to kiss my wife or children be under public control?

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once you privitize things like water supply, health care, welfare etc, they cease to exist as a social service, and become a profit-oriented capitalist affair.



Capitalism is a social activity, capitalism provides services. What's wrong with making a profit? Are you implying that all doctors, all people who work for the water company, all people who work in the welfare system should gain no profit from their activities?

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...services that people need in order to live, like hospitals and clean water, should not be bastardized by those wanting to make a profit



What does the term 'bastardized' mean?

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...they are human rights, not "markets".



Please define 'human rights,' by this I do not mean list everything that you think people shouldn't pay for. What qualifies something as a 'human right?' Why does your desire to see something as a right allow you (via the government) to force someone else to pay for it?

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there is no reason for competition or profits in institutions like hospitals, its ridiculous.



Why is it rediculous? We allow competition for profits in the production and distribution of food (an even more basic good) and it seems to work a lot better than our highly regulated and increasingly socialized medical care.

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America is a prime example of privitization gone awry



How is this so, American society and business are much more highly regulated and we have a much greater degree of socialism than 100 years ago.

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they are the richest nation in the world, but dont even rank in the top twenty places to live



You must be reading different surveys than I do. This is quite subjective. Additionally America has many varied places to live.

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America's privitization policy has only widened the gap between the rich and the poor



What 'privatization policy' are you referring to? What proof do you have that this mythical privatization policy has led to a widened gap between the rich and the poor? I have seen in my lifetime a widened gap between my earnings and what I am allowed to keep by ever increasing and ever burdensome governments.

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... capitalism needs to be balanced with socialism in order to have a balanced society that serves the needs of the people.



Capitalism does serve the needs of the people, if a business entity doesn't, it goes out of business. If a socialist enterprise is inefficient, it gets more money squeezed from the taxpayers.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1465238 - 04/16/03 10:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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If you do not wish to pay taxes, then do not make money.




I do not mind paying taxes for things that I support. I would gladly pay taxes for transportation costs such as road work and I would gladly pay for our national defense budget. I also do not mind providing funds for police, firefighters, etc. I do mind paying for the lifeless body down the street that decides because he gets welfare that he does not need to apply himself. And I do mind paying for a lifeless system of providing retirement funds especially when I know that the system will go out of existence before I can get back a single penny from them (yeah thats right, damn you social security). The government does not ask me to pay taxes, it strips me of my right to my personal earnings before I can make a decision. Well obviously "big brother" must know better than I do. I work for the government as does every single employee in America and that is wrong.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465250 - 04/16/03 10:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to tell you this, but despite the current downtrend (which was caused, imo, by the begining of socialistic trends) in the American economy, it still is the top economy in the world and will continue to be until someone discovers the true power that competition can bring. Huhmmm lets be more like Canada and France so we can have a shitty economy, too. See its comments like this that make my head hurt.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Evolving]
    #1465261 - 04/16/03 10:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

-spheres of social existence that effect a citizen's rights- by rights i mean, the right to health care, the right to water, the right of housing, basic neccessities. you dont need recreational drugs to keep yourself alive, you need water and food.

-whats wrong with making a profit? well...regarding social services, it takes the focus of helping people and shifts it to making money, and consequently it does not provide the original service. for example: privitized prisons in america. the original purpose of a prison is to detain dangerous members of society. but once privitized, its purpose is to make money, hmmmmm....

-the difference between food and health care: you dont need huge amounts of money and highly educated professionals to run a bakery. because hospitals are so expensive to run, its quite difficult to have cheap hospitals for poor people.

-check out some statistics, like public water, and see the differences before water was privitized and then after.

-bastardized: the original purpose has been shifted to suit the needs of the new controllers. example: a hospital helps sick people, then it becomes privitized--- a hospital generates profits

-we must be checking different surveys, and seeing different cities as well, because, if you compare any american city (same size) to a canadian, japanese, or western european city, odds are the american will be a much worse place to live...unless your rich, then you can live in a gated community and go to a sweet hospital and an ivy leauge university.

-privitization policy: the initiative of american state and federal government to turn public organizations into private ones. its quite obvious.

-capitalism does not serve the needs of the people, it serves the desires of a few people in control of the means of production. that is what capitalism is, check any basic economics text.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465316 - 04/16/03 11:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Answer me this: Should people who don't drive have to pay taxes for the roads?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465334 - 04/16/03 11:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465357 - 04/16/03 11:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

But they indirectly benefit from it. The goods they buy in stores are transported by trucks which use the road. So if the trucks couldn't use the roads, they might starve.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465375 - 04/16/03 11:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And that is why companies that ship goods would pay taxes. You pay for what you use.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465384 - 04/16/03 11:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

But they use it to get their food. Without the roads, they'd starve(or they'd have to grow their own food).


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465437 - 04/16/03 11:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They do not necessarily use it to get their food.
Their food is delivered to the store by highways, all part of shipping costs which are accounted for in accounting reports.  If not for the highways how would the food company ship its food to sell.  It is generally assumed that the supplier must pay for the product to reach the consumer (in this case it is a tax - part of which may or may not be passed on to the consumer).
We are both looking at the same thing just at different angles.  :grin:(you see consumer side, i see supplier) 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465438 - 04/16/03 11:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

atomikfunksoldier writes:

by rights i mean, the right to health care, the right to water, the right of housing, basic neccessities.

You have an extremely odd view of "rights". No one has the "right" to health care, water, housing, or basic necessities. Everyone has the right to pursue those goals, but no one has the right to force others to provide them to them.

well...regarding social services, it takes the focus of helping people and shifts it to making money, and consequently it does not provide the original service. for example: privitized prisons in america. the original purpose of a prison is to detain dangerous members of society. but once privitized, its purpose is to make money, hmmmmm....

So you are saying that privatized prisons do not detain dangerous members of society?

check out some statistics, like public water, and see the differences before water was privitized and then after.

If you mean that before it was privatized, my tax dollars were being used to subsidize the cost of the water my neighbor used to fill his swimming pool and water his golf course, but now I pay for what I use and only what I use, I fail to see your point.

bastardized: the original purpose has been shifted to suit the needs of the new controllers. example: a hospital helps sick people, then it becomes privitized--- a hospital generates profits

This is the same non-argument you gave about prisons. Are you claiming that private hospitals don't cure sick people?

privitization policy: the initiative of american state and federal government to turn public organizations into private ones. its quite obvious.

What is obvious is that the government had no right to seize control of those functions in the first place. Their return to the private sector is long overdue.

capitalism does not serve the needs of the people, it serves the desires of a few people in control of the means of production.

Incorrect. Note that those societies with the largest degree of Capitalism remaining to them are those societies in which the average citizen is best off.

that is what capitalism is, check any basic economics text.

I suggest you check a decent economics text. Your understanding of Capitalism is faulty.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465444 - 04/16/03 11:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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We are both looking at the same thing just at different angles. (you see consumer side, i see supplier)



And therein lies one of the fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives.  :grin:


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    #1465459 - 04/16/03 11:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

silversoul7 writes:

And therein lies one of the fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives.

Which is why both sides are so consistently wrong on so many points. A Laissez-faire Capitalist realizes that humans are both -- before one can consume, one must produce.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Phred]
    #1465469 - 04/16/03 11:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunatly, the only Laissez-Faires left are the Libertarians. Which I gladly recognize myself as. I urge every one on the shroomery boards to vote libertarian in the next election and hopefully we can get a member into congress. It truly may be the only way for our country to remain on top for the next fifty years.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Phred]
    #1465470 - 04/16/03 11:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And a pragmatist realizes that there is a conflict of interest between the producers and the consumers.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465473 - 04/16/03 11:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

pinksharkmeat: Incorrect. Note that those societies with the largest degree of Capitalism remaining to them are those societies in which the average citizen is best off.

hmmm? thats completely incorrect my friend. america definitly has the highest degree of capitalist activity, and Americans are in no way better off than the danish, canadians, japanese, swedish, swiss, etc etc. in fact, they are far worse off because their country is fuckd'!

suggest you check a decent economics text. Your understanding of Capitalism is faulty.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465485 - 04/16/03 11:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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-spheres of social existence that effect a citizen's rights- by rights i mean, the right to health care, the right to water, the right of housing, basic neccessities.



How do you define a right?  Why should your desire to have something paid for be a claim on my efforts and the product of my efforts (my income)?

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-whats wrong with making a profit? well...regarding social services, it takes the focus of helping people and shifts it to making money, and consequently it does not provide the original service.



Huh?  If you're in business to provide a service and you stop providing that service, you will lose business.  If you're a government agency set up to provide a service and you do a shoddy job at providing that service, the taxpayers get stuck with higher bills and more money gets thrown at you.

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for example: privitized prisons in america. the original purpose of a prison is to detain dangerous members of society. but once privitized, its purpose is to make money, hmmmmm....



And prisons are a right akin to free health care?

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-the difference between food and health care: you dont need huge amounts of money and highly educated professionals to run a bakery. because hospitals are so expensive to run, its quite difficult to have cheap hospitals for poor people.



You think government run hospitals are more economical?  The cost are merely transfered so individuals don't know the true cost of what they are paying for.  Government run health systems are more likely to ration their services and put people on waiting lists for badly needed operations.

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-check out some statistics, like public water, and see the differences before water was privitized and then after.



What kind of statistics?

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-bastardized: the original purpose has been shifted to suit the needs of the new controllers. example: a hospital helps sick people, then it becomes privitized--- a hospital generates profits



If a hospital ceases to help sick people how can it generate a profit?  Do you think doctors should not get paid as well?  We don't want them to make a profit do we?

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-we must be checking different surveys, and seeing different cities as well, because, if you compare any american city (same size) to a canadian, japanese, or western european city, odds are the american will be a much worse place to live...unless your rich, then you can live in a gated community and go to a sweet hospital and an ivy leauge university.



Again, VERY SUBJECTIVE.  Some people don't like big cities, some people don't like gated communities and still live a very nice life style (me, for one  :tongue:).  America is extremely diverse in areas in which to live.  The size of a city is only one factor to make a comparison.  Were they compared for geography, for climate, for racial diversity, for winter sports, for summer sports, for nightlife, for a sedate and retiring lifestyle, for proximity to wilderness, for gay communities, for seniors?  Who chose the cities and what city in the U.S. was compared with what city in Europe?  Where do you get this idea that unless you're rich chances are that you will be living in a much worse place in America?

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-privitization policy: the initiative of american state and federal government to turn public organizations into private ones. its quite obvious.



I know what the term privatization policy means, stating 'it's quite obvious' does not make it so.  A quick and simple examination of the percentage of income diverted to governments over the course of the twentieth century shows quite the opposite.  Do you have anything which would show the general trend of governments in the U.S. is to grow smaller?

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-capitalism does not serve the needs of the people, it serves the desires of a few people in control of the means of production. that is what capitalism is



WRONG!  If there are no people to buy a product or service (meaning people whos desires or needs are being served), a business will go under.  A business cannot survive without providing something of value to it's customers.  'The people' is not some monolithic amorphous mass, but billions of individuals with individual needs and individual desires, and individual plans.  There are not a few people in control of the means of production but millions of businesses serving many diverse customers with many diverse needs.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465516 - 04/16/03 11:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Americans are in no way better off than the danish, canadians, japanese, swedish, swiss, etc etc. in fact, they are far worse off because their country is fuckd'!



I guess if by better off, you mean having less disposable income, more onerous regulation of economic activity, smaller homes, more expensive goods, higher unemployment and rationed health care I guess you're right.

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definition of capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned.



That's not the same as what you stated earlier...
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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1465517 - 04/16/03 11:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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hmmm? thats completely incorrect my friend. america definitly has the highest degree of capitalist activity, and Americans are in no way better off than the danish, canadians, japanese, swedish, swiss, etc etc. in fact, they are far worse off because their country is fuckd'!





Hey look at this website
GDP per capita
This is how much on average each citizen makes. See how the US is second. That means that our citizens make the second most next to the "Luxembergians"

Oh yeah almost forgot, since we have relatively low tax rates compared to you socialistic countries we get to keep more of our money.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1465542 - 04/16/03 11:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yay for the Dominican Republic! We are smack dab in the middle of the list of those for whom figures are available -- 72 out of 143, at $5,000 per head.

Our goal is to next year be number 69.

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Phred]
    #1465664 - 04/17/03 12:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Will you be as satisfied with the government when you actually start making a halfway decent amount of earnings and find that more than half your paycheck never makes it into your hands?




Although I've never been in this position, I predict I'd be satisfied making more money, I would be better off overall than I am now. I would still be getting the same services from the government, while having more money. I don't enjoy earning a low income, its not like I am sitting here scheming to live off the government, no I am grateful for the fact that I can still have a decent life because of the taxes paid by the rich. I would rather be one of the rich people, maybe some day I will be, and it wont be for lack of effort.

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When I left Canada (Ontario) fifteen years ago, I was making less than a six figure income, but more than fifty per cent of the money I earned vanished in compulsory payroll deductions. Out of what was left, I paid another fifteen per cent (8 per cent GST and 7 per cent PST) on virtually everything I bought. Much higher taxes than that on cigarettes, alcohol and gasoline, of course. Plus over $2400 a year in property taxes on my modest house.




Do you have a better life now in the Dominican Republic? I realize Canada isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good. Your complaints are valid but they are not of a life-and-death nature.

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If the government would get its nose out of every single facet of your life and restrict itself to its legitimate function of protecting its citizens (cops, courts, and military), a flat tax of 10% would be plenty to support it.





Agreed. I think the government should have a larger role than security, at least until, an infrastructure can be built and proven to sustain the population. For example basic healthcare and welfare.

Otherwise if your proposed government gets too rich off taxes, then it will turn into a bloated military police state. The extra funds are better used for improving quality of life in the country.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1465685 - 04/17/03 12:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Do any of you people who like all of the social programs stop to consider that they are making the population more and more dependent on the government?


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    #1465700 - 04/17/03 12:41 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

As opposed to what? Dying of starvation? Or maybe being dependent on the charity of Religious organizations(organized religion, IMO is just as bad as the government)?


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    #1465707 - 04/17/03 12:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

How about taking care of yourself and being responsible for your own well being.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465709 - 04/17/03 12:44 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Organized religion is almost worse than government. Maybe some people should learn how to be self reliant. It is not hard to get yourself a gun and go hunt or fish.


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    #1465717 - 04/17/03 12:46 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Organized religion is almost worse than government. Maybe some people should learn how to be self reliant. It is not hard to get yourself a gun and go hunt or fish.



It wouldn't be hard for someone who doesn't live in the city(which.most poor people do).


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465723 - 04/17/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They can always move. They could get a much nicer place to stay with less crime if they leave the city.


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    #1465724 - 04/17/03 12:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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They can always move. They could get a much nicer place to stay with less crime if they leave the city.



Not to mention fewer jobs.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465733 - 04/17/03 12:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And fewer people to fill those jobs. There are plenty of jobs in the suburbs and small towns. Especially those that are growing.


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    #1465744 - 04/17/03 12:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

True, but most poor people don't have the money to afford suburban housing(which usually ranges from middle-class to upper-middle class)


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1465745 - 04/17/03 12:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

pattern asks:

Do you have a better life now in the Dominican Republic?

Yes.

Your complaints are valid but they are not of a life-and-death nature.

No? I know two people personally and have heard of several others (one was all over the Canadian newspapers about a year and a half ago) who would have died if they hadn't been able to raise enough money to get medical care in the US or (in one case) Germany. The Canadian socialized medical system is unable to provide proper health care for Canadians -- that's a fact, not just my opinion. As a Canadian, you must surely have read how bad it is -- there are articles in the papers and magazines virtually every week.

Because of the amount of tax money taken from this one woman I know, she had to borrow from friends and family to get the money to fly to Germany. She will be paying it off for years. And, of course, the Canadian government won't cover her costs, even though it actually cost less for her to have it done in Germany than the Canadian government would have had to pay to have it done in Canada -- if they could have done it before she died, which they couldn't, which is why she flew to Germany in the first place.

Otherwise if your proposed government gets too rich off taxes, then it will turn into a bloated military police state.

I didn't make myself clear. If it takes less than 10% from each taxpayer to run the essential services, then they reduce the rate to 9% or 7.5% or whatever. There is never a situation where there are "extra funds".

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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: silversoul7]
    #1465748 - 04/17/03 12:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It is cheaper than city housing unless it is rent controlled or an absolute shithole.


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    #1465813 - 04/17/03 01:09 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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It is cheaper than city housing unless it is rent controlled or an absolute shithole.



I find that hard to believe, but whatever.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Phred]
    #1465862 - 04/17/03 01:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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No? I know two people personally and have heard of several others (one was all over the Canadian newspapers about a year and a half ago) who would have died if they hadn't been able to raise enough money to get medical care in the US or (in one case) Germany. The Canadian socialized medical system is unable to provide proper health care for Canadians -- that's a fact, not just my opinion. As a Canadian, you must surely have read how bad it is -- there are articles in the papers and magazines virtually every week.





The healthcare system in Canada can't provide free access to extremely expensive operations, etc.  I dont think we should expect it to either.  A guy who got shot versus a lady dying of rare cancer... well the guy who gets shot needs standard emergency treatment but the cancer patient is beyond reasonable hope of saving. 

Healthcare works great for low-cost medical treatments.  On the other hand these people you mention would have been in the same situation if they werent in Canada, they would have had to pay for it in the US/Germany anyways, maybe they had too much faith in the system.  It is what it is, flaws and all, but overall its a good system. 

From what I understand tho, Canada doesnt allow private medical companies to compete with the socialized program... they should both exist at the same time.  If you need some high-class treatment and you can pay for it then there is no reason to deny people the right to that treatment.

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Because of the amount of tax money taken from this one woman I know, she had to borrow from friends and family to get the money to fly to Germany. She will be paying it off for years. And, of course, the Canadian government won't cover her costs, even though it actually cost less for her to have it done in Germany than the Canadian government would have had to pay to have it done in Canada -- if they could have done it before she died, which they couldn't, which is why she flew to Germany in the first place.





How old is this woman and what was her condition? 

Rant: Im sick of all these people trying to be immortal, with bad diets and no exercise, and then whining about their bad health... Everyone is gonna die.  Shit I wont be waiting around for ten organ replacements when I'm 60, I'll be driving my car off a cliff in a blaze of glory after cops are chasing me from a botched bank robbery.  Know what I mean?  but I'm too tired to argue anymore.  Good night.  :cool: 


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    #1465866 - 04/17/03 01:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

no, by better off i mean, they have less governmental corruption, less pollution, less crime, better social services etc etc


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    #1465869 - 04/17/03 01:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The healthcare system in Canada can't provide free access to extremely expensive operations, etc. I dont think we should expect it to either. A guy who got shot versus a lady dying of rare cancer... well the guy who gets shot needs standard emergency treatment but the cancer patient is beyond reasonable hope of saving.

But that is what it promises. If this is the case then the people still neeed health insurance to make sure they can get any treatment they need. If they still need insurance then what is the point of having the socialized healthcare?


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    #1467351 - 04/17/03 03:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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complete with private health insurance, and possibly no minimum wage. 




What?!?!?! are you serious???? They want to be capitalists???? foooooorrrr shame!!  :grin: 


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    #1467853 - 04/17/03 06:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Brilliant...just brilliant...
did you major in philosophy? or history? 



I would have thought you could recognize humor without a smiley face.

Guess not.

I'd say the same about Rono but it's not necessary.  :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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