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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province
    #1462889 - 04/16/03 04:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Alberta is by far the most right-wing place in Canada. It also happens to have a huge chunk of Canada's total fossil fuel resources. This mix is fueling a seperatist movement within the province.

Unlike Quebec, whose seperatist movement is in a large part founded on history, language, culture and other respectable things, Alberta's is founded on, as far as I can figure out, the fact that if it was alone, it's ruling class would be richer off.

It's not enough for Alberta that it got to keep the lion's share of it's resource revenue, rather than share it's good fortaune with it's nation (Ottawa collects far less than Edmonton in oil&gas revenue) No. They want it all. These seperatists want to enbark on a far-right wing economic agenda, complete with private health insurance, and possibly no minimum wage. (it's already got a flat tax)

Thanks to Alberta's far-right economic policies, it suffers from high inequality, with a lot of working-poor people. Alberta's finance minister scoff's at the notion of a livable minimum wage, saying we must wait for the market to acomplish that. What a joke. In Canada's richest province, there's a big poverty problem. Alberta's premier got drunk one night a few years ago and, late at night, barged into a shelter for the poor, scolding them for their condition!!!

Anyway's, here's the latest annoying piece of news about Alberta...




The province of Alberta is ready to consider putting up barriers around its money and political authority to keep Ottawa out, Premier Ralph Klein said on Tuesday.





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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1462904 - 04/16/03 05:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

alberta sucks.

there was a peace ralley downtown there a month ago, and the police had to escort the demonstrators away because people driving by were throwing rocks at them.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463287 - 04/16/03 11:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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These seperatists want to enbark on a far-right wing economic agenda, complete with private health insurance, and possibly no minimum wage. (it's already got a flat tax)




What is so wrong with that.  Privitazation will only increase competition which will lower prices.  I hope you think this is a good thing. :smirk:
No minimum wage is probably one of the best ideas, because it will ensure that the job industry does not start trailing the regular industry (as is the case currenty in the US).  This will result in mass unemployement due to cheaper mechanized labor and not to mention since it has never had a minimum wage a good deal of inflation at the implementation of such a policy.  I may just have to move there it sounds like my dream country. :grin: 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463300 - 04/16/03 11:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds to me like Alberta is heading in a good direction.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1463309 - 04/16/03 11:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nah just a bunch of rich oil barons want to pay no taxes.  Of course us regular folks would never trust them to run a country.  We had the opportunity to pay off all of our debt about two years ago.  Maybe we could have separated if that happened, but the separatist movement has NO steam.  Its a joke.

On the other hand Alberta is the most likely Canadian province to become an American state.  But there is also a strong sentiment here for legalizing marijuana.

You are right about the inequalities here.  There are alot of millionaires in this city and I have even driven around in one of their expensive cars.  :smile:  Its not as bad as you make it out to be though, the average joe is still paid a decent wage. 

My advice for Albertans: don't vote for the Canadian Alliance!  :grin:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1463334 - 04/16/03 11:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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there was a peace ralley downtown there a month ago, and the police had to escort the demonstrators away because people driving by were throwing rocks at them.




You are talking about Calgary right? I was there, but I didnt see that. There was alot of shouting and shoving between the Prowar and Antiwar groups. I jumped in between them and diffused the situation, and then the camera crews rushed over to cover it but they were too late. It was alot of fun, I was tripping too. At the end of the rally there were people jumping in front of the CTrain, blocking traffic, banging on traffic lights with sticks, and other general stupidity.

There is news coverage here:
http://calgary.a-channel.com/news_story.php?id=1434&LargeMovie=111


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463398 - 04/16/03 12:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

As someone that has actually lived in Alberta my entire life I have an inside view of how people here think.

You have to keep in mind that Alberta supports Canada financially more so than any other province, yet we have next to no say politically...and get the shaft often from the powers that be in parliament. Until the GST was introduced Alberta was tax free.

Also the NEP from years back in effect devastated the Alberta economy...many people lost their jobs and homes etc....so there is still a lingering resentment.

We are Canadas richest province without a doubt, but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound, there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.

It's not that Alberta wants to separate from Canada...because the vast majority don't. We just want more say in Ottawa...I don't think that's unreasonable considering we are footing the bill for the majority of the Eastern Provinces.



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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463639 - 04/16/03 01:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That and the gun registry. Alberta is paying for this crappy system... and most Albertans don't want or need it. My beef is that we have to abide by some stupid federal laws, laws that might be a good idea out East but not necessarily out West. It would be better if there were less federal laws legislating morality like the Drug Control Act, Gun Registry, etc. IMO these are some of the same problems with the American Federal gov.

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We are Canadas richest province without a doubt, but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound, there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.





Very true... just look in the Calgary Herald, there are TONS of jobs here. Plus if you get into the construction/oil business you can easily end up makin big cash. Don't try to get into computers in Alberta tho... ugh


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463661 - 04/16/03 01:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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but the poverty problem isn't as bad as you make it sound



It's not as bad as the naysayers make it out to be here in the US either.

We (sadly) have the best fed and fatest poor people on the planet.



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We just want more say in Ottawa...I don't think that's unreasonable considering we are footing the bill for the majority of the Eastern Provinces.



And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1463723 - 04/16/03 02:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Alberta's premier got drunk one night a few years ago and, late at night, barged into a shelter for the poor, scolding them for their condition!!!





Why didn't they kick the shit out of him?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1463731 - 04/16/03 02:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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there are plenty of jobs available to those that want to work.





So that's where our jobs went.

Damn snow Mexicans.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464069 - 04/16/03 04:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say. 




Brilliant...just brilliant...
did you major in philosophy? or history? :wink:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464075 - 04/16/03 04:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.




I'm not saying that Alberta should have the most say, because I don't think it should. I do however believe that it should at least have equal say and representation.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: Rono]
    #1464102 - 04/16/03 04:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

doesn't it though? I mean.. there are way more seats to be won in the east because there are so many more people...


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1464111 - 04/16/03 04:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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  And since the rich pay FAR more than their fair share of taxes here, they should also have the most say.




Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I disagree.  All the rich want is to pay less taxes.  I've got no sympathy for them.  If the worst thing that happens to rich people is they lose 5 out of 10 million dollars, then they are still living the best life possible.  The uber rich are always in the minority and therefore the masses vote to keep their taxes high, the way it should be!  :grin: 


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464339 - 04/16/03 05:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So theft is ok then?


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464343 - 04/16/03 05:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Depends if you define taxation as theft. I dont.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: z@z.com]
    #1464350 - 04/16/03 05:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

no. rapeing and pilaging is! :grin:

How did you get to that conclusion? :confused:


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464361 - 04/16/03 05:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone considered how the rich get that way. It is because they work harder and use every ounce of intellect that they were born with. The rich that are born into money quickly loose their source as they can not compete with more successful business entreprenuers (this process would be far more efficent without government intervention as the gov'y normally decides who gets tax breaks and business wise it always seems to be failures). They do not want to pay more taxes than John Doe who works at the burger joint simply because they do not deserve to get punished for their success and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way, in fact I think every one should have some sense of selfishness. The rich are the best sources for reinvestment and yet the government takes their money away to provide for the people who decide not to try in life. The rich should either haved more say or they should pay less in taxes. When will someone see that the governments of this world are the largest and most untrustworthy thiefs, yet.


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Re: Alberta is Canada's delinquent punk of a province [Re: pattern]
    #1464383 - 04/16/03 05:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I do define excessive taxation (especially when one group is taxed more than anotehr) and wealth redistribution (ie welfare) as theft.


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